Ford readies diesel as turbo dies of thirst

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Man it would want to be better than that. My new Prado Turbo Diesel returns around 8.1 l / 100 COMBINED and down as low at 7.1 on open roads cruising. And thats full time 4wd! The new Territory would at least want to match that with a 6 speed auto or their wasting their time.

His talking about the petrol engine with those figures

[Luke Plaizier]

Notice how the Drivel article subject line has changed?

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...716-10d7l.html

The 'readies diesel' bit probably sounded too positive. They needed a more cutting expose on how Ford is dying by culling models, and being overtaken by Hyundai.......



Lukeyson

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

His talking about the petrol engine with those figures

My bad!

Apologies

Anyone have any projected figures on the 2.7 L Diesel?

[JPFS1]

XWGT... refer to your first post...

[vztrt]

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257765002AEC48

V8 doesn’t go with the Territory

Ford will not replace discontinued Territory Turbo with a supercharged V8 next year

19 July 2010

By MARTON PETTENDY

FORD’S discontinued Territory Turbo will not be replaced by a performance-leading supercharged V8 model when Australia’s homegrown SUV is upgraded early next year.

Before it was axed as a result of tighter new Euro 4 emissions regulations that came into force on July 1, the Turbo Ghia topped the Territory range at $66,820.

Now, however, the turbocharged crossover wagon, which joined the Territory line-up two years after its 2004 launch in 2006, has met the same fate as FPV’s slow-selling version, the short-lived F6X.

Effectively representing a reversal of the scenario in which Ford developed a turbo-petrol variant of the Territory instead of a turbo-diesel, Ford has now confirmed there will be no replacement for the range-topping Territory Turbo when the facelifted model is released next year.

Instead, as it has already confirmed, Ford Australia will fit a European-sourced 2.7-litre turbo-diesel V6 from Land Rover’s Discovery in the upgraded 2011 Territory, which will also receive major interior and exterior revisions for the first time next year.

Ford has also announced that an all-new ‘Coyote’ V8 will represent a belated replacement for the discontinued 5.4-litre Boss V8 that powered XR8 and FPV models.

Ford2011 Territory center imageAs we’ve reported, GoAuto has learned the new supercharged 5.0-litre V8, which is yet to emerge in Australia, will be available in three states of tune: an entry-level version delivering 315kW in the upcoming 2010 XR8, a 335kW version for FPV and, perhaps, a circa-400kW variation for next year’s return of the hotly anticipated GT-HO nameplate.

However, Ford has now confirmed its locally developed blown V8 will not grace the Territory engine bay, leaving the V6 diesel to fly the SUV’s performance flag.

“The addition of the turbo-diesel engine for Territory next year will complement the current I6,” said Ford spokeswoman Sinead McAlary. “We have no current plans for any other powertrain.

“Our engineering resources are concentrating on delivering the diesel engine for Territory next year, which we think will attract more customers to the Territory brand.”

While the heavier Territory diesel may not match the 2145kg Territory Turbo’s seven-second 0-100km/h acceleration, it is sure to better its average (premium unleaded) fuel consumption of 14.2L/100km.

The outgoing Territory Turbo offered 245kW/480Nm – well up on the standard Territory’s 4.0-litre inline petrol six, which delivers 190kW/383Nm and returns as little as 11.6L/100km in rear-drive guise.

Details of the 2011 Territory diesel are yet to be announced, but in the 2010 Discovery 4 TDV6 S, the same engine produces 140kW and 440Nm of torque, returns 10.2L/100km and propels the 2486kg Disco to 100km/h in 12.7 seconds.

Of course, the Discovery’s newer 3.0-litre twin-turbo diesel engine offers even more performance at 180kW/600Nm – enough to accelerate the 2583kg Discovery TDV6 SE and HSE to 100km/h in 9.6 seconds while being able to return 9.3L/100km.

The belated availability of diesel power is expected to provide the Territory, which received a mild makeover in February, with a significant shot in the arm in terms of sales.

So far this year Ford’s once-dominant medium SUV has been comprehensively outsold by Holden’s Captiva and Toyota’s top-selling Prado. About half of all Captivas sold are diesels, while oil-burning engines power up to 80 per cent of Prado sales.

Next year’s release of the upgraded Territory and Territory diesel, plus 2.0-litre four-cylinder EcoBoost turbo-petrol and next-generation liquid-injection LPG engines for the Falcon, will be bookended by better-value, Thailand-sourced Fiesta and Focus models later this year and in 2012 respectively.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by vztrt

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257765002AEC48

V8 doesn’t go with the Territory

That is a shame, mainly because one was on my shopping list for early next year.

I'll have to start holding my breath for a G8E again.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Will the diesel Territory have any external distinguishing features such as hood scoop? Or will it just be a little badge? Cant wait to see some spy photos.

No it won't. Mules i've seen seem to have a small intercooler behind the front bar.

You'd have to assume they would fit turbo diesel badges to differentiate them.

[holland_ford]

Diesel charts new territory STEPHEN OTTLEY.
July 16, 2010


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The new Ford Territory.

This is the first look at the new Ford Territory. Snapped while testing at Ford's proving ground in the You Yangs, Victoria, the new model is due in showrooms next year and will debut a diesel engine.

Ford announced plans to fit a Jaguar-sourced 2.7-litre V6 turbo-diesel in the Territory in July last year. Although now replaced in the Jaguar XF by a 3.0-litre diesel, the 2.7-litre unit should be good for more than 150kW and 435Nm.

That compares with 190kW/383Nm for the current straight-six petrol engine and 245kW/480Nm for the turbo-petrol version.

Fuel economy should improve, with claims the diesel could use less than 8 litres per 100 kilometres; the best the current petrol engines can manage is 11.6L/100km.

The Territory had a barely noticeable makeover in February last year but, judging by the front-end camouflage, this promises to be more substantial.

pictures available on drive .com.au

[holland_ford]

Cant Wait To See These Up And Selling

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

No it won't. Mules i've seen seem to have a small intercooler behind the front bar.

You'd have to assume they would fit turbo diesel badges to differentiate them.

Why would they have to differentiate them?

If anything, they should be badged the same - TX, TS, Ghia and Titanium.

[vztrt]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11302959

[DJM83]

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[Bossxr8]

Yes, its more than likely the diesel will be an option on each model, but they would want to have a small turbo diesel sticker or badge to identify them, just like an XR6 Turbo or TTG have.

Highly unlikely the diesel will be a seperate model.

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by mcnews

I am guessing that it will be a lot more than 4k. Three year life cycle for the model, good sales will realise 20,000 cars produced per annum so 60,000 all up. One would imagine the cost of buying the engine, the engineering to install it etc., test it, cure problems, tooling investments, front end underpinning changes etc. etc. That would cost how much?

That is the same for all brands (cost of this & cost of that) to bring a new engine into a model but you dont see most of the others putting a large premium on a diesel option.

In fact at times the same model in a diesel vs a petrol engine is cheaper.

You dont have to look far to see this fact, just pick up a wheels mag & compare the prices in the back.

So given this would Ford remain competative if they stick a huge premium on a diesel engine option?

So in other words would they sell many, is better to sell more vehicles at a smaller profit than not many at a large profit.

What matters at the end of the day is total profit from all vehicles at the end of the year.

[Gaz]

Charged 5.0 in the Terror... yes please :-)

That's a pretty massive jump in torque between the old 2.7 and the new 3.0.

[want-a-XY]

i really hope that ford aus launch a falcon diesel in 2011! pity polites plans for the diesel terry were put on hold for so long too

[chevypower]

"Jaguar-sourced" is not correct. Ford builds these engines.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

"Jaguar-sourced" is not correct. Ford builds these engines.

Correct and the engine was co developed by Ford and Peugeot ,<- appearing in their FWD vehicles too.

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by want-a-XY

i really hope that ford aus launch a falcon diesel in 2011! pity polites plans for the diesel terry were put on hold for so long too

Yes it would be a good move though the 2.7L would only attract people after economy & not so concerned about performance which would rule out many who would choose a Ford.

The 3L would attract economy minded people but also people who like a vehicle to have decent performance as you only have to look at the XF Jag diesel as an example.

3L with its 600 Nm would interest me but the 2.7 would not to be honest.

XR6 3L Diesel