Crash. Old car versus...old car...

[2011G6E]

Nasty video of a crash between a nice EK Holden and an XYGT Falcon, unbelievably.
Also a lesson in looking ahead and watching for traffic suddenly slowing down up ahead...the guy in the Falcon obviously didn't notice the cars stopped to turn ahead of him and locked up. Unfortunately someone was coming the other way...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vP5cqzBkaAU

This is the EK after the prang...not too bad.

No photos of the XYGT yet. I wonder how the crash would have turned out if you were not in an EK, but instead in a nice little 5 star rated Kia or something and had a virtual head on like that with a solid old XY...?

[Trevor 57]

Jesus Christ, that is not good, Bright Rod Run I am guessing?

[karj]

Nasty and very unfortunate, but rather than a lesson in paying attention to what is going on ahead, I think it's a lesson not to sit up other peoples ***** on the road.

Take a look at the 3 cars packed like sardines at 1:02

[Ford_The_Win]

The weak body structure (by modern standards) of the XY would probably allow the smaller, lighter Kia to compress the front of the XY, penetrate the cabin and seriously injure whoever was inside. That's my guess. It's been proven time, and time again that the illusion of old cars being solid is just that, an illusion.

[Stazza_Brendan]

Modern cars are designed to be sacrificial. Car can be totally destroyed but the occupants live hopefully without serious injury.

Not much point having your nice old car that can be fixed, if your bedridden the rest of your life.

[JC]

Holy crap. I'm surprised there' only that much damage to the EK. "You right?" "Yeh, I'm right. You right?" Good to know that both driver and passenger were OK - assume the GT occupants survived as well. And the HQ/X/Z (?) wagon up front chucked a u-ey to go back and render help I guess.

[aquahead2001]

This is more appropriate, its living proof they don't build 'em like they used too! Thanks god!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g

[XBROO]

Bloody ford drivers, always look ahead not just the car in front. Feel for the EK driver to loose a car like that. Few dollars to get her back on the road, lets hope it's repairable as they said it's bent underneath.

[2011G6E]

Call me psychic, but I knew that video was going to turn up...

There is a massive problem with that video...that being that many people have noticed the staggering amount of rust (a massive red cloud of it as well as stuff falling out) and crap flung about after impact. Many people, at the time of release, said it would be sad, but how about staging the crash with a fully restored and A1 condition '59 Chev and see what happens...

There were also questions about the chassis...the '59 having an X frame instead of the older Chev style full chassis straight front to rear. That would have been different.

Anyway, back to the crash in the video...I seriously doubt a little flimsy Kia would have crushed the XY like a tin can and gone through into the passenger compartment...mass always wins, and I think it would be more like the passengers of a modern smaller car being able to admire the Cleveland which has suddenly interposed itself into their laps...

[mik]

The gt had already slighty gone sideways , so it was more a glancing blow, as for a little front wheel drive vs an xy or an ek, the ancap always test the weak spots, I would hate to be in a small fwd in a direct head on with either of the oldies.

[Olbucko]

If the 2 cars involved were a new Holden and a new Falcon, the crash may not have happened. The Ford would have stopped in a straight line, and the Holden would have been able to steer and brake at the same time thanks to ABS and stability control, and avoid hitting the Ford.

[The Yeti]

Yea it was at Bright

Fortunatly every one walked away from it, I think thats more due to the driver of the EK than the safety of either car (how calm did he keep to keep it under control and bring it to a safe stop after the hit)

All said and done old cars are not as safe as new cars, air bags abs kenetic seatbelts crush zones (the list goes on) all have their place.

that said, old cars are cool cars, and if all your looking for in a car is safety features you would be on somthing like the volvo forum.

I accept my cars arnt the safest on the road, and for a daily comuter / family car I wouldnt have a 30's car but for my toys I love them and I figure I do arround 50,000km a year ina boring ABC 72 Airbag bucket O crap on weekends I want somthing I enjoy, yea its a risk but its one I accept, you wont catch me in any thing post 65 as a weekend special

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Stazza_Brendan

Modern cars are designed to be sacrificial. Car can be totally destroyed but the occupants live hopefully without serious injury.

Not much point having your nice old car that can be fixed, if your bedridden the rest of your life.

True (and you'll see I agree in the post I made above)

but I think I would rather be bedridden for the rest of my life having had years of cool od cars than only drive boring modern cars always chasing the next latest safety feature or 5star ancap rating, man how boring life would be if I considered a 5 star Ancap safety rating as a reason to upgrade a car (and I know people who have done this, my sister included)

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by JC

Holy crap. I'm surprised there' only that much damage to the EK. "You right?" "Yeh, I'm right. You right?" Good to know that both driver and passenger were OK - assume the GT occupants survived as well. And the HQ/X/Z (?) wagon up front chucked a u-ey to go back and render help I guess.

Yea I noticed that and thaought that was great, so many times Ive seen peple continue on their way after witnessing an accident, I thought it was really good that the wagon stoped and went back, I might only have been able to say are you guys OK but atleast he had the decency to do so

[Mr Hardware]

Volvo forums hey?
maybe not...
http://youtu.be/qBDyeWofcLY

[The Yeti]

Heres some after pics of the EK



this is the corner it landed on



not sure what part of his body did this

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Olbucko

If the 2 cars involved were a new Holden and a new Falcon, the crash may not have happened. The Ford would have stopped in a straight line, and the Holden would have been able to steer and brake at the same time thanks to ABS and stability control, and avoid hitting the Ford.

Spot on. Primary safety is getting out of control in new cars, in a good way of course. If the XY was a late model car with radar cruise control like so many do now there wouldn't even have been a close call in that situation!

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

Volvo forums hey?
maybe not...
http://youtu.be/qBDyeWofcLY

man thats awsome its kinda like automotive porn

thats made my day seeing a volvo and a renolt performing metalic intercourse

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Anyway, back to the crash in the video...I seriously doubt a little flimsy Kia would have crushed the XY like a tin can and gone through into the passenger compartment...mass always wins, and I think it would be more like the passengers of a modern smaller car being able to admire the Cleveland which has suddenly interposed itself into their laps...

An XY weighed about 1360 kgs brand new.

A 'flimsy' 2012 Kia Rio weighs about 1215kgs. Must be weighed down by all those side intrusion bars, crumple zones, and airbags!!

It cracks me up when people assume old cars are heavy (and well built) They may look nice, but the 'Fred Flintstone' engineering of the old girls is scary.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

Spot on. Primary safety is getting out of control in new cars, in a good way of course. If the XY was a late model car with radar cruise control like so many do now there wouldn't even have been a close call in that situation!

yes and the bigger danger would be falling asleap at the wheel casue the late model cars are so booring

o then you have that new anti fatigue thing where it detects your eyes moving and tells you to pull over, trouble is with that feature I would be asked to pull over for a nap every 15 mins

becasue the cars are so bloody boring

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Call me psychic, but I knew that video was going to turn up...

There is a massive problem with that video...that being that many people have noticed the staggering amount of rust (a massive red cloud of it as well as stuff falling out) and crap flung about after impact. Many people, at the time of release, said it would be sad, but how about staging the crash with a fully restored and A1 condition '59 Chev and see what happens...

Probably something very similar. Having a full frame and no rust wouldn't stop the non-collapsible steering column from getting rammed into your head, along with those knife-like blade chrome trims cutting your face and neck. And if you're unfortunate, the all-metal dash and glove box lid might slice into your torso if you're the front passenger. Who'd choose a flimsy Kia over that?

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Anyway, back to the crash in the video...I seriously doubt a little flimsy Kia would have crushed the XY like a tin can and gone through into the passenger compartment...mass always wins, and I think it would be more like the passengers of a modern smaller car being able to admire the Cleveland which has suddenly interposed itself into their laps...

I strongly suggest all you skeptics watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_7zEVujB6s

In that video the focus is on wearing seat belts...but I don't think a seatbelt would stop the flimsy door latches from breaking open or the bench seats from dislodging themselves and going out the car. Absolute disaster.
Older cars are not as solid or safe as newer ones, it's a result of 50+ years of automotive engineering & improvement and billions of dollars of development money spent.

[MAGPIE]

Good example of why you should pull off the road onto the shoulder when wanting to turn right off a rural road.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by mik

The gt had already slighty gone sideways

Look again, it was more than slightly sideways

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

man how boring life would be if I considered a 5 star Ancap safety rating as a reason to upgrade a car (and I know people who have done this, my sister included)

I have a sister-in-law the same...her primary and only requirement for buying a car is how many stars, and a minimum of six airbags. She is, honestly, frightened to drive even a short run to the shops in the passenger seat of my '82 Celica...literally frightened to silence as we drove through traffic.
When we owned our '57 Morris Minor, she thought it was "cute", but actually refused full stop to set foot inside it to go somewhere...

How anyone can live like that, in a constant state of terror, is beyond me...

[XWGT]

This used to be my biggest fear in the XW GT....especially on open 100 kph roads with fellow enthusiasts.

The bottom line is these cars just dont stop or turn. At all. And as people just love pushing into the 3 to 5 second gap your have deliberaly left to the next car, its always a stressful drive trying to keep away from the muppets.

Glad everyone got out alright. Commiserations on the cars.

[FPV-HSV]

Feel sorry for the owners of the cars!

Here the guys last work aha i would have said the same thing...!

The main thing is everyone is ok.

Keen on pics of the GT tho,

[Cabbage]

Gee that could have been alot worse, driver did well not to roll that Holden. Would be interested to see how the gt faired, it seemed to get a fair whack. Glad no-one got seriously hurt.

[noosacuda]

Originally Posted by aquahead2001

This is more appropriate, its living proof they don't build 'em like they used too! Thanks god!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g

I'm quite sure that is set up, the 1959 Chevrolet has aluminium front panels and strategic weakening done as per cars used in movies to make smashes look more "dramatic" George Barris did it in the '50's and '60's for movies!
Yes, modern cars are safer, mostly, but then i'd rather be in my 2100kg, 5.6m 1966 Chrysler than a Korean Coke Can.

[Agent86]

Ol mate driving the EK needs a big pat on the back for being so calm under pressure.

Sadly, that incident was due to driver innatention.

Its a large risk on any run, especially one as sizeable as bright was.
I see the concertina effect like that almost daily around melbourne.
Its a shame thatit ocoured but its avoidable.

Glad to hear all were ok though and damn its great to see someone actually take the time to assist/ check on people after an incident. Too many just drive on like nothing happened.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Heres some after pics of the EK

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this is the corner it landed on
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not sure what part of his body did this
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That looks like it was probably an elbow into that door.
I'll bet it's sore today.