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Old 24-08-2010, 12:42 PM   #1
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Default Holden/HSV swapping engines ... again.
Found on the interweb that Holden and in particular HSV will be going to the GM LS4 which is a direct injection V8.

From all that I have read it will be in the E Series before the end of its life.

I'd be pretty ****ed if I just shelled out $90,000+ on an E2 GTS only to have it drop significantly in value when the new motor comes out.

Holden and HSV love changing. Way too often. Kills resale values.
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Old 24-08-2010, 12:57 PM   #2
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The LS4 is considerably less powerful then the current engine.

Unless they supercharge it or completely redevelop the engine I don't see it happening.

Besides, the LS4 is designed for FWD applications.
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Old 24-08-2010, 12:59 PM   #3
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Found on the interweb that Holden and in particular HSV will be going to the GM LS4 which is a direct injection V8.

From all that I have read it will be in the E Series before the end of its life.

I'd be pretty ****ed if I just shelled out $90,000+ on an E2 GTS only to have it drop significantly in value when the new motor comes out.

Holden and HSV love changing. Way too often. Kills resale values.
how is it any different to buying an FG GT only for the engine to be overshadowed by the release of the coyote?
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:05 PM   #4
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Because FPV don't change their engine every second year.
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:09 PM   #5
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But who sells more cars?

Whether they are in the same boat as Holden with respect to profitability I dont know.
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:09 PM   #6
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I don't agree with Holden / Hsv's stance on bigger motors every update. Supercharging and turbo charging take a smaller motor and make it more efficient / free revving. The euros have known this for years, we in oz are just starting to catch on. Holden should bring back the 304 and BLOW it.........!
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:11 PM   #7
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The LS4 is considerably less powerful then the current engine.

Unless they supercharge it or completely redevelop the engine I don't see it happening.

Besides, the LS4 is designed for FWD applications.
224kw and 438 Nm 5.3ltr as you say built for FWD.

This new engine might be DI and Forced but I cannot see it being an LS4 unless its re-resigned for RWD.
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:14 PM   #8
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how is it any different to buying an FG GT only for the engine to be overshadowed by the release of the coyote?
It isn't. It's just HSV which gives everyone the right to bag them apparently.
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:18 PM   #9
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It isn't. It's just HSV which gives everyone the right to bag them apparently.
Lol and how long have we had the current Boss Motors since? early 2003 with little to no change up until late 2007 / 2008.

HSV chop and change stuff all the time, the E2 HSV is just coming up for its first birthday and the E3 will be available.
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:21 PM   #10
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Every industry upgrades its products, it's called progress. If you go into a purchase without realising what you just bought will be updated very shortly then you sir live under a rock.

You would hate to be in the IT industry...
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:21 PM   #11
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Dammed if you do dammed if you dont.

Upgrade cars and people complain. Dont upgrade cars and people complain.

Hard to please everyone.
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Old 24-08-2010, 01:33 PM   #12
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Found on the interweb that Holden and in particular HSV will be going to the GM LS4 which is a direct injection V8.

From all that I have read it will be in the E Series before the end of its life.

I'd be pretty ****ed if I just shelled out $90,000+ on an E2 GTS only to have it drop significantly in value when the new motor comes out.

Holden and HSV love changing. Way too often. Kills resale values.
i think you'll find the holden/hsv will be using L99/LSA respectivly.
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Old 24-08-2010, 02:46 PM   #13
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Come on ... we need a list of the best engine from FPV and HSV each year over the last 10 years to settle this ... someone ... ?
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Old 24-08-2010, 02:52 PM   #14
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Dammed if you do dammed if you dont.

Upgrade cars and people complain. Dont upgrade cars and people complain.

Hard to please everyone.
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How dare Holden updated their engine on a regular bases!!
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Old 24-08-2010, 02:58 PM   #15
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Personally I'd like to see a source of the quoted 'information'
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Old 24-08-2010, 04:00 PM   #16
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Come on ... we need a list of the best engine from FPV and HSV each year over the last 10 years to settle this ... someone ... ?
Holden:
LS1
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LS4 - soon maybe?? according to this thread
LS7
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edit: Sorry I just reread the post.... best engine.... from HSV... umm none... if I have to pick then the LS7
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Old 24-08-2010, 04:13 PM   #17
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The Coyote is overdue by about 2 years, it should have been in the FG from the start. (imo)
If Ford/FPV came out with a new (better than the previous) V8 as often as Holden/HSV does, would anyone be complaining? We would be on the Coyotes successor now.
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Old 24-08-2010, 04:22 PM   #18
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Is this a Coyote thread or HSV engine thread, Coyote has a dedicated area for discussions....
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Because FPV don't change their engine every second year.
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[QUOTE=Road_Warrior]Personally I'd like to see a source of the quoted 'information'[/QUOTE




You guys are right... It is a small motor for FWD. 226kW would be a BIG downgrade...

I checked the info again and found a few other sources. Silly me. I'll crawl back under my rock now!!!
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I don't agree with Holden / Hsv's stance on bigger motors every update. Supercharging and turbo charging take a smaller motor and make it more efficient / free revving. The euros have known this for years, we in oz are just starting to catch on. Holden should bring back the 304 and BLOW it.........!
That comes down to economy and packaging really. Nobody can argue that if you had the choice for the same power and torque curves between N/A and blown the N/A would always be first choice. N/A and cubes still can't be beat really for the overall experience.
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You guys are right... It is a small motor for FWD. 226kW would be a BIG downgrade...

I checked the info again and found a few other sources. Silly me. I'll crawl back under my rock now!!!
Well, it may not be so silly, for the NEXT generation Commodore. I don't think they can realistically soldier on with Zeta because it is too big and heavy and going by the rumourmongering here and there about the next gen moving to a smaller (Alpha?) platform, the smaller V8 would make more sense.
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This may be more correct.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...ock/index.html

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If people are so bothered by these upgrades, the answer is simple. Don't buy a new car............ Ever.
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