falcons EcoLPi Savings Calculator looking grim

sprint347dave · 24-03-2012, 04:54 PM

with the price of LPG at nearly 100 cents per litre the falcons EcoLPi saving calculators doesnt look very enticing anymore,,,would take nearly 7 years at and average 20 000ks to recoup the extra cost of the LPG falcon.

And how much higher does the price of LPG have to get before the gas setup in older cars that have duel fuel systems a dead weight...tank and bits and pieces

Joe5619 · 24-03-2012, 05:04 PM

nearly 1.00??? where do you live??

What is petrol at?

My poor XF · 24-03-2012, 05:07 PM

LPG is 60 cents per litre here.

sprint347dave · 24-03-2012, 05:10 PM

i live in ballina,,LPG is 94.5 and petrol is 1.57,,,where abouts are you My Poor XF

My poor XF · 24-03-2012, 05:11 PM

Barossa SA, and Adelaide.

Petrol is 1.51 at the moment, will drop 10 cents over the cycle.

borough · 24-03-2012, 05:28 PM

In Melbourne today the price for Fuel was:
ULP: 149.9
LPG: 79.9

Using the following figures for fuel economy:
I-6 Petrol: 9.9 l/100k
EcoLPi: 12.3 l/100k
EcoBoost: 8.1 l/100k

I get the following cost of fuel per 100k:
I-6 Petrol: $14.84
EcoLPi: $9.82
EcoBoost: $12.14

So the cost of fuel if you do 20,000 km per year:
I-6 Petrol: $2968
EcoLPi: $1965
EcoBoost: $2428

So the savings of the EcoLPi over the I-6 petrol and EcoBoost if you do 20,000km per year
I-6 Petrol: $1002
EcoBoost: $463

The premium for the EcoLPi over the I-6 Petrol is $2560. If you are a private buyer their is a rebate of $2,000.

So if you are a private buyer doing 20,000 km per year the EcoLPi will cost you an extra $560. With it saving you approx $1,000 per year in fuel the EcoLPi will pay itself off in a little over six months. I wonder where the OP got the 7 years from

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flappist · 24-03-2012, 06:01 PM

Here (Hervey Bay) LPG 89.9, E10 1.41.9 ULP 1.43.9 BP98 1.58.9

jpd80 · 24-03-2012, 06:18 PM

Comparing current prices i've seen in Brisbane for ULP and LPG and the URBAN FUEL CYCLE of FG II Falcon
namely, EcoLPI, I-6 petrol vs Ecoboost 2.0, the approximate cost per 100 km of city driving:

EcoLPI:
18.1 l/100 km x 87.5 cents/litre = $16.19

I-6 ULP:
14.6 l/100 km x 145 cents/litre = $21.17

Ecoboost:
11.8 l/100 km x 145 cents/litre = $17.11

Savings over I-6 petrol:

EcoLPI = $5.00/100 km

Ecoboost = $4.00/100 km

For people seeking good fuel economy in a big car,
Ford will soon have two great Falcon to choose from,
that is cause for celebration...

staity · 29-03-2012, 02:31 AM

Welcome to Bathurst, LPG 96.9 Unleaded 156.9

Sucks cos I have a Dedicated LPG falcon and a petrol one too, screwed over on both, hate country prices.

jpd80 · 29-03-2012, 07:32 AM

Ecoboost I-4 looks like it will win a lot of friends, providing relief and great looking fuel numbers to Ford,
that's the key these days with retail and fleet buyers just looking at combined fuel economy numbers.

This could still work out well for Ford....

Nikked · 29-03-2012, 07:33 AM

But, when you are at the pump, you are saving...and this is what people care about...

**Polyal** · 29-03-2012, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikked

But, when you are at the pump, you are saving...and this is what people care about...

Correct, and what are the average kms of fleet cars? The private sector while nice is not what ford would be after imo. Thats where eb will come in handy.

Also what about companies that want to lower their co2/emissions. Iirc the lpg falcon is a bit lower, dont underestimate the power of a green thumb.

phillyc · 29-03-2012, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ecoboost I-4 looks like it will win a lot of friends, providing relief and great looking fuel numbers to Ford,
that's the key these days with retail and fleet buyers just looking at combined fuel economy numbers.

This could still work out well for Ford....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikked

But, when you are at the pump, you are saving...and this is what people care about...

I think its a mix of both of your statements. * People filling up their EcoLPi will be paying alot less than filling up with petrol.
* People filling up their EcoBoost will be spending the same as before but thinking about how much longer it is between fuel stops / refuel for them.

It therefore depends on the mindset!

So, I agree with JP. This could still work out well for Ford.

PS Newcastle prices are 79.9-89.9cpl LPG / 146.9-152.9cpl ULP @ 28/3/2012.

phillyc · 29-03-2012, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polyal

Correct, and what are the average kms of fleet cars? The private sector while nice is not what ford would be after imo. Thats where eb will come in handy.

Also what about companies that want to lower their co2/emissions. Iirc the lpg falcon is a bit lower, dont underestimate the power of a green thumb.

Going by the number of Falcon adverts and the overhaul of the website, I think Ford are about to start chasing private / novated lease sales harder than in a long time.

Seems pretty clear in the past 2 weeks they just want sales. I think it might have even been you Polyal who said it's like a switch has been turned on.

I do agree that the sub 200gCO2/km is a barrier to many fleet sales.
* XT LPi is 199g/km.
* XT EcoBoost 192g/km.

flappist · 29-03-2012, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

Here (Hervey Bay) LPG 89.9, E10 1.41.9 ULP 1.43.9 BP98 1.58.9

Gayndah yesterday, LPG 1.05, ULP 1.51

turbodewd · 29-03-2012, 09:42 AM

LPG still 74.9c in Canberra...and we normally get shafted on petrol.

Windsor220 · 29-03-2012, 10:20 AM

Was in the 90s in Perth last time I checked. Almost become completely pointless overnight.

In Focus · 03-04-2012, 11:41 PM

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-...to-wollongong/

Not sure if this one has been posted anywhere, but a good review for the EcoLPI.

PoweredByCNG · 04-04-2012, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In Focus

http://performancedrive.com.au/2012-...to-wollongong/

That is the first review where someone has criticised the performance of the EcoLPi at low engine speeds which is extremely odd, because the performance curves of the EcoLPi are smoother than the petrol I6...

TMC · 04-04-2012, 02:44 PM

"The only real difference that you may notice, if you’re really picky, is a slight difference in low-down torque. It’s not that there isn’t enough, we feel the power and torque band is simply a bit different than that in the normal petrol. A way around this if you’re keen is to simply use the gears and find the best rev-range for the conditions. During fairly hard driving the engine responds well in kick-down, and really shifts the big G6 just like normal."

I'm with you Powered by CNG. I don't believe a word of it actually. I drive a Territory with virtually the same system and I don't experience that at all. I think what is actually coming across in the journalists comments is a bit of anti LPG bias which assumes that there must be some glaring down point in this car as it is on LPG after all, and some Holden bias, that the Ford offering can't possibly have that much ahead of the Holden. That report was definitely biased.

The whole torque power curve of the Eco-LPi happens earlier in the rev range than the petrol and there is more of it. How can it possibly feel a bit hollow at low revs?????

dimka100 · 04-04-2012, 05:01 PM

Petrol has gone up in price too, but yeah LPG seems to have increase a lot more proportionally speaking.

I bet ford is biting themselves now hard for not implementing the diesel in the Falcon instead ...

TMC · 04-04-2012, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimka100

Petrol has gone up in price too, but yeah LPG seems to have increase a lot more proportionally speaking.

I bet ford is biting themselves now hard for not implementing the diesel in the Falcon instead ...

A diesel Falcon would actually be more expensive to run than the EcoLpi, and be down on power over the petrol version. Can't see that working actually.

1TUFFUTE · 04-04-2012, 11:15 PM

SO...you can have a class leading Falcon thats on gas and will save a minimum of over a $1000 a year on fuel...

..is more powerfull and faster then anything in the large car market...

..your savings are at the bowser every week...

..your savings are at the buying stage thanks to the rebate....

..you have an amazingly eco friendly large sedan under 200 co2 emisions...

..you have world class and by far class leading tech in the engine and drivetrain such as the gearbox...

..your buying the safest car in australia in the FG Falcon as found buy independent safty testing looking for australias safest second hand car(the FG Falcon)

..and a side note i like to remind any friends buying knew cars...you dont have to service your warantied car at the manufacturer these days...saving more.

anybody care to do this for the holden commadore...dont worry itll only take a sec