Could we soon have another contender in the V8's?

turboute · 10-10-2005, 02:26 PM

Since the Chrysler 300C is almost availible now, and I am sure they mush have some pushrod engines (Hemi V8's) still in production, do you think they could enter the V8's and open up the competetion a bit?

They must certainly be more of a chance than either toyota or mitsubishi, who would be sourcing either ford or GM blocks to race, since neither of them have pushrod V8's in their linup of engines.

XWGT · 10-10-2005, 02:35 PM

Well V8SC is not based on any form of actual machinery credibility. It's just a marketing creation that feeds on tribalism. And tribalism works best with only 2 tribes, so I'm guessing not.

4.9 EF Futura · 10-10-2005, 02:41 PM

Pretty sure it's gotta be an australian 4 door RWD V8.

Ryan · 10-10-2005, 02:46 PM

Could be interesting.

But im thinking it wont happen.

parawolf · 10-10-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Pretty sure it's gotta be an australian 4 door RWD V8.

Yup smack on the money. AVESCO = Australian Vee Eight Supercar COmpany.

There must be a locally assembled 4 door sedan which sells as a V8 in rear wheel drive format.

300C ain't assembled here so it doesn't get starting mention - apart from safety cars.

MITCHAY · 10-10-2005, 02:58 PM

I dont think it would even be possible just goin by the sheer size of it. It looks massive and I hate to imagine how hard it would be to get a competitive race car out of it.

vztrt · 10-10-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by turboute

Since the Chrysler 300C is almost availible now, and I am sure they mush have some pushrod engines (Hemi V8's) still in production, do you think they could enter the V8's and open up the competetion a bit?

They must certainly be more of a chance than either toyota or mitsubishi, who would be sourcing either ford or GM blocks to race, since neither of them have pushrod V8's in their linup of engines.

Chrysler has said that they wouldn't enter the championship. There happy just being the pace car. It would be nice to have a few more manufacturers.
There was a rumor going around that mitsubishi were developing a RWD V8 and that they might enter the champioship, but than they brought out the magna model that almost sent them bankrupt.

MrSparkle · 10-10-2005, 03:43 PM

Too many knuckles dragging far too low in the cretinous ranks of AVESCO, for them to introduce anyone else. Can you imagine the irate apes at the top of The Mountain if there were fans of a THIRD manufacturer present? They'd throw ALL their VB coconuts in anger, and jump up and down in fury, screaming primate obscenities!

The Dumbarse Bogan Factor™ is far too strong for any change to be implemented. Only the vastness of time, and the desperation of empty pockets, will force change, and even then I can forsee them letting the category die off rather than bothering changing things.

LTDHO · 10-10-2005, 04:09 PM

I'd like to a 3rd manufacturer.

But there is nothing :(

XRated · 10-10-2005, 04:26 PM

Speaking of which, I saw a black test mule on Ferntree Gully Road the other day. They look very sharp on the road

aimzes · 10-10-2005, 04:35 PM

ford and holden have chucked too much money into it to let another manufacturer just walk straight in. the sport is pretty big here and its still growing... i cant see it happening until the supporters stop turning up.

Dave_au · 10-10-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aimzes

ford and holden have chucked too much money into it to let another manufacturer just walk straight in. the sport is pretty big here and its still growing... i cant see it happening until the supporters stop turning up.

God knows why it is popular, I think it's due to the marketing momentum both Ford/FPV, Holden/HSV and AVESCO.

The Australian GTP races were always much more interesting, especially when they have their bathurst 1000.

That was until some drongo at Holden managed to convince CAMS that a 7.0L Monaro was really a "grand touring production".

We all know who really owns that mountain - Porsche.

AuFairlaneV8 · 10-10-2005, 06:05 PM

Standard porsche vs race car with a monaro shell, they should have just called that race the monaro 24 hour

Back on topic I think the charger would be better suited to V8 supercar racing

Thats if its ever sold here

LUXO_8 · 10-10-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I dont think it would even be possible just goin by the sheer size of it. It looks massive and I hate to imagine how hard it would be to get a competitive race car out of it.

yes its quite a big car, it's tipped to be going against Fairlane/LTD and Statesman / Caprice, so that gives you an idea of the size

aimzes · 10-10-2005, 06:20 PM

dont the fords have enough trouble getting the weight down to 1350... itd be bloody hard to do it with a lwb model.

Psycho Chicken · 10-10-2005, 06:31 PM

Has to have a 5.0 OHV engine as well. Do Chrysler make one?

aimzes · 10-10-2005, 06:35 PM

i think plymouth had a 301 and a 303. close enough.

bartaxr8 · 10-10-2005, 06:35 PM

Just a quick correction on your first post. Toyota race trucks in NASCAR's Craftman Truck Series which require the use of a pushrod, 2 valve per cylinder engine which they make themselves. Not trying to be a smart **** but I thought I better point this out. No offence, Thanks.

LUXO_8 · 10-10-2005, 06:49 PM

yeah it isnt a toyota engine though, in craftsman, they use either ford or GM engines.....

thats the whole thing, with V8sc it has to be the engine used by the manufacturer

chevypower · 10-10-2005, 08:11 PM

maybe Volvo could rejoin with a RWD version of the S80 with a Volvo Penta V8 motor

spope · 10-10-2005, 11:50 PM

The entry rules for V8 supercars are fairly straightforward.
All taken from: http://www.v8supercar.com.au/content...ations_manual/
The production "example" must have sold at least 3500 units in a 12 month period of the same "family" as produced by Ford or Holden special vehicles department, and those vehicle must be of a family of which 25000 models have been sold. Apart from the Falcon and Commodore, name one other car that fits these criteria, manafacturer notwithstanding?
The current rules immediately eliminate any other manufacturer. Sorry, for the time being this is a two horse race. And that's why I love it - it offers a more even playing field than any other touring car class in the world. Only lower classes offer the same sort of level playing field (carrera cup, formula ford, etc)
The actual car that is raced is a different story. Must have a 5.0 litre (302 or 304) capacity, pushrod, OHV, 2 valves per cylinder. Does NOT have to be a 90 degree V, either.
So, don't expect to see any BF falcons until next year, and we are not likely to see VE commos until 2007, due to it being an all new car.

OzJavelin · 11-10-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Has to have a 5.0 OHV engine as well. Do Chrysler make one?

Does Ford/GM make one in this country either? Last time I checked GM were selling 5.7L GenIIIs, but racing GenIIs .. and Ford were selling 5.4L SOHC/DOHC "modular" motors, but racing some Boss (Windsor block/Cleveland head) creation?
The Hemi is a OHV (not OHC) engine which could probably be easily de-stroked to 5.0L. I'd think it would be pretty kick-*** actually ..

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 11-10-2005, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by turboute

Since the Chrysler 300C is almost availible now, and I am sure they mush have some pushrod engines (Hemi V8's) still in production, do you think they could enter the V8's and open up the competetion a bit?

They must certainly be more of a chance than either toyota or mitsubishi, who would be sourcing either ford or GM blocks to race, since neither of them have pushrod V8's in their linup of engines.

Rubbish !

bartaxr8 · 11-10-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

yeah it isnt a toyota engine though, in craftsman, they use either ford or GM engines.....

thats the whole thing, with V8sc it has to be the engine used by the manufacturer

I have to disagree with you on this. The pushrod V8 used in the Toyota Tundra Craftmen trucks are made by TRD (Toyota Racing Development). I have only seen one picture of the engine and if I remember correctly the distributor is up the front like a Ford. Remember that NASCAR, in essence, is meant to be stock car racing. Therefore if a manufacture wants to enter they have to use there own body style and engines.