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Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
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http://www.news.com.au/national/a-fi...-1226136967791
and the councils/govts/police etc wonder why no one respects them. i guess its very similar in sport. consistancy in punishment is one of the biggest complaints. lets face it, we all stuff up from time to time, but why should someone living in one state have to pay up to 6 times the amount of someone living in another state. what will happen now is they will see a great opportunity for increased revenue. they will see which state has the highest penalty for whatever offence, and make all other states the same. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Sun City, North Australis
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When you watch RBT or the other aussie Police shows the fines given out for various traffic offences are so widely different its not funny.
The Magistrates out there (along with the court system) appears to be very out of touch with what the public expect (which is fair and consistent sentencing). We have a national set of uniform road rules (with a few differences per state) why not a uniform set of fines?
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let it burn
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: QUEENSLANDER!!!!!
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States rights. The fed has no place in setting the states fines/penalties. States could agree to a uniform set, but Im not sure who that helps. If you think penalties are too harsh, lobby govt, if you think them too soft, lobby govt. If you dont live there, and think them too high, obey the rules, go to another state or live with it.
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2006
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feds have already imposed national licencing standards so I'm sure a national penalty system would not be beyond their power. remember federal legislation always over rules state legislation where the 2 conflict
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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That's true only where State penalties are not in conflict with Federal. Federal always trumps state. Generally fines are set out as "penalty units". That's how they are described in the constitution.
I thnk states can put any value they wish on a penalty unit, though I 'd be happy to be corrected on any of the above with proof not opinion.
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let it burn
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Penalties are best left to the states IMO. There is no gain in making them uniform, unless you end up thinking that doing that 20 k over is only worth X amount and worth the risk, only to find it was 5 times that amount and wasnt worth the risk. I couldnt tell you what the fine is for 20 over in this state, let alone any other. Personally, I prefer the states to handle as much as possible, and leave the fed to handle the bigger things. We have 3 levels of government for a good reason, most decisions are best left to those more local to the issues. As someone said, the fines in the cheaper states will go up, it wont be the higher states going down, so no gain for many motorists but a there is loss for them, but some who are jealous in the dearer states or those with agendas in those cheaper states will be happy if it did happen. |
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Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
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i put this in 'the bar' because its not really just about cars and speeding.
some penalties are akin to a slap on the wrist, whilst others are way over the top. surely some consistancy isn't too much to ask. |
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Last edited by geckoGT; 17-09-2011 at 06:02 PM. Reason: Taking the thread down an argumentative line and there is no need for that. |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lake Macquarie, NSW
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AUSTRALIA, on behalf of the states and territories contracted the UN Convention on Road Traffic (49' Gazz 53) and this holds our primary road rules; Keatings move is to harmonise those basics uniformally. They/we don't always get each quite right. Australia is a nation of sovereign states.
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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I read a couple of the side 'fine' stories - and to be honest, some of them make me laugh - in the ACT you get fined for not being neat and tidy if you're a taxi driver...$121. In SA you get fined $43 for a parking fine and if you forget to pay it, you're issued with a $45 fine on top of that - either way you're getting a fine for bad time management...but with two separate dollar values...
No, there's no consistency - and from looking at the animal cruelty fines on that, it probably wouldn't be such a bad thing if the rest of the states followed Queensland's lead...perhaps the other states could manage to get people to pay the fines though... ![]() Oh...and if you go to the states...make sure your car doesn't impersonate a wolf...whatever the hell that means... ![]()
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Melbourne
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Have to wonder if someone assaulted a politician, would they get an increased penalty to "set an example"? I highly doubt that they would be given a lenient charge, when compared to the average citizen.
It's pretty embarrassing that in this country you can quite often be penalised more for tax evasion than for taking one's life. Common sense needs to return!
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I mean what do you expect in a country where tax fraud rivals murder in the level of resources committed towards resolution........ |
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