MK 2 Panel Van Respray

[aranciaman]

Just had a quote to have the 76 Panel Van resprayed. All rust cut out and plates welded in place, minimal bog. The guy tells me I will be hard pressed to see a ripple anywhere on the vehicle, straight as a die he reckons. 5500 to 6000 is the quote.
I think that is a lot but also realise that they are pretty rare now and you just don't see them around anymore. Does that seem like over capitilisation? It will make the finished project an 8 - 10000 dollar car but it will be pretty schmick.
Thoughts?
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[Starlightblue]

i would have thought thats a pretty low price for a full squirt! are you doing engine bay and door jams etc?

[aranciaman]

Mmmmm Goodo. Yep all door jams, insides of doors and engine bay. Lifting it on a hoist and squirting the underside as well.

[benny_mac]

Pending how good the body is now, that sounds like a pretty damn good price. If i had the cash to pay someone to do it and i trusted them to do it properly, i would out source it. Especially for $6000.
My thoughts, As far as over capitalising, the short answer is yes, you probably wouldn't get $10000 if were to sell it, unless its a sundowner. The long answer is no, because for most people (including my self) restoring cars is a hobby and an interest and not a money making excercise.
Good luck with ya build.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Not sure, but seems way too cheap IMO. $6000 does not buy a lot of panel work, sounds like it will be a quick bog and sand back job for that, with a couple of coats of colour thrown on to hide the dodgy work.

Unless of course it's a family member or good mate doing the work not charging for their own labour and time.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Agree that it is on the low side. Are you helping with any of the labour?

I would be asking to see some of their recent work, as well as some work that is a few years old if possible. If they can't offer you past customers you will know why.

[aranciaman]

No, I am not helping with the work at all. He did comment that it was in much better condition than he expected. It is pretty straight but has a few standard rust spots to be fixed but nothing catastrophical. He specialises in old cars and is just starting up for himself with several other guys. Has worked around other shops in the area but his passion is old car restoration which is what the business focus is that they are starting up. He has a good name around the paint shops in town. Said he would want it for about 60 days so that they could get it right. Half money up front and half at end. I am going to get other quotes but I thought that one was a lot and now I am being told its too cheap. I'm a bit worried about getting more quotes now.

[Starlightblue]

i know this is extreme but i spent $30k getting my gt painted and that was giving them the car stripped and i had to put back together and that was also with me doing the underside. That was for concoarse though,so 6k is cheap

[jpblue1000]

whats your intention with the car?
for an escort daily driver Id be wary about spending that sort of coin on it, as it will cost more than the car is worth, though of course it depends on what he is charging for panel and paint vs rust repair. For a daily driver where the paint doesn't need to be perfect there are cheaper options (if your in or near a city).

For a full show car it is very cheap and will probably be body filler over flat sheet rust repairs and dents, rather than forming panels to suit and metal finishing. At a reasonable 80 dollars and hour the sum minus paint allows for approximately a week and a half work.

As an example this is a 8 years old 500 dollar paint job!



The bonnet is beginning to show signs of heat effect and has dulled off the rest bar the odd stone chip is still quite shiny and smooth. Though I accept its hardly a daily driver but it used the best quality paints, I did all the work but it would be more than acceptable on a nice road car.

I guess if it's a road car how has the quote been broken down into paint and prep?

JP

[aranciaman]

Thanks JPBlue1000, I do intend on using it as a daily drive, well not daily but it isn't going to be a show car. I do want it neat and dont want it to look like a dogs breakfast but hadn't really intended on spending 6000 when I embarked on this journey. I had kind of hoped for about half of that and the guy did tell me that we could nearly halve the quote if willing to overlook a few bumps or ripples and didn't want the hours spend completely staightening it out. I still want it straight though. but am unsure of the length to go. I had planned on the overall project being a 6000 dollar build to finish and allowed about 3000 for paint and panel. He told me that about 500 of that was paint and supplies, the rest is labour.

[allanv6gt]

I spent about $1000 on 8lt acrylic paint, 20lt thinners and 6lt undercoat around 4-5 yrs ago - materials only. I prep'd and painted myself. Looks reasonable for a handyman job. A 2 metre car. And I'll be able to touch it up myself when the need arises.

2-pak will be more expensive for materials.

But $6k for professional paint/panel is a ..... bargain.
Even more a bargain if they are trying to start their business and build a reputation. Sounds like you are getting a discount rate thereby earning your goodwill when the job is done. Very much a positive thing. And yes, check some of their other work.

A $6k job - $2k spray job = $4K prep. Only 40hrs prep labour, which includes your rust repairs, dent removal, sanding etc etc.......

I've heard $10k figures mentioned by some club members for a decent job.
Another club member had their RX7 sprayed for $4k over existing panel work with only minor prep.

Remember, the paint is only the final step.
If the prep is poor, the nice new paint only makes the job look even worse. More time on prep means better final job (or should !!).

Just stay away from shopping malls with their wayward trolleys.....

And accept you'll never get your money back - it's a hobby.
Try boating costs for comparison !!

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Well for a decent job 6K is cheap, a quality show car respray/resto can easily cost $20-80K. When my coupe was painted I was getting quotes for around 30K with the beater telling me that it might go up once he starts, and my car was 100% rust free, it needed zero rust repairs, and no rust repairs were done during restoration/respray.

Ended up getting it done by a mate for a lot less, but still a lot more than 6k, and that was me doing a LOT of the work like stripping and cleaning parts and getting coffees etc etc.

I would not bother trying to get quotes cheaper that 6K, but just for fun try it and see how you go. Most panel shops will not even touch the car or bother looking at it.

At the end getting a car painted is like everything else you get what you pay for, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

This come up Ok

[allanv6gt]

XB - OMG !!!! A mirror finish. Truly gorgeous. Just keep the birds away from it.
Must have been a LOT of coffees.

(Aahh, the nostrils bring back memories of my '74 XB with nostrils (burnt orange, white vinyl roof, black nostrils + bonnet pins......)

[aranciaman]

mmm, well this is all great but I am not building a show car, I just want a neat ride to drive around in. My fear is that I would be too afraid to take it out of the shed after spending that much on it. I do thank you all for your input but I still thing that 6 is too much. I have recently spoken to the paint shop in town and they also feel the same. they felt that with that sort of money I am getting a show car finish and they told me that there are several guys in town that will do a really neat finish for a lot less than that. It obviously wont be a show finish but it will still be straight and shiny. I'll continue to look I think.

[jpblue1000]

There are paint shops around doing a respray for 699 advertised on the high street no mates rates. sure the paint quality wont be awesome and the paint may need additional care over its life but to get a uniform color and appearance its not bad money. Adding body filling of major dents and imperfections will add a bit add rust repair though and that's where I think a lot of the 6K will go. depending on where the rust is will determine thew ultimate cost. sills and boot lower 1/4's are available, but heater plenums boot floors and rear door surrounds are not available thus expensive to hand make.
Where are you located

JP

[wombat2509]

The Quote is for paint and body work, when I had my Capri done it didn't have a lot of rust either but if you want it done properly it will not be "cheap".My paint job was $3K rust was close to $1500 and the interior work $500, so $5k for rust removal and just a recoat, as they say it is a 10 foot car get any closer and you can pick it to pieces if you are that way inclined.



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[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

There are paint shops around doing a respray for 699 advertised on the high street no mates rates. sure the paint quality wont be awesome and the paint may need additional care over its life but to get a uniform color and appearance its not bad money. Adding body filling of major dents and imperfections will add a bit add rust repair though and that's where I think a lot of the 6K will go. depending on where the rust is will determine thew ultimate cost. sills and boot lower 1/4's are available, but heater plenums boot floors and rear door surrounds are not available thus expensive to hand make.
Where are you located

JP

Mate $699 won't even cover cost of materials for a basic respray. Try buying some etch primer, body filler, 4 liters of primer, 4 liters of paint, 4 liters of prepsol, and 20 liters of thinner, a few rolls of masking tape, some masking paper, a few sheets of wet and dry sand paper. And you would be looking at over $699. and a days labour (it takes more than a day to tape up and paint a car even with no repairs) would be $500 at a minimum. Then spray booth hire.

So imagine the quality of a $699 job. they won't even wipe the dead bugs off before they paint over everything, I spend more in booth hire and masking tape than $699

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Mate $699 won't even cover cost of materials for a basic respray.

Mate! Im not saying do it, Im not saying it will be a good job. I am saying I have seen high street signs advertising a $699 respray as recently and november 2012.
As I said in my post I doubt the quote covers bodywork and certainly not rust repair. It will be a light scuff of the existing paint and a blow over with a cheap 2 pac.
No need for filler or etch primer, tape up the glass and lights and whatever doesn't need paint in 1-2 hours (1 day is too slow) and into the booth.
2-3 litres of 2 pac will be 2-250 maybe less wholesale and some wet and dry.
Here is an example of a 110 dollar paint job, Did it myself so Know what needs doing for a quicky. $56 for 4 litres of Matt black used 2.5, 44 for thinners and 10 bucks for tape and 800 wet. took 1 day to sand and 2 hours to mask and 2 hours to paint.




JP

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Come up good, must have been pretty straight to start with

[JC]

Originally Posted by aranciaman

No, I am not helping with the work at all. He did comment that it was in much better condition than he expected. It is pretty straight but has a few standard rust spots to be fixed but nothing catastrophical. He specialises in old cars and is just starting up for himself with several other guys. Has worked around other shops in the area but his passion is old car restoration which is what the business focus is that they are starting up. He has a good name around the paint shops in town. Said he would want it for about 60 days so that they could get it right. Half money up front and half at end. I am going to get other quotes but I thought that one was a lot and now I am being told its too cheap. I'm a bit worried about getting more quotes now.

Is this in or near Adelaide? Is graham doing the work? If the answer to each is yes, then go for it. Else, check previous work or risk losing your $3000 deposit.