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10-01-2012, 11:23 AM | #1 | ||
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10-01-2012, 11:25 AM | #2 | ||
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well I hope the company is forced to repay the millions that we have given them in support over the years if they do shut the gates..
I really hope they don't....not a fan of the rampaging lion but wouldn't like to see it go either!
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10-01-2012, 11:28 AM | #3 | ||
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I just spotted that article too. Has anyone heard anymore about these comments?
If Holden goes, then that's a lot of pressure on component makers in Aus therefore could Ford survive without Holden? |
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10-01-2012, 11:28 AM | #4 | ||
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I absolutely loathe General Motors, but the auto industry in this country is a house of cards, if one goes they all go.
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10-01-2012, 11:35 AM | #5 | ||
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Sorry..Repost.. I posted earlier..SA Premier in Talks to save Holden..
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10-01-2012, 12:05 PM | #6 | |||
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It would mean thousands left without a job. What decent Aussie, Holden fan or not, would want that?
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10-01-2012, 12:06 PM | #7 | ||
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it is becoming to bloody expensive to manufacture stuff here, it is`nt just car companies packing up shop,
it`s funny govco keep telling everyone how good the economy is...... yes it`s that good we are closing down or relocating to asia. |
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10-01-2012, 12:08 PM | #8 | |||
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Very dramatic article, do they have anything to base it on?
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10-01-2012, 12:11 PM | #9 | ||
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The press release from GM is more moderate (I read it on another site), but tell you what, that Gover moron is a first grade ********. He has written today two articles, one about the blue camp one about the red camp. Both are basically about the same thing, but the one about the blue camp he has tried to weave as much negativity into it as he can, whilst the article he wrote about the red camp is glowing and contains no such negativity..
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10-01-2012, 12:20 PM | #10 | ||
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Yep will be sad to see familys suffer from this closure,also if it did happen what would happen to the V8 Supercar racing??? and Bathurst.
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10-01-2012, 12:52 PM | #12 | ||
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If Holden goes, Ford will follow, very quickly. One can not exist without the other, as like it or now, most of the locally produced components in both cars are made in the same factory. Holden is more important to Ford Australia's existence than we all give it credit for.
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10-01-2012, 01:12 PM | #13 | ||
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Holden gone = Ford gone...it's as simple as that.
As much as some here hate Holden's, we wouldn't have the cars we are driving today if it wasn't for the Commodore.
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10-01-2012, 01:13 PM | #14 | |||
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Trust GoAuto to do the analysis - could be curtains for the Zeta after 2018:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25798100038A01 Quote:
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10-01-2012, 01:18 PM | #15 | ||
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Interesting timing, Sounds like my kids when 1 gets something the other didnt; "ooooo Me too Me too me too"
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10-01-2012, 01:22 PM | #16 | ||
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Sounds like Holden just want some more free money from the government instead of finding it from their own pockets.
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10-01-2012, 01:23 PM | #17 | ||
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I was told be a very reliable source back in 2002 that by the year 2020 manufacturing in this country would be basically non existant..........
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10-01-2012, 01:36 PM | #18 | ||
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This is not good news if true.
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10-01-2012, 01:43 PM | #19 | ||
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I think they've been circling the drain for some time...both Ford and Holden aren't "Australian" companies anyway...the head honchos in the USA call teh shots when push comes to shove, and I've often heard comments that they are just watching for the cost of producing the cars here, as opposed to building right hand drive versions of cars they already make overseas to come nearer to one another.
If they got too close, or production here became more expensive than the right hand drive version option, then they'd just shut up shop here and put the money into factories like Chrysler has done and make right hand drive things like the Ford Fusion and Taurus (and probably Mustang) and the Chevrolet Malibu, Impala, and maybe Camaro. |
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10-01-2012, 02:05 PM | #20 | ||
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It's ok josh and the other journos will make sure Holden's closure is a brilliant masterstroke of fiscal restraint and realigning for Australias future while fords closure is a personal insult to all Australians and there moms and the support they received was wasted by incompetent ugly car builders.
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10-01-2012, 03:11 PM | #21 | ||
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As has been posted one can't survive without the other.
But the commodore has been the better of the 2, received monies from govco yet they are saying it will be the first to fold Ford on the other hand have plummeting sales no hand outs but will last longer. Am I missing something?
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10-01-2012, 03:28 PM | #23 | ||
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WELL as far as i can see it...ford is still profiting in aus...holden hasnt for some time...and when they did it wasnt there money. Now if we do loose holden here...whts the worst that will happen...we will still have all the imported ford products from euorpe and else where and will slowly loose the falcon and terri which looks likely to happen eventually anyway.
Now what will holden..or GMAH or whatever they are called...what will they sell here....everything organized in aus for sale by holden will end...whats left? they dont import anything good do they?????....its all junk |
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this might sound dramatic but "One Ford" suppliers will make Falcon viable where Commodore will struggle. I have a feeling that all the empty Cruze sales are coming home to roost, there a good reason why Corrola isn't made here... Quote:
I think Diesel Territory and right sizing personnel / production has definitely saved Ford's bacon..... People think Holden are "safe" because they have two shifts producing 485/day, nothing could be further from the truth and if anything,they could be even more exposed... Last edited by jpd80; 10-01-2012 at 03:51 PM. |
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I'm going to agree with some people and call it a bluff, handout time, you have to yourself looks desperate.
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10-01-2012, 04:34 PM | #28 | |||
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Holden have said today they only want to make cars for mass-market segments with only a focus on local sales - in Australia that means Light Cars, Small Cars and Compact SUVs. Large cars are not in the mix, however I still think they will make Commodore though. So I see this going forward with Holden: Cruze sedan and hatch Cruze-based SUV Commodore sedan and wagon That's it, no more LWB, and no more exports. |
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10-01-2012, 05:15 PM | #29 | |||
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10-01-2012, 05:30 PM | #30 | ||
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Good bye holden = good bye V8 supercars
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