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Old 26-04-2012, 02:55 PM   #1
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Default Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

Ok well the Mk2 Esky 4spd has developed a difficult gear change. There is resistance when pushing the lever into most gears and sometimes even a tooth-againt-tooth grinding sound which I can also feel through the stick.
I adjusted the clutch cable so it's not that.
I'm thinking maybe clutch springs or else gearbox synchro rings.

Opinions?? Anybody had similar?

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Old 26-04-2012, 09:06 PM   #2
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

If all foward gears have recently gone this way, I would suggest clutch. Syncros would normally go individually, ie. 2 many extra quick down changes from 3 to 2 & releasing the clutch early, or to many quick up changes usually from 2 to 3 again relasing the clutch early. I've done both a few times. enjoy
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Old 26-04-2012, 09:21 PM   #3
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

This can happen when the clutch is oil contaminated.
Fix oil leaks and fit new clutch.
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Old 27-04-2012, 08:41 AM   #4
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

Another vote for clutch related issue, few most common causes I've come across are;


1. Clutch lever cracked - common(ish) fault, arm will usually crack at the 'kink' between throw out bearing and cable slot. Feels like an under adjusted clutch cable. Pull back the dust boot and shine a light along the clutch lever while yo get a friend/spouse/sibling/flatmate/significant other/passer by/etc to depress the clutch pedal - will be very easy to see the arm flex if this is the issue,



2. If its a 2 litre - Pivot bolt & block adrift - pivot bolt comes loose/breaks and falls out, small steel lever point block falls out, can not adjust the cable enough to accomodate the change in leverage point,



3. Pressure plate diaphram partially collapsed - does not fully realease, but his usally results in some slipping under load, and

4. Driven plate failing - seen damper springs and friction material dislodge and cause this issue, again this usually have acompanying noise and/or slippage under load
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Old 27-04-2012, 12:09 PM   #5
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

my vote is for the clutch lever - very, very common for them to crack
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Old 27-04-2012, 12:41 PM   #6
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

Thanks for the comments everyone and the photos JimStone.
There is an oil leak coming out through the bottom of the bellhousing (from engine) but I would expect the clutch to slip if there was oil contamination. There is no slip and pedal action feels good (resistance for first 1/3 pedal travel, easy there after).
Looks like I'll have to jack it up again and have another look on the weekend.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:01 AM   #7
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

So I got the Esky up on stands and had a look at the clutch fork. There appears to be a crack but I don't see any flexing. Perhaps the fork has bent. Not happy days :(
I presume that any repairs will require the gearbox and bell-housing to be removed. No pit or engine lifter will make that challening...ahh the joys of classics.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:08 AM   #8
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

Yep, time to pull the gearbox. Can either repair old lever (make sure you run some additional reinforcing, dont just weld up the cracks) or source a new unit readily out of UK.

If the budget will stretch that far I would be tempted to replace the clutch while the gearbox is out - 'cheap' insurance for not having to pull te gear box again when the clutch dies about a week aftewr putting it all together again ....

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Old 06-05-2012, 09:54 PM   #9
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

Any way of getting to the clutch without removing the engine...perhaps from underneath. Space seems to be an issue...not much of it to manoeuvre around the gearbox.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:37 PM   #10
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

I have changed boxes from underneath. Not easy but do-able.
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Old 07-05-2012, 06:55 AM   #11
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Default Re: Difficult gear changes...box or clutch?

with a standard tunnel to get the box out you will need to drop the motor down - best wasy is to get longer cross member bolts to hold it all in line, undo the steering column and drop the motor down a couple of inches - you can be lucky & undo the motor mounts from the block as well....
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