august 5 electricity increase

[BHDOGS]

nuclear wins for baseload power and emissions hands down thats it discussion over start building em build one i my back yard if you want ill supply the lemonades

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Quote Sorry, there are limits on transmission lines...about 300k's from memory...then the losses are so huge it's uneconomical...the further it has to go the more they have to jack up the voltage...after about 500,000 volts it makes your hair stand up and the spark will jump nearly a metre through the air. the cost of the insulators,the towers etc all rise dramatically.

Hmm The high voltage will carry alot of load with small cables..
Volts & amps are always proportional...

Not sure what you are trying to say here?

For the same electrical power, current and voltage are inversely proportional, P= VI.......is the matter under discussion

however, if you are talking about the applied voltage across an ohmic load varying in direct proportions to the current, then your statement is fine.

[XRGhia]

Originally Posted by mondo_broady

wow, so much ignorance in one post, it's giving me a headache. actually, scratch that, in the whole thread. *note to self* i must stop reading these type of threads...

sorry for hurting your feelings...

i just ignore them anyway, and only pop in if i'm bored, or just to see who's arguing about x statement posted by x person.......

[Keepleft]

Hey Z80 - you off the grid in totality? (Banks of what I presume are dry cell batts)??

Lake Mac NSW - Energy AUS, recently rejigged by name, have a 'Service Availability Charge' that is around $470 per year I think, a charge even if your not connected to them!

[mondo_broady]

Originally Posted by xrghiawagon

i just ignore them anyway, and only pop in if i'm bored, or just to see who's arguing about x statement posted by x person.......

seriously, the level of rubbish posted in this thread (and the house price & the NBN) is astounding!!

@ keepleft - same applies for water too. it's a charge they levy to cover costs of maintaining the supply lines.

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by sudszy

Not sure what you are trying to say here?

For the same electrical power, current and voltage are inversely proportional, P= VI.......is the matter under discussion

however, if you are talking about the applied voltage across an ohmic load varying in direct proportions to the current, then your statement is fine.

One major reason of the H.V in transmission lines is it doesn't require heavy cables to carry the load.. Yes over the distance more pressure / voltage is required..
Just adding another aspect why HV is required..

[z80]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Hmm The high voltage will carry a lot of load with small cables..
Volts & amps are always proportional...

What's your point?

(The efficiency of transmission is the question, not the carrying capacity of the wiring.)

efficiency=power out Vs power in

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by z80

What's your point?

(The efficiency of transmission is the question, not the carrying capacity of the wiring.)

efficiency=power out Vs power in

It does.. If the cables have to be 120mm thick ...
Or they would run 415v every where..

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

One major reason of the H.V in transmission lines is it doesn't require heavy cables to carry the load.. Yes over the distance more pressure / voltage is required..
Just adding another aspect why HV is required..

But this is what you said previously:

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Hmm The high voltage will carry alot of load with small cables..
Volts & amps are always proportional... ..

So you really meant to say voltage and current are inversely proportional.

Making the voltage higher reduces the current for a given power load, the current determines the diameter of wire necessary

[burnz]

Originally Posted by sudszy

But this is what you said previously:



So you really meant to say voltage and current are inversely proportional.

Making the voltage higher reduces the current for a given power load, the current determines the diameter of wire necessary

you know what he means as well as i do!!
stop playing symantecs..

[z80]

Originally Posted by sudszy

But this is what you said previously:



So you really meant to say voltage and current are inversely proportional.

Making the voltage higher reduces the current for a given power load, the current determines the diameter of wire necessary

Not always the case....your explanation is either simplistic or uneducated.

(probably the latter)


The coefficient of resistivity for a given conductive material and temperature as well as the cross sectional area of the conductor determines it's current flow.

Give me any conductor, any cross sectional area and i'll make it capable of any current by either changing the ambient temperature, the wire thickness or the voltage.

There's more to elec-trickery than simple ohm's law.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by burnz

you know what he means as well as i do!!
stop playing symantecs..

at the risk of being symantec.......its actually semantic!

Originally Posted by z80

Not always the case....your explanation is either simplistic or uneducated.

(probably the latter)


The coefficient of resistivity for a given conductive material and temperature as well as the cross sectional area of the conductor determines it's current flow.

Give me any conductor, any cross sectional area and i'll make it capable of any current by either changing the ambient temperature, the wire thickness or the voltage.

There's more to elec-trickery than simple ohm's law.

ffs

I think we are still talking about using the same aluminium conducting wires and actually having them planted on the surface of the planet where they'll be in the range of -10 to 60C here in Aus(of course if you want to tell us what diameter wires we will need if we get it down to superconductor temps, that would be real interesting).......guessing the purpose of the ^is you are trying to get even for being exposed for previous nonsense in this thread

[z80]

Originally Posted by sudszy

I think we are still talking about using the same aluminium conducting wires and actually having them planted on the surface of the planet where they'll be in the range of -10 to 60C here in Aus(of course if you want to tell us what diameter wires we will need if we get it down to superconductor temps, that would be real interesting).......guessing the purpose of the ^is you are trying to get even for being exposed for previous nonsense in this thread

*yawn* I just had to expose you as a simpleton who needlessly trolls around feigning intelligence by reiteration of ohm's law over and over.

You've bored me out of this thread sudszy.

[gtfpv]

havent read this thread , so i hope i'm not off topic . . my electricity . increase has just been forwarded to me , with chagre rates and dily usage noted .
i worked out approx $871/qtr inclusive about $100/extra/qtr at most . not going to break me .

[xtremerus]

You are right on topic, gtfpv.
The others have wandered off.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

havent read this thread , so i hope i'm not off topic . . my electricity . increase has just been forwarded to me , with chagre rates and dily usage noted .
i worked out approx $871/qtr inclusive about $100/extra/qtr at most . not going to break me .

whom are you with??
i'm with AGL so i expect to see origin and others follow suit..

Originally Posted by burnz

increase in price effective aug 5th

cents/KWH

current new
peak 40.04...44.11
shoulder 14.85...18.70
off peak 8.36...10.34
load1 8.36...9.02
load2 12.10...11.88
service charge per day (cents) 57.20...79.20

cant wait for carbon tax on top!!

[russellw]

This has well run it's course.

Unfortunately (as is nearly always the case with this type of discussion) a handful of argumentative internet experts ruin what should have been an informative topic and leave the few valuable bits buried under the crap.

Let me make a very clear warning to those concerned - and you know who you are.

If this ruining of every similar thread with petty arguments (as opposed to serious debate) and dick waving continues then one or both of two things will happen.

1. The people taking the debate / topic off course will be warned and if necessary banned.

2. The threads will be closed or moved to a discussion area where they can be dealt with in a mature manner.

Russ