Mitsubishi 380 Nov sales - Page 3

**ebxr8240** · 07-12-2005, 03:44 PM

At low rpm load some engines glaze there bores and rings just don't work as they should.. The pushrod V6 is from G.M is one of them!!!
Toyota V6's fail if oil level gets too low.. Which you'd expect, i'v seen a few with rattly bearings due to low oil, fleet cars etc...Not nessessary the cars fault but it happens..

Steffo · 07-12-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SSBUB

your a cyclops, there is no real fact amongst your post.

Interesting analogy there.

As for the "no real fact," I beg to differ.. but you're most welcome to think whatever you want to.

gmhdriver · 07-12-2005, 05:48 PM

If the cooling system is properly maintained there is no reason why a Commodore should cook its engine, and I definitely haven't heard of this being a major issue. I have been in vt/vx cabs with 650,000 + km on the original engine and still going well. Most cabbies I have spoken to say they only choose the falcon because it is better suited to lpg.

smoo · 07-12-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I've seen Commodore (3.8 V6), Magna (3.5 V6) and Avalon (3.0 V6) used as taxis, and I've seen them all fail. Commodore's cook their engines, they have alot of problems with sitting around idling all day in traffic... get very hot. The Mitsu's don't fair much better. The Avalon was the best of the non-Falcon lot... but the Ford wins out. It endures the demands of the work better then the others, plus the parts for it are more readily available, and the people in the business are more adapt at working with 4.0 Falcons then any other car.

In less extreme use though... Magna and Camry/Avalon are definitley very good cars.

Can't say the same thing about Commodore though

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Got any sites or articles regarding the 3.8s 'boiling' themselves? Thats a new one to me. In NZ at least, the out going Magnas were the least popular taxi of choice, weak gearboxes (5spd auto) being the main reason, too risky to run one, so there goes you theory of them been very good cars out the window. In the largest cab company where I am there is one Magna. Despite not having LPG, Maximas then Falcons most popular, followed by Commodore then Toyotas. Just a little comparison to when i was in Aussie earlier, where all were falcons, and wrapping up huge highway miles.

Psycho Chicken · 07-12-2005, 08:20 PM

As of today I have seen equal ammounts of 380s and '05 Mustangs on the road. One each. That can't be a good sign.

thunderoo · 07-12-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SSBUB

your a cyclops, there is no real fact amongst your post.

OK... i really didnt want to push in here but we are the biggest mechanical workshop that fits L.P.G on the mid north coast of NSW. So we service most of the taxi fleet in our area, what steffo is saying is correct...95% of the fleet up here is Falcons and the rest is Commodores....the Falcon is so much better suited to L.P.G and most of them have gone to 750,000 klms WITH NO MAJOR ENGINE REPAIRS.....even the original timming chain and head gasket !! The Commodore V6 engine do not like L.P.G so well...they will have a roughish idle and have more backfire problems......overall the 4.0 L engine would just run all day evry day on L.P.G as to the Commodores top end ( valves ) do not enjoy the gas and after 350,00 the timming chain starts to rattle around is the most common problems faced with L.P.G on the V6...as cylinder heads are always comming off for a set of valves to be done.( sometimes from 30,000 klms) Im not saying the Falcons are "perfect" as they are not....but they are far more reliable than the Commodore....what GMH Driver said is very correct...service the things and they go well...but the V6 commodore is not suited very well to L.P.G compared to the Falcon. One thing that i am confused about is that ( UNCOMFIRMED ) ive heard from the cabbys is that Ford has pulled the pin on cab packs since the BA........anybody seen a BA cab ??? None up here !!!

Aussie_Geo · 07-12-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

Steffo, your logic is too simplistic, just because fords get used as a taxi doesn't mean to say that they are the most reliable. Other fleets use other brands too, taxi's just happen to be the most visable.

I think the original ford lpg taxi pack and its obese size made it the cabbies choice in the domestic market. Look elsewhere in the world and I'm sure you'll be able to find a Camry taxi fleet.

Dave,

If you ever visit Cairns or Townsville you will see that almost the entire taxi fleet have changed over to Camry's. All the cabbies I have spoken to say they are far more reliable....... Not for me mind you.... I do not want to drive a blamange on wheels but they are making their mark in the Taxi game

Peter

Steffo · 07-12-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderoo

One thing that i am confused about is that ( UNCOMFIRMED ) ive heard from the cabbys is that Ford has pulled the pin on cab packs since the BA........anybody seen a BA cab ??? None up here !!!

Far as I know, City Ford in Sydney still offers taxi-packs, and another dealership too (dunno which).

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Originally Posted by smoo

Got any sites or articles regarding the 3.8s 'boiling' themselves? Thats a new one to me. In NZ at least, the out going Magnas were the least popular taxi of choice, weak gearboxes (5spd auto) being the main reason, too risky to run one, so there goes you theory of them been very good cars out the window. In the largest cab company where I am there is one Magna. Despite not having LPG, Maximas then Falcons most popular, followed by Commodore then Toyotas. Just a little comparison to when i was in Aussie earlier, where all were falcons, and wrapping up huge highway miles.

Sorry, no articles on that. Time to pull the real world experience card, because that's what it is.

And I've never said the Magna is or was a good car. I said it is, IMO, better or as good as the 380, that the 380 isn't really a step forward.

If you want me to rate domestically built cars based on quality... I'll gladly do so.... these are opinions I have formed from my own experience...

1. Ford Falcon
2. Toyota Camry
3. Toyota Avalon
4. Holden Commodore
5. Mitsubishi Magna

Don't know about 380 yet, it's yet to prove itself.

thunderoo · 07-12-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie_Geo

Dave,

If you ever visit Cairns or Townsville you will see that almost the entire taxi fleet have changed over to Camry's. All the cabbies I have spoken to say they are far more reliable....... Not for me mind you.... I do not want to drive a blamange on wheels but they are making their mark in the Taxi game

Peter

Well....that could back up my UNCOMFIRMED rumor that Ford has pulled the pin on taxi packs since the BA started.....Commodores were to unreliable...magnas were just s*#t.....Toyotas are only left really....and they run well on L.P.G also !

vztrt · 08-12-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thunderoo

Well....that could back up my UNCOMFIRMED rumor that Ford has pulled the pin on taxi packs since the BA started.....Commodores were to unreliable...magnas were just s*#t.....Toyotas are only left really....and they run well on L.P.G also !

Why would you want to run a FWD as a taxi? Not saying that they cant pull people all day but I remeber that with my old Apollo/Camry that Toyota allowed 20hours labour to change over the auto transmission. Now Taxi's go thru a couple of Auto's thru their life and the change over cost would be extreemly pricy.

Dave_au · 08-12-2005, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

If you want me to rate domestically built cars based on quality... I'll gladly do so.... these are opinions I have formed from my own experience...

1. Ford Falcon
2. Toyota Camry
3. Toyota Avalon
4. Holden Commodore
5. Mitsubishi Magna

So what goes wrong with the Magnas in your opinion that makes them worse than commodore?

smoo · 08-12-2005, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

And I've never said the Magna is or was a good car. I said it is, IMO, better or as good as the 380, that the 380 isn't really a step forward.

If you want me to rate domestically built cars based on quality... I'll gladly do so.... these are opinions I have formed from my own experience...

1. Ford Falcon
2. Toyota Camry
3. Toyota Avalon
4. Holden Commodore
5. Mitsubishi Magna

Don't know about 380 yet, it's yet to prove itself.

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Originally Posted by Steffo

In less extreme use though... Magna and Camry/Avalon are definitley very good cars.

Can't say the same thing about Commodore though

used:

Have you gone out and compared the Magna and 380 yourself or let Wheels do the work?
I'm skeptical that a car as significant as the 380 is going to be no better or worse than an essentially 10 year old Magna.
I have noticed you like quoting on paper figures. And I am suprised you aren't praising the 380, as it rapes the 3.5 Magna in every department that I can see.

merlin · 08-12-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

If you want me to rate domestically built cars based on quality... I'll gladly do so.... these are opinions I have formed from my own experience...

1. Ford Falcon
2. Toyota Camry
3. Toyota Avalon
4. Holden Commodore
5. Mitsubishi Magna
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What are you defining quality as? build quality? reliability? New list should read
1) Camry
2) Avalon
3) Magna
4) and )5 Tied between the aussies.

I love my Falcons (I've owned two BA's so far) so don't get me wrong but the one area the falc/commodore are way behind is quality. E.g. is there any early BA's getting around without brake shudder, or handbrakes issues? ect. Why do you think people buy the japanese cars...the only thing they have over BF/VZ is better quality.

Steffo · 08-12-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smoo

used:

Have you gone out and compared the Magna and 380 yourself or let Wheels do the work?
I'm skeptical that a car as significant as the 380 is going to be no better or worse than an essentially 10 year old Magna.
I have noticed you like quoting on paper figures. And I am suprised you aren't praising the 380, as it rapes the 3.5 Magna in every department that I can see.

I've been in both back to back, and I don't really like either of them, but if I had to choose one, it would be the Magna. If I was given a 380, sure, I'd take it happily... but buy one with my own money? Nah, don't think so.

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Originally Posted by merlin

What are you defining quality as? build quality? reliability? New list should read
1) Camry
2) Avalon
3) Magna
4) and )5 Tied between the aussies.

I based my list on opinions I'd formed through personal experience. And my personal experience with these cars is mostly through taxi's. And I've never seen any of the others go the distance that Falcons can and do. You can have your own opinion, based on whatever you like, your own experiences, what you prefer.. whatever, no one is stopping you. What I said before was simply my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

So what goes wrong with the Magnas in your opinion that makes them worse than commodore?

They don't seem very durable at all. Especially as a cab (again, where most of my opinion is formed from). The engines don't like to sit idling all day every day, and they're not the friendliest with LPG. The auto's (as was said earlier I think in this thread) aren't particularly strong... cark it alot earlier then Holden's 4-speed clunker or Ford's 4-speeder.

merlin · 08-12-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I based my list on opinions I'd formed through personal experience. And my personal experience with these cars is mostly through taxi's. And I've never seen any of the others go the distance that Falcons can and do. You can have your own opinion, based on whatever you like, your own experiences, what you prefer.. whatever, no one is stopping you. What I said before was simply my opinion.
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No problem, I wasn't specifically talking about taxi's, my post was aimed at private buyers.

Dave_au · 08-12-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I based my list on opinions I'd formed through personal experience.

Haha, I catch cabs all the time, I don't care what brand cab I flag down, I have never been in a cab other than a falcon or a voyager. Never seen a Magna cab in NSW, only SA.

Little silly comparing cars with cabs isn't it - not really representitive of whats on the road.

As for reliability and quality, provided the car recieves scheduled servicing, the list would read imho:

1. The toyotas
2. The magnas just pipping the fords to the post
3. Ford.
4. Holden.

I'm basing them on actually having them - I've had everyone of them in the driveway at some point or another, either company or my own.