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I have driven mainly large cars, mostly RWD and acouple of FWD. Drove a rental Toyota Aurion in the rain from Carnarvon to Perth and it was the most uncomfortable I have ever felt when driving a car bar being a learner. I believe as its already been said, FWD in large cars is for many reasons but none of them are about performance. Toyota is a perfect example of this.
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Just out of interest, regarding the quoted comment above, Ford did test AWD configurations on the Focus RS test mule around the ring. The reason they stuck with FWD is because the AWD setup was NO FASTER around the track than the the FWD.... Fair enough if you prefer RWD, I'm cool with that, and obviously it is the preferred format in motor racing (and NO, not all racing cars are RWD), but seriously some of the ignorant bogan comments I've read here just make some of you guys look silly. And that's probably a good reason why I've been a member here since 2008, but haven't posted until this week. |
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Just out of interest, regarding the quoted comment above, Ford did test AWD configurations on the Focus RS test mule around the ring. The reason they stuck with FWD is because the AWD setup was NO FASTER around the track than the the FWD....
They obviously did not teat in the wet then did they , and it's not just about a lap time but the driving experience , you would step out of the AWD car a lot more relaxed than the FWD . Fair enough if you prefer RWD, I'm cool with that, and obviously it is the preferred format in motor racing (and NO, not all racing cars are RWD), but seriously some of the ignorant bogan comments I've read here just make some of you guys look silly. Care to back that statement up by giving us a few examples . |
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[QUOTE=WILDB]I'm 208cm and I've driven and have been a passenger in Mondeos and find them to be roomier in terms of head and legroom than my FG Falcon and a BA I used to own.
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Cheap yeah eh? I could have purchased a new XR6T when i bought my 5, why did i buy the 5? Better all round car and better built, not a one trick pony. Mate id love to see the aforementioned car keep up on a mountain pass. At a recent track day a mate had his 5 there, it monstered an $85k HDT commodore around Lakeside, he also had numerous RWD owners approach him asking how could, brake later, get on the power soon and maintain a higher mid corner speed. Ive owned many a RWD car (All were besides the 5) and i can see the benefits of RWD, but dont write off a FWD because you are clearly sticking with the stigmata the all FWD is rubbish, ignorant. EDIT- can we keep the RS out of this thanks
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Hahahaha I am finding this all very amusing lets put some money where the mouths are hey I would like to see some of you guys out at the next lakeside track day in street trim just like me and see who comes out on top. Just so you all know the video posted earlier in this thread was me. The person DJM mentioned a few posts back was me. Lets take it to the track...
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Hey Dallas , compared to the TE/TS ? you had ,is the XR5 a lot better handling wise ?
My TE50 1 , to date ,probably is the best handling car I have had. I could not get it to step out without a power slide ,and definitely no understeer.
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for the record, yeah i have been in an XR8 when i did an advanced driving course. i've also owned a commodore V8 in the past. in fact of the 21 cars i've ever had, about half were RWD and one a AWD. my comments re: the 8 & 4 were in response to Glavas' continued claims that a small FWD 4 cyl could not be fun. I will state again, i would back my XR4 against an Xr8 in a run up a winding mountain pass. if you've ever driven spiritedly up some mountain twisties, you'll know just how much fun that is. there's no doubt the 8 would eat the 4 on a track, but you could be damn sure the 4 driver would still be having fun. although somewhere like the driver training track at Marulan in NSW, i don't think there'd be a hell of a difference. if you want evidence of how good some FWD's have become, take a look at the video i posted earlier in this thread. it shows a mate's moderately modded XR5 on a track day at Lakeside on the gold coast. in the vid he easily takes a VL Brock Director V8 and then later is overtaken by an ex-V8 supercar but after being blasted on the straight, holds his own through the next series of corners (supposedly where torquesteer is an issue) before being blasted on the next decent straight... he was running 1:06. craig lowndes was running 1:01 on the same track in his group a "supercar" in '96 a year or two before they stopped racing there... the major problem is RWD guys are prejudiced against the "bum draggers" and refuse to admit how good they have become compared to the old days... again like i said before, it's a bit like ![]()
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BTW here are the time sheets from my track day and a pic of my car so you can see that the number on the time sheet matches the car. While it maybe be unfair to compare me to commonwhores as they are a piece of rubbish at the best of times you will note that in my group there was 1 other FWD and he was just a fraction slower than I was. He had a qauife I did not. The only car that was quicker than me in the group was an EX- V8 supercar. On the whole day I looked at the time sheets of other groups and out of about 30 cars there was maybe 5 or 6 cars quicker than I was and they were all race preped cars. Considering I was in street trim I think the FWD held it's own pretty damn well.
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Everyone stop your **** ********. No gives a **** about your XR5T. It is NOT a large FWD car. This thread is meant to be about fwd vs. rwd in the sedan market.
"errdy gerdy ma xr5t is quicka har har you losars wit ur bogan ancient rwd lololol" Tools.
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There is a lot of self bloated arrogance going on in this thread. The mods need to do their job here instead of getting up people for the smallest insignificant crap. ![]() Reminder: the thread title is "FWD in Large cars?" Quote:
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Other responded to your blanket statement in terms of FWD in a whole range of applications (large sedan, hatch back, medium sedan, performance, etc). The XR5T focus is just one of them. There is nothing wrong with what is being discussed. The only issue is the level of maturity shown by some (including you, what was with the tool comment).
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![]() and second, you're right the OP has completely been forgotten about. but if you take the time to read from the start you'll see that point was lost on the RWD proponents first (references to i30 and corolla's etc..) which has rallied the FWDer's... most of the back and forth banter has all beed done tongue in cheek (well i'd hope so anyway)... of the people posting here, Will has stepped from an XR5 to an XR6T and myself I went from an FG Falcon to the XR5 Mondy, so i think we are pretty well qualified to comment/compare...
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Martinjosh ,what is a large car.A EH Holden was a large car in 1964 and ferried families around,but in real terms it is not as big as a Corolla inside. Our Mazda 3 allows adequate space for four. I am 188cm my son is 190cm plus the two girls , so I really do not see your insistance on a large car. Would a fwd Falcon sell - not in my opinion.
Will the 2.0 litre Falcon sell ,not in my opinion. Why ? Because there are a number of us who only want a six cylinder rwd car .The whole argument is flawed because a comparison of fwd and rwd is impossible because of the vehicles on offer .You only limited by money. My own take is that ultimately rear wheel drive is favoured by the Ferraris and Lambo's etc of the world ,and it probably speaks volumes for what is better.
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They don't feel the same. How could you claim they do? I base all my opinions from my own personal experience as anyone should, from my own personal experience - FWD and RWD don't feel the same to drive. Funnily enough, because they're different. The tool comment was me expressing my frustration at how off topic this thread has become because I was interested in the original topic. I'm younger than most members here and probably will appear to be a lot less mature than a lot of people here, but atleast I'm not scared to voice my opinion for fear of the ban hammer.
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