so you think youve got aggressive camber?

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Pedro

I'm laughing too. As you say, the edges would wear out real quick but handling would be non-existant. It wouldn't steer in a straight line, let alone through corners.

My F6 used to handle best at 2 degrees negative around Lakeside. I tried 3.5 degrees once when running slicks and wore out the inside edge so fast that the left hand front blew-out half way through Carousel and I only just managed to pull it up before the fast approaching embankment.

if you watch the you tube clip you see a sedan thats appearing to drive just fine...

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

yeah i doubt handling is real high on the owners priorities lol.

Strange statement considering having more neg camber helps cornering.

Never mind, the pic makes for interesting comments

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Strange statement considering having more neg camber helps cornering.

Never mind, the pic makes for interesting comments

a bit like lowering a car can improve handling, lower it too far and it wont handle at all

too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I have 1.5 deg neg camber on my car now for hills driving, and thats enough.

it's fine for racing imo

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

One Word - Stupid

[KRL-94]

it makes it look mean and what not, but for it to wore properly, you need to set the castor, toe in, toe out, and have the correct suspensionn set up. maybe for every day use -1 degree camber would help, but the principles above still need to be applied.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by KRL-94

it makes it look mean and what not, but for it to wore properly, you need to set the castor, toe in, toe out, and have the correct suspensionn set up. maybe for every day use -1 degree camber would help, but the principles above still need to be applied.

I assume this comment is based on the OP.

With my car I run 2mm total toe in and 1.5deg neg camber and a SuperPro castor camber kit. It is setup this way for better turn in and lateral hold in corners when I do hills driving or take corners faster. As far as tire wear is concerned, there is minimal wear on the inside, possibly some light feathering of the tread. But I tend to rotate my tires at requested intervals to minimize wear as well.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by KRL-94

it makes it look mean and what not, but for it to wore properly, you need to set the castor, toe in, toe out, and have the correct suspensionn set up. maybe for every day use -1 degree camber would help, but the principles above still need to be applied.

That's a big juggling act, which can be a PITA to the bloke trying to get minimal edge wear from a tyre to keep the customer happy.

Problem faced is, the bloke setting the toe can only do a little guess work to begin with. Then the customer will complain, take the car elsewhere, where it'll be changed a little more, but the customer will still complain.

Or in laymans terms, one big nightmare that's barely worth tackling.

[blueoval]

Depends on if you are happy to accept a percentage of wear in lieu of better handling. For me, I will sacrifice some tire wear for this privilege. Others wont.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Depends on if you are happy to accept a percentage of wear in lieu of better handling. For me, I will sacrifice some tire wear for this privilege. Others wont.

Do disrespect intended towards anyone, but you are one of the very few that does accept this. So I take my hat off to you.

Unfortunately there are too many customers out there that expect aligners to perform miracles, which we can't. ie, have an excellent cornering car and no tyrewear. Those 2 items don't go hand in hand

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Do disrespect intended towards anyone, but you are one of the very few that does accept this. So I take my hat off to you.

Unfortunately there are too many customers out there that expect aligners to perform miracles, which we can't. ie, have an excellent cornering car and no tyrewear. Those 2 items don't go hand in hand

I accept this and I don't expect anyone to always get things spot on, all of the time. With aligning, and I am not an aligner, there are a lot of unknown factors that come into play to get the most out of tires and still make the car steer straight and the tires wear evenly.

For instance, if you have bent, or worn front end suspension parts you don't tell anyone about, worn bushes, slightly out of true wheels, worn shocks, uneven spring height, differentiating air pressures, uneven and undulating road surfaces and other smaller yet taken for granted wear and tear that isn't brand spanking new, then your alignment will be as close as it can be but never be spot on and stay that way for 10,000km, how could it be? It would be ignorant of me as the owner to blame an aligner to get it spot on for any of these factors alone.

I took it upon myself to accept tire wear consequences when I ask my aligner to set my camber, toe adjustment and alignment the way I want it. I may be a minority, but its the pay off for better handling. What I see less of is tire places not warning customers of the added consequences of having better handling in this department. Most customers do not know of the sacrifice in tire life to gain better handling in this regard, but if told, I believe most will not try it. If you already do this, then there is no reason for the owner to place blame.

The only way I would return to the aligner for a complaint is due to vibration in the wheels because of poor tire balance. Other than that I just drive and enjoy.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I accept this and I don't expect anyone to always get things spot on, all of the time. With aligning, and I am not an aligner, there are a lot of unknown factors that come into play to get the most out of tires and still make the car steer straight and the tires wear evenly.

For instance, if you have bent, or worn front end suspension parts you don't tell anyone about, worn bushes, slightly out of true wheels, worn shocks, uneven spring height, differentiating air pressures, uneven and undulating road surfaces and other smaller yet taken for granted wear and tear that isn't brand spanking new, then your alignment will be as close as it can be but never be spot on and stay that way for 10,000km, how could it be? It would be ignorant of me as the owner to blame an aligner to get it spot on for any of these factors alone.

I took it upon myself to accept tire wear consequences when I ask my aligner to set my camber, toe adjustment and alignment the way I want it. I may be a minority, but its the pay off for better handling. What I see less of is tire places not warning customers of the added consequences of having better handling in this department. Most customers do not know of the sacrifice in tire life to gain better handling in this regard, but if told, I believe most will not try it. If you already do this, then there is no reason for the owner to place blame.

The only way I would return to the aligner for a complaint is due to vibration in the wheels because of poor tire balance. Other than that I just drive and enjoy.

I agree with the worn suspension parts being a problem, and I do congratulate you being very acceptive of the possibilities of slightly more tyre wear, due to alignment settings.

Unfortunately, there are people out there that don't see it the same way as you. This is where it does get rather frustrating for people like myself, trying to explain it to some people.

Personally I wish there were more understanding people like you out there. It'd make peoples jobs like mine a lot easier. Hence me congratulating you.

[SSD-85]

I dont think cambers get much more aggressive than this...

[SPArKy_Dave]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

a bit like lowering a car can improve handling, lower it too far and it wont handle at all

too much of a good thing is never a bad thing.

'fixed'

I rest my case...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7FiBhLoTS0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umT-_UR151U

[SPArKy_Dave]

Someone mentioned offset...........?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzELph2g2gs