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06-05-2011, 10:01 AM | #1 | |||
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Im finding this a bit alarming to say the least (if its true).......
If Police do charge him with unlicenced driving, then they should also charge everyone else during the floods who carried people in the backs of utes, in the bucket of a front end loader! and ALL the people who helped out after the Brisbane floods for causing an obstruction to traffic, not having authority to block off brisbane roads without council permission etc etc..... Something smells here Quote:
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06-05-2011, 10:20 AM | #2 | ||||
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This man wasn't selfish, and saved other people before his own family...and they're going to do THIS to him?
Some days, the actions of this state really upset me...today is one of those days... I can't verbalise what I'm really thinking - I'll get banned... It seems a little odd... http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/b...-1226050897096 The police minister is saying here that Quote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226050909261 Quote:
Do these departments not talk internally at all prior to this stuff? In two articles on the same day - QPS didn't comment, and then they did... I smell a big rat... Particularly when I read this... http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/f...-1226046546937
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06-05-2011, 10:26 AM | #3 | ||
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bit of a grey area. he still broke the law and without law there is caos. people have gone to jail for being attacked and fighting back and killing the person. i would hate to be the judge if this goes to trail.
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06-05-2011, 10:38 AM | #4 | ||
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Unfortunately this is one of those times where the law is having to be seen to be applied fairly across the board, ie. a breach of a comparatively important law has technically occurred, 'causing' a seriously disturbing outcome, thus giving rise to a charge so that the truth can come out.
I doubt that the police or anyone in the prosecuter's office want to do this, but given that 'justice' must be seen to be done to preserve its credibility, this sort of thing happens. The alternative is to ignore it and let it slide, but the danger in that is that a precedent may be set which might allow the local 'good ol' boys' to avoid charging one of their mates for a real sin down the track. The poor guy in the middle has had a bad year already, and anyone with any decency would be sickened to add to his load, but the law and morality aren't always the same thing unfortunately. |
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06-05-2011, 10:43 AM | #5 | |||
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Yes he did, but you missed my comments at the start then? News footage showed time and time again people being rescued in the bucket of a front end loader. IF you uphold the letter of the law, the driver of the loader MUST BE CHARGED. How about all the footage of people in the back of utes? Or on the back of tray trucks being rescued across flood waters? Police have descresionary powers still.... What i smell here is yet again the clear message "DONT ROCK THE BOAT". Government Depts constantly tell us that people have NOTHING to fear when you speak out about something in you see wrong in your job. How many times did the nurse behind the Dr Pattel saga get warned off? Every single time someone speaks out in a government or quasi government dept. they are singled out and have their jobs threatened. Look at the inquiry into the management of the dam post the Brisbane floods where parliamentary priviledge was claimed by certain people. So why charge him? Dont tell me he was the ONLY person during the floods who did something "illegal" in order to save someone or to help clean up!
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06-05-2011, 10:51 AM | #6 | ||
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Aren't there laws regarding 'whistle blowing' now...?
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06-05-2011, 11:41 AM | #7 | ||
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I would be pretty sure that there will be a defence available to him under their criminal code where ordinary citizens can be excused from what would normally be an offence when they commited the offence in good faith in circumstances of an emergency and were not not wilfully reckless.
We have the exact provisions in the Criminal Code (WA) and it overrides traffic laws as well. |
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06-05-2011, 11:43 AM | #8 | ||
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IMO there is 2 reasons why he is looking at being charged by the police.
The first reason is that he is a firefighter and he should be setting an example and not driving while not having a licence. The second reason is that the media has got to this and he has put attention on himself, and the police do not want to be seen as being soft when it comes to people committing crimes. If they let him off they could be judged later on down the track as to why they let a person drive with no licence. IMO the police should let this one slid he did do a good thing by saving people. |
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06-05-2011, 11:46 AM | #9 | |||
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I for one feel i can comment, i went out there with a few AFF'ers to hold a BBQ. I spent 5-6hrs sitting in the back of an XR6 ute, tailgate down handing out drinks to people doing the hard work cleaning up. Now a couple of times we came across the local police as you would expect they were everywhere. And not one of the batted an eyelid, and we werent on just suburban streets afew times we would pass down roads with a 60kph speed limit still sitting in the back (Tailgate up) and police would give the nod of approval. Now if my experience is anything to go by this is the biggest case of double standards ive seen.
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06-05-2011, 11:53 AM | #10 | |||
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06-05-2011, 12:35 PM | #11 | ||
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Sorry I missed it, why was he not licenced?
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06-05-2011, 12:55 PM | #12 | |||
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06-05-2011, 12:59 PM | #13 | ||
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Why was he (an unlicenced driver) driving the vehicle ?
Where were the licenced/qualified brigade drivers ? There is obviously more to this... Is this normal practice or an isolated incidence ? As an OIC I certainly wouldn't be letting any unlicenced/unqualified driver drive any vehicles from my station, no matter what the circumstances |
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06-05-2011, 01:03 PM | #14 | ||
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I can see it now " sorry I'd love to save your life but I don't have a licence so I will be dragged off by jack booted geastapo"
relativly minor offenses commited during a selfless rescue can and must be excused under police discretionary powers, this sort of thing only serves to lower the publice opinion of the police
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06-05-2011, 01:14 PM | #15 | |||
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Well, there seems to be an update...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...06/3209616.htm Quote:
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06-05-2011, 02:10 PM | #16 | ||
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Sect 25 Qld Criminal Code – Extraordinary Emergency - a
person is not criminally responsible for an act or omission done or made under such circumstances of sudden or extraordinary emergency that an ordinary person possessing ordinary power of self-control could not reasonably be expected to act otherwise. Every police officer knows of this section. Every lawyer knows of this section. Charges will not result. The more likely scenario is investigators are preparing a thorough investigation for the Coroner (as is their duty) of ALL the circumstances leading to the death of this man’s family. It is perhaps just an unfortunate circumstance, that sometimes uncomfortable questions need to be asked in order to brief the Coroner with all the facts. |
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06-05-2011, 02:38 PM | #17 | ||
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Well that later report certainly is good news... This inquiry has been interesting to say the least. One truely hopes that any recommended changes are carried through.
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06-05-2011, 02:41 PM | #18 | ||
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Well they're moving Grantham, so that's got to be a plus...
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06-05-2011, 02:50 PM | #19 | |||
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Yes but look at how many new suburbs now are built on flood plains, why is it councils far and wide allow these areas to flourish? Townsville has a dozen or so new developments being built in flood plains areas. Everyone knows this, yet council just rubber stamps it. All these houses are even built at ground level! They built all those cottages and queenslanders on stumps for a reason all those years go. Just like having a tiled roof in a cyclone area... I have seen more damaged tiled roofs then damaged (newer) iron roofs (unless its an really old house which used nails)
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06-05-2011, 03:02 PM | #20 | |||
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I sure as hell don't understand it. I guess the harsh reality is, that we're a growing population, and people need somewhere to live. Why anyone would build on a flood plane is beyond me - but they do it. I assume they want the Australian dream of owning your own home, it's far enough away from the city to be quiet, close enough to the city that you can drive there if you need to. There's houses around here that were next to small watercourses at the bottom of the hills in town...they became raging torrents - they have picket signs out the front of their homes about the insurance company not coming through for them...it's sad, and I've been brought to tears a number of times just driving past them. The positive is, that these people are starting to rebuild, and whilst the suggestion is the new Grantham won't be ready until the end of next year, they at least have something to aim for now, well, those that have accepted the 'land swap'.
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