Personally Controlled Electronic Health Record

[ch33z1l]

A personally controlled eHealth record is a secure online summary of your health information. You control what goes into it, and who is allowed to access it.

Your eHealth record allows you and your doctors, hospitals and other healthcare providers to view and share your health information to provide you with the best possible care.

An eHealth record gives you more control over your health information than ever before, placing you at the centre of Australia’s health system.

All Australians can register online now. Head over to http://www.ehealth.gov.au/internet/e...f/content/home

[Burnout]

I'm sorry you are deluded enough to believe that it is secure.

[12slotter]

And i cant wait for the RFID CHIP .....NOT

[Charliewool]

Yet another Orwellian / Big Brother intrusion into our individual privacy?
Just HOW much more do "they" need to know about us?
I remember the public outcry when an "Australia Card" was proposed and howled down back in the 80's!
The irony is with the Tax File No., Medicare, Centrelink, ASIC, and the myriad of Government databases knowing virtually everything there is to know about a person, the old Aussie Card arrived incognito anyhow.

[12slotter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xwf0dP1XBw If the link dont work just YouTube RFID Sure enough if this goes ahead we'll be next in line ...personally i'd go for the bar code

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Yet another Orwellian / Big Brother intrusion into our individual privacy?
Just HOW much more do "they" need to know about us?
I remember the public outcry when an "Australia Card" was proposed and howled down back in the 80's!
The irony is with the Tax File No., Medicare, Centrelink, ASIC, and the myriad of Government databases knowing virtually everything there is to know about a person, the old Aussie Card arrived incognito anyhow.

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather just have one card in my wallet which is everything I need, like bank card, drivers license, medicare card, etc.

Or have it tied to your retina, want to buy something? Just look in this scanner, pulled over by mr policeman? Look here please etc.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather just have one card in my wallet which is everything I need, like bank card, drivers license, medicare card, etc.

Or have it tied to your retina, want to buy something? Just look in this scanner, pulled over by mr policeman? Look here please etc.

Not sure on having my bank accounts linked to what you suggest? But, look, "they" know it all anyhow I suppose, and not a damn thing we can do about it eh? This gradual, ever increasing intrusion on our personal details has come about without a whimper from the average 'Joe blow'. Which is my main point. Damo, i agree to an extent with your simplistic idea of one card with your details.. But also reckon it's open to pretty serious abuse? I'll probably get flamed here by the conspiricy theorist gestapo, but mate, read 1984 (george orwell) and see how close the guy was.

[karj]

Originally Posted by Burnout

I'm sorry you are deluded enough to believe that it is secure.

Originally Posted by 12slotter

And i cant wait for the RFID CHIP .....NOT

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Yet another Orwellian / Big Brother intrusion into our individual privacy?
Just HOW much more do "they" need to know about us?
I remember the public outcry when an "Australia Card" was proposed and howled down back in the 80's!
The irony is with the Tax File No., Medicare, Centrelink, ASIC, and the myriad of Government databases knowing virtually everything there is to know about a person, the old Aussie Card arrived incognito anyhow.

Whilst I understand these sentiments and I won't be signing up for it (at least not yet anyway), this is actually a really good thing for people with complex health problems, or vulnerable people such as the elderly. I can see it immediately reducing the risk of doctors prescribing medications that people may be allergic to, or prescribing medications that don't interact well with other medication that a patient may be taking.

[mik]

Originally Posted by karj

Whilst I understand these sentiments and I won't be signing up for it (at least not yet anyway), this is actually a really good thing for people with complex health problems, or vulnerable people such as the elderly. I can see it immediately reducing the risk of doctors prescribing medications that people may be allergic to, or prescribing medications that don't interact well with other medication that a patient may be taking.

it probably has some good sides, i know the local gp generally has your health history on computer, he is tied to medicare , so surely it would`nt be too hard for a hospital to find the said gp and get medical data, on the other hand in an emergency that might be a tad slow, but a lot of people with special ailments wear the medical pendant/locket with relevant info which is probably as good.
As for security, i would`nt trust them as far as i can kick them.

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by Burnout

I'm sorry you are deluded enough to believe that it is secure.

No less secure than where they are stored at the moment, probably more so. At the same time, it does present as a likely target for hackers.

I'm not informed enough to tell you the exact security measures are in place - but the ehealth site does contain alot of information about security and your privacy if you have any concerns

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by mik

it probably has some good sides, i know the local gp generally has your health history on computer, he is tied to medicare , so surely it would`nt be too hard for a hospital to find the said gp and get medical data, on the other hand in an emergency that might be a tad slow, but a lot of people with special ailments wear the medical pendant/locket with relevant info which is probably as good.
As for security, i would`nt trust them as far as i can kick them.

If you visit a GP out of state, or overseas even, you can allow them to access your PCEHR and they can view all your relevant medical history.

There was quite a large number of deaths in previous years contributed to misdiagnosis, data entry errors, handwritten notes, no access to previous medical history - and the PCEHR hopes to solve these issues by linking to GP, hospital, after care, aged care, pharmacy systems.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather just have one card in my wallet which is everything I need, like bank card, drivers license, medicare card, etc.

Or have it tied to your retina, want to buy something? Just look in this scanner, pulled over by mr policeman? Look here please etc.

Interesting.

I am just wondering if you have no issue with anyone being able to know everything about you regardless of their reasons why do you post on the forum as "Big Damo" instead of your real name and why do you not have you actual home address and phone number in the location field of your UCP......

I have no interest in the receptionist or cleaner at a clinic or pharmacy being able to see my bank balance, types of cars I own, where I have been, what I have bought and who my friends are and whatever else.

[TZENU]

Another baby step for the nwo.

[poppa smurf]

probably a good thing for travellers.....our private affairs are already "out there" for all to see......far more than we would possibly like .....but there are data bases held on each and every one of us....I don't particularly care as I don't see myself as important enough for the "larger players" of this world to bother with little old me

my health records are on computer thank christ but strangely I'm not allowed the pass word to access them......might worry myself sick and need a doctor and we all know that takes a week or more providing they aren't too busy

but if I get crook interstate I have the relevant details to allow the local quacks to take a peek at my records

if anyone is nosy enough or bored enough to want to know me that intimately then I don't mind, after all if knowing about my stroke or depression or my bout of haemorrhoids last year makes them happy well so be it.....

certainly doesn't bother me

the reception staff at the clinic know my personal details, after all they replace the hard copies and of course they all have friends so who knows ......who knows what

anyone only has to ask me and I will bore the crap out of them about my illnesses.......now don't be frightened kiddies let me tell you about the time my stomach turned septic.......ooh! now that was nasty, yellow/green muck and THE PAIN!!!.......Oh THE PAIN!!!!

phone me and we can talk for hours about it!!!!!!

1 card to do all......that would be fantastic.....but I'd lose the bloody thing.......bring on the eyeball whatsit but not the left one, thats my good one, whack it in the right one, cant see out of that one too good,

ring me and I'll tell you about the lump of steel I got stuck in there from the grinder, 8" long and 6" round it was and OH THE PAIN! THE PAIN!

[Maka]

I have some misgivings about it - while i can see the initiative's merits, every bit of info in one place makes it very attractive to exploitation imo. In this day & age trust can be a costly commodity. Anyway your health records can be accessed on online already cant they?

ps, i love your honesty Poppa, ya champion!

cheers, Maka

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by Maka

Anyway your health records can be accessed on online already cant they?cheers, Maka

Not for all Australians. There a a few specialised systems for Chronic Disease patients, and GP's can access your xrays, etc online. The PCEHR will go live in July 2013 and will be available to all Australian's who register. It will be a complete health summary in addition to the records stored on the GP's system.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by ch33z1l

Not for all Australians. There a a few specialised systems for Chronic Disease patients, and GP's can access your xrays, etc online. The PCEHR will go live in July 2013 and will be available to all Australian's who register. It will be a complete health summary in addition to the records stored on the GP's system.

Thanks for the info ch33z1l, i'll just see how things pan out for the next year or so - i'm sitting on the fence!

cheers, Maka

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by flappist

Interesting.

I am just wondering if you have no issue with anyone being able to know everything about you regardless of their reasons why do you post on the forum as "Big Damo" instead of your real name and why do you not have you actual home address and phone number in the location field of your UCP......

I have no interest in the receptionist or cleaner at a clinic or pharmacy being able to see my bank balance, types of cars I own, where I have been, what I have bought and who my friends are and whatever else.

It wouldn't be hard to put 2 and 2 together with the little bits of info about me on the forum I've given away, from pictures of cars, what cars I own, train line I occasionally travel on etc, which mechanic I've recommended, one forum member identified my car at a train station as its pretty distinct.

I've also got Facebook, so even though most of my personal details aren't on AFF, if you tried hard enough I'm sure you could find out who I am.

Lets face it, the receptionist at the clinic knows my name, what I'm at the doctors for, people have seen me, my car, my rego plate, the person behind the counter at the bank has seen my bank balance, the people at the shops see me regularly and they know what I buy, the restaurants i frequent know who I am etc.

We've all got tax file numbers, so people can see all our earnings, interest etc, people at Centrelink can see everything when you go for a meeting etc.

Amazon.com tracks what I buy and they send me ads based on what I spend my money on, smarter way to advertise.

Youtube tracks what I watch to recommend me videos based on my previous viewings etc.

Myki here in Victoria is now the only way to use public transport (unless you're a Vline customer) which they can monitor where you got on and got off, which train, line, what time etc.

I guess you don't really have a say in it, because its going to happen one day, just hope its tied into biometrics or DNA, something not so easy to reproduce.

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by ch33z1l

No less secure than where they are stored at the moment, probably more so.

Recent example here: http://www.australiandoctor.com.au/n...yber-criminals

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It wouldn't be hard to put 2 and 2 together with the little bits of info about me on the forum I've given away, from pictures of cars, what cars I own, train line I occasionally travel on etc, which mechanic I've recommended, one forum member identified my car at a train station as its pretty distinct.

I've also got Facebook, so even though most of my personal details aren't on AFF, if you tried hard enough I'm sure you could find out who I am.

Lets face it, the receptionist at the clinic knows my name, what I'm at the doctors for, people have seen me, my car, my rego plate, the person behind the counter at the bank has seen my bank balance, the people at the shops see me regularly and they know what I buy, the restaurants i frequent know who I am etc.

We've all got tax file numbers, so people can see all our earnings, interest etc, people at Centrelink can see everything when you go for a meeting etc.

Amazon.com tracks what I buy and they send me ads based on what I spend my money on, smarter way to advertise.

Youtube tracks what I watch to recommend me videos based on my previous viewings etc.

Myki here in Victoria is now the only way to use public transport (unless you're a Vline customer) which they can monitor where you got on and got off, which train, line, what time etc.

I guess you don't really have a say in it, because its going to happen one day, just hope its tied into biometrics or DNA, something not so easy to reproduce.

While that all may be true right now a receptionist in western Sydney cannot funnel all of this at once through a VPN to Russia or Romania and suddenly you are in debt up to your ears and have committed crimes all over the world.

[poppa smurf]

actually in todays world she easily could......there have been many instances where personal records were sold whether legally or otherwise

many records are being bought and sold quite legitimately through to and from big retailers at the moment

your shopping habits and personal taste for consumables is a highly sought after commodity

the health industry is no different, drug companies spend squillions to "target" the most profitable "new" drug

travel, vehicle purchase, fuel.....your spending habit all being watched by many means

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by poppa smurf

actually in todays world she easily could......there have been many instances where personal records were sold whether legally or otherwise

Or they can hack them...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-1...centre/4418676

Russian hackers are holding a Gold Coast medical centre to ransom after encrypting thousands of patient health records.

The hackers are demanding a ransom of $4,000 to decrypt the sensitive information held on a server at the Miami Family Medical Centre.

IT security expert Nigel Phair says this latest attack is a "wake-up call" with businesses around Australia hacked five to 10 times a week.

"Cyber criminals based mainly throughout Eastern Europe look for rich targets, places with identifying information to extort," said Mr Phair, the director of the Centre for Internet Safety and a former investigator with the Australian High-Tech Crime Centre.

Mr Phair says health professions that store valuable information are the biggest target with small-to-medium hacking operations that collect credit card details.

David Wood, co-owner of the Miami Family Medical Centre, says they thought they had a good system in place.

"We've got all the antivirus stuff in place - there's no sign of a virus. They literally got in, hijacked the server and then ran their encryption software," he said.

"It's people who know how to break in past firewalls and hack passwords to get onto the server."

He has reassured patients that the data has not been stolen.

"It's secure in the sense that no-one's taken any of it," he said.

"We're trying to work out how to pay the hackers or find someone to decrypt the information."
'Only option is to pay'

The server with encrypted information is being held offline and an IT contractor is working with the practice to restore a backup of patient records.

Mr Phair says the information may be lost permanently.

"At this point, most probably, their only option is to pay," he said.

"Though that's not the best option because as we know from extortion that once you pay they'll follow that up."

"They might follow it up saying they want another payment or partially decrypt some of the information."


Mr Phair says the hackers are not easy to trace and international police investigations are difficult, reducing the chance of retrieving information without paying a ransom.

"It's not impossible, just time intensive," Mr Phair said.

"The hackers will hide their traces and their steps really well - they could be based anywhere in the European continent.

"In a lot of those places law enforcement isn't that strong and so it's difficult to get cooperation with [local] police."

The seemingly low ransom price is a strategy of the hackers to increase their chances of collecting.

"It's similar to traditional fraud in that you keep the value low and the volume high, so you can get $4,000," Mr Phair said.

The Miami Family Medical Centre will continue to operate, even though Mr Wood admits it is "very, very, very difficult" without patient records.

"What medication you're on can be retrieved from the pharmacists [and] pathology results can be gotten back from pathology," he said.

Mr Wood warns other businesses to "check your IT security and don't leave backups connected to servers".

And if you think government intrawebs are secure... think again.

[poppa smurf]

yep!.....

[Barnaby]

What I would be concerned about is private health insurance companies buying access and basing their cover to you on your data.