Ford Recalls 89k 2013 Ford Fusion's.

[Buntz]

Oh for goodness sake Ford. 1.6L EcoBoost still causing troubles with engine fires.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/f...er-engine-fir/

Ford has announced a recall of 89,153 vehicles equipped with 1.6-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder engines over the possibility of overheating and, in some instances, fires starting in the engine compartment. The brand new 2013 Fusion accounts for 15,833 of the affected models, the other 73,320 being the 2013 Escape. This is the fourth time the recently launched Escape has been recalled, and this is the third time the recall has involved the 1.6-liter engine.

In a statement issued Friday, Ford confirmed that there have been new reports of these engines overheating, resulting in fires while the engine is running. No injuries have been reported in conjunction with this issue, and Ford states that the affected vehicles' instrument clusters may display warning notifications reading, "Engine Power Reduced to Lower Temps" or "Engine over temp, stop safely."

Ford is currently working on a repair procedure and will notify owners as soon as a fix is found. In the meantime, the automaker is urging owners to stop driving these affected vehicles and to contact a Ford dealer to arrange for alternate transportation at no charge. Owners in the United States may call 866.436.7332 for assistance with securing a different set of wheels (888.222.7814 in Canada).

Fusion and Escape models equipped with 2.5-liter naturally aspirated and 2.0-liter turbocharged engines are not affected by this recall. The Fusion Hybrid is also not affected.

Scroll down to read Ford's official release, which also contains details on how to see if your vehicle is affected by this recall simply by looking at the VIN.

How are they packaging these 1.6L's that they causing fires in the engine bay. (Maybe they should give them to FoA. They seem to be on a winner with their latest offerings, and no engine fires can I ever recall.)

[Buntz]

Sorry thread title should say Fusions, and Escapes. - dammit

[Fiesta_Man69]

Three recalls for one engine? What does this say about Fords testing? Engine fires, as reported in the article, are very serious: this news must be turning people off - the risk to your family travelling in the car: is it worth it?

[ltd]

Not a good look.
I doubt ford will be as close to the top of the JD Power quality survey this year.

Hopefully the repair is found promptly so it doesn't affect the image of all the different ecoboost engines. As for Fords response though with free alternate travel arrangements etc; outstanding.

[neptune blue]

Meh
Massed produced cars built to a price not a standard
They are not building a Mercedes or rolls Royce
not the first and they won't be the last

[Wretched]

not a good look at all. hopefully just isolated to the US.

a little more from jalopnik

"There was a 'pop' sound in the engine area. Instantly, the accelerator had no response, the high engine temperature warning light came on, and then all warning lights, gauges, & tachometer all went dead. Luckily, we were adjacent to an exit ramp, and we coasted to a stop...Immediately, white steam came out of the engine compartment. Knowing the third recall dealt with the "risk of engine fires", we got out, and moved well away from the vehicle. Within minutes, brown, oily smoke came out from under the hood. Then flames came out from under the hood, at the windshield and out the sides of the engine compartment. Then the car burst into flames and was destroyed."

http://jalopnik.com/5965004/ford-tel...ery-cars-again

[mik]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Three recalls for one engine? What does this say about Fords testing? Engine fires, as reported in the article, are very serious: this news must be turning people off - the risk to your family travelling in the car: is it worth it?

Agreed, they obviously dropped the ball on this one, they need to work out a fail safe stradegy (no bean counter influence), to get product qaulity control assured before sale.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Wretched

not a good look at all. hopefully just isolated to the US.

a little more from jalopnik



http://jalopnik.com/5965004/ford-tel...ery-cars-again

Wow that is nasty. Does not sound good at all. Maybe that pop is very telling of what the problem is, but what the hell is the problem with the 1.6L EB, and/or it's packaging in the U.S? And why don't we hear problems of other 1.6 EB's in other markets?

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Three recalls for one engine? What does this say about Fords testing? Engine fires, as reported in the article, are very serious: this news must be turning people off - the risk to your family travelling in the car: is it worth it?

Please don't turn this into another one of your Ford bashing sessions. Or I will get the moderators involved.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Lol. This from the person who began the thread. Pot. Kettle. Black.

3 recalls on one engine is unacceptable (what other modern engine has been recalled 3 times and still not fixed). Feel free to disagree.

Good to hear that customers are being looked after tho: Ford Aus could learn something here.

[BHDOGS]

good on ford for doing a recall and doing the right thing just like every other car maker usually does

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Lol. This from the person who began the thread. Pot. Kettle. Black.

I wanted to discuss it with the mature members. They would like to know this info.

[flappist]

Keep it civil and on topic please

[2011G6E]

Backfire of some sort?
We used to have backfire problems with our old TE Cortina after something went wrong with the timing and the Holley. It used to actually burn a big hole in the foam element in the Ram Flo air cleaner we had fitted. In a more modern car with more plastic under the hood as well as an extremely high pressure EFI system, a small fire could become a very serious fire in short order.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Ford Aus could learn something here.

I think we can all agree that Ford Australia is being extremely pro-active with their interactions with customers, as they are indeed working hard on building their brand through advertising, motor show presence and willingness to get customers involved in their developments.
What's happened in the past is the past and frankly EVERY brand has had recalls that have not gone well.
If Ford Australia had a serious recall issue that they were currently ignoring then I'd gladly agree with you, but seeing as they are hammering their dealers to address issues immediately I think the "Ford Aus could learn something here" tag is a little harsh.

Ford USA has a serious problem with the 1.6 ecoboost, let's give the CEO Alan Mulally a chance to address the problem; after all he did save ford when all the other US manufacturers went chapter 11 and took billions in bailouts.
We know he has power meetings with his heads every morning, we can just imagine what the topic is every day at the moment.

[Jastel]

Article in USA paper today re this says Ford has had 90 recalls in 5 years compared to 70 for GM, and has fallen from top 5 reliability to 10th.

They did say that Ford was trying hard with new technology etc to improve economy and this was good.

Still 90000 unhappy owners but. The Escape is popular over here for cabs so that wont go down well, the Fusion, not so much but have seen a few.

[Buntz]

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/11/f...13-escape-and/

From the press release in the link. Fix in the works.

Ford Produces Fix in Voluntary Safety Recall of 2013 Escapes, 2013 Fusions with 1.6-liter Engines

-Ford today announced a corrective action to address potential engine overheating that could result in engine fires in 2013 Ford Escape SE and SEL models with the 1.6-liter engine and 2013 Ford Fusion SE and SEL models with the 1.6-liter engine

-Ford will make updates to the cooling system software to better manage engine temperatures during a unique overheating condition. Original cooling system design was not able to address a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions. The new software will resolve this issue

-Escapes equipped with the 2.0-liter and 2.5-liter engines are unaffected as are Fusions equipped with 2.5-liter and hybrid engines

-Ford remains absolutely committed to continuously improving and providing the highest-quality vehicles to its customers. When a potential issue is identified, Ford acts promptly on behalf of customers

DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 10, 2012 – Ford Motor Company today announced a corrective action to address potential engine overheating that could result in engine fires in SE and SEL models of the 2013 Ford Escape and Ford Fusion models equipped with 1.6-liter engines. The vehicles were subjects of a voluntary safety recall announced Nov. 30.

An intensive, cross-discipline engineering team at Ford worked to identify the root cause of the extreme engine overheating condition.

To fix the condition, Ford will make software updates to the cooling system of the 1.6-liter engine available in the SE and SEL models of the 2013 Ford Escape and 2013 Ford Fusion. The software updates will better manage engine temperatures during a unique overheating condition that could occur under unique operating conditions. The original cooling system design was not able to address a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions, which could lead to a vehicle fire while the engine was running.

"We remain absolutely committed to continuously improving and providing the highest-quality vehicles to our customers. When a potential issue is identified, we act promptly on behalf of our customers, as we did this time," said Raj Nair, Ford Group Vice President, Global Product Development.

Ford is now working to deliver the software and repair procedure to its dealers. The company will begin notifying customers so they can schedule service appointments with dealers.

Beginning early next week, customers will be able to get the software update at their dealer. The time needed for this repair is less than one-half day. However, due to service
scheduling requirements, a dealer may need the vehicle for a longer period of time.

Until the cooling software is updated, customers driving 2013 Escape vehicles equipped with the 1.6-liter engine and 2013 Fusion models equipped with the 1.6-liter engine have been advised to contact their dealer to arrange for alternative transportation at no charge.

Some drivers who have experienced high engine temperatures followed by engine fires have said that their clusters have shown the message "Engine Power Reduced to Lower Temps" or "Engine over temp, stop safely." Some also indicated that their instrument clusters sounded a chime and illuminated a red light.

Ford advised drivers who see any of these indications to safely pull off the road as soon as possible, turn off the engine and exit the vehicle.

Notifications have been sent to customers affected by the recall.

Bloody Software.

[Franco Cozzo]

Wonder if Ford will decide to let the owners burn in their cars because its cheaper to pay out compo claims than do the right thing again?

Accountants, they have no soul, no conscience, its $$$ before everything else.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Wonder if Ford will decide to let the owners burn in their cars because its cheaper to pay out compo claims than do the right thing again?

Accountants, they have no soul, no conscience, its $$$ before everything else.

Hey, that's out of line, Ford put out a do not drive as soon as they received info on five related under hood fires..
Not only did they put out a recall.do not drive, they arranged immediate replacement vehicle hire and picked up vehicles
from people's homes. Further they have told owners they would be covered for any overheat damage if one occurred.


The issue has to do with software regulation engine temperature and a bypass solenoid in the block.
The problem can be cured by uploading a patch into the computer,
half of the cars recalled haven't been delivered yet..

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Wonder if Ford will decide to let the owners burn in their cars because its cheaper to pay out compo claims than do the right thing again?

Accountants, they have no soul, no conscience, its $$$ before everything else.

As an Accountant that works for a huge global company, I’m sick of people thinking Accountants are the ones making these kind of calls. All I can say is "no idea!!"