Why do people buy Jap/Korean cars?

[Ryan]

Hey ive got the best of everything European style body, Aussie built and Japanese donk and drivetrain. :

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by VY18s

Hey ive got the best of everything European style body, Aussie built and Japanese donk and drivetrain. :

You keep thinking that

[Perana]

Originally Posted by Gammaboy

If we want to go back further, Bugatti had a 16 valve, twin cam 4cyl in about 1913, and Daimler I believe experimented with a turbocharged engine in a fighter in 1918. So there.

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Peugeot had DOHC in 1907 IIRC

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Gammaboy

You keep thinking that

No I know that. :hihi:

The engine hast died and the body hasnt fallen apart yet. :thebirds: lol

Originally Posted by stiddy

Up until last night/ this morning i was considering trading my car (AU XR6 series 1)in for an AU XR8 series 2...
but ive decided that when its time to trade up, which will be very soon.. im going to go for a 90-93 model Nissan 300zx twin turbo..
Why? because i love this type of car.. thats that... thats my reason.. i just want one..

Good onya

The Z32's are a bit of a struggle to work on, heavy and lots have ignition problems but you probably know that already. Also a bit of a pain to find a manual version, and I remember going into an auto-trans specialist mechanic, there were around 4 300zx's outside the workshop out of about 15 cars that they'd have/will be working on.

But a mate had one of these stock and it went alright, even tho it was auto. Kept line in line with a R34 GT-T if thats anything to go by.

[xurbanx]

Mines from friends; I wasn't really a ford/holden fan, it was more of the skyline/supra side :]

[xurbanx]

Originally Posted by xurbanx

Mines from friends; I wasn't really a ford/holden fan, it was more of the skyline/supra side :]

i would love to own a skyline (save the r33), the s15 or the fd later on :]

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

Also in most cases ford/holden parts are cheaper than imported japanese parts.

Thats the truth, was getting told that my mates R34 skyline's headlamp(xenon) costs $3000. (had an accident a while back)

[Thunder]

Why do people buy Korean cars?

To keep Holden surviving :

I own a Honda. 100,000km, no probs,
excellent handling/economy/refinement. Exceptional build and fit quality. Supreme value for money. Oh and did i mention the 100,000km and no problems. It still has the original brake pads. :eclipsee_

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by stiddy

Up until last night/ this morning i was considering trading my car (AU XR6 series 1)in for an AU XR8 series 2...
but ive decided that when its time to trade up, which will be very soon.. im going to go for a 90-93 model Nissan 300zx twin turbo..
Why? because i love this type of car.. thats that... thats my reason.. i just want one..

if you think EA's were bad 300zx's are no better

they overheat easy
they break down alot and being twin turbo'd you'd really have to be doing your homework to find one thats hasnt been thrashed or racked up a zillion kilometres


honestly a jap car will pull 12-13's all day NA they rev harder they are more punchful then even our new Xr6T etc

and thats from cars that are 10years old

honestly the question should be why not go japanese in your choice for car

like i said xr6t my fav but if a TT supra or soarer was up for grabs i might be swayed around..

[stiddy]

Originally Posted by HOON69

if you think EA's were bad 300zx's are no better

they overheat easy
they break down alot and being twin turbo'd you'd really have to be doing your homework to find one thats hasnt been thrashed or racked up a zillion kilometres

like every car, depends how you treat it, how you maintain it..
sh#t just dosnet go wrong for no reason.. ive spoken to Zed owners, actually alot of import owners and they are into 100,000k's with no dramas..

[HLC]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

"Why do people buy Jap/Korean cars?"

cause they can.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by stiddy

Up until last night/ this morning i was considering trading my car (AU XR6 series 1)in for an AU XR8 series 2...
but ive decided that when its time to trade up, which will be very soon.. im going to go for a 90-93 model Nissan 300zx twin turbo..
Why? because i love this type of car.. thats that... thats my reason.. i just want one..

My mate's brother has a 93 300ZX TT with 240rwkw and another person I know has one with 350rwkw. Believe me 240rwkw is plenty enough! They are bloody fast especially with a few mods, and handle awesome. By far the best car I've been in. Just be very careful when you go looking to buy one because if they have any problems it is very expensive to fix.

Comprehensive insurance is pretty much out of the question though. Hell I would get one but I know I can't afford insurance, even if I was able to get it in the first place.

Originally Posted by zetec

If I could own one Japanese non Turbo car, it would be a series 1 Integra Type R without a doubt.

Also a nice car but insurance would probably eat you alive. I was considering a 2000 ITR and it was cheaper to insure a Monaro CV8 by comparison. These are just using online quotes as a guide though. This is for an AUS delivered model so I could only imagine what a JDM model would cost.

[tbearz]

In the Financial Review the other day it stated 7 out of 10 cars bought today are imported, the day of the home baked aussie dinky die 5 bum seating falcogna is limited unless they adapt to what ppl want ffs corolla outsold all of them for a month

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by stiddy

like every car, depends how you treat it, how you maintain it..
sh#t just dosnet go wrong for no reason.. ive spoken to Zed owners, actually alot of import owners and they are into 100,000k's with no dramas..

you honestly dont think for a second that
1)they are driven like grandma's cars in japan or whatever and
2)they get over to oz and first owner hasnt rung its nutts out at least a zillion times

they have head issues heating issues and being apart of not just FFAU but alot of import websites etc from what i know and see and hear alot of em wouldnt touch a 300zx and prefer a s13 over a TT300zx anyday

why touch a car that overheats alot when for the same money a TT soarer would be better,plus if anyone knows or remembers ricky stewarts days in A.C.T (btw im related to the Pr1ck) i took a ride a couple of times in his and yeah they fly but even back then when it was new he even had problems with it.

so yeah cars are cars they all go well if putted around and given TLC 24/7 but imports are cheap for a reason ;)

[stiddy]

Originally Posted by HOON69

you honestly dont think for a second that
1)they are driven like grandma's cars in japan or whatever and
2)they get over to oz and first owner hasnt rung its nutts out at least a zillion times

they have head issues heating issues and being apart of not just FFAU but alot of import websites etc from what i know and see and hear alot of em wouldnt touch a 300zx and prefer a s13 over a TT300zx anyday

why touch a car that overheats alot when for the same money a TT soarer would be better,plus if anyone knows or remembers ricky stewarts days in A.C.T (btw im related to the Pr1ck) i took a ride a couple of times in his and yeah they fly but even back then when it was new he even had problems with it.

so yeah cars are cars they all go well if putted around and given TLC 24/7 but imports are cheap for a reason ;)

you cant think for a second that every import has been thrashed.. and if they have been they will last it longer than your average falcadore.. imo anyway

i thought about a soarer, but then thought it would be a down grade from my falcon.. supra is too expensive.. a mate has a type R and im not a fan, have a mate with a 200sx S14 and i hate it.. another mate with a WRX and i wouldnt have one if you gave it to me.. so yeah there is still a huge range of rice to choose from.. but the z32 takes my fancy, plus ive always wanted one..


ask casper, he knows i love my rice lol..

its just a hard call to ditch the XR6 for one.. i'll cry when it goes i think lol

[HOON69]

i loved 300zx's when i was a teen still love TT ones

but in practicality i reckon supra's and even cefiro's are a better option i agree with you 100% not all are thrashed but the majority are
its the same with fords holdens and euro's i guess

imho i agree wrx's are poxy S14's everyones got one 180's too common tye R's lmfao my near stock ea wagon beats em your best bet is to look around test drive all types and shop around but dont settle on a ZX if its just cause you've always wanted one

i've always wanted a XR6 but instead got a PPG E series (you get what im saying)
i reckon if you get rid of the FORD you'll regret it but if you find the right car you'll get over it eventually(in 10yrs) but you will...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by VY18s

I dont mind them beating V8s its just when they start talking sh*t and saying "OMG I just beat that V8 Falcon/Commodore they suck so much ***".

They dont laugh so much when I flip down the glovebox lid on my old '78 V12 Jag and show them the factory sticker which gives recommended tyre pressures for constant full load (5 passengers) driving above 120MPH! (190kmh)

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by stiddy

sh#t just dosnet go wrong for no reason..

Yeah, because engineers NEVER make mistakes.

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by zetec

If I could own one Japanese non Turbo car, it would be a series 1 Integra Type R without a doubt.

Yup. I've got one and for an old-technology daily driver and occasional track day car it meets my needs.

Originally Posted by HOON69

tye R's lmfao my near stock ea wagon beats em

Straight line they aren't but but try taking it around a track sometime. My little 1.8 litre FWD has even embarassed some V8s (and turbo 4s).

[EBII Fairmont]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Don't like being picky... but they weren't the first with DOHC!

The first DOHC engines were 2-valve designs from companies like Fiat (1912), Peugeot (1913), Alfa Romeo (6C- 1925, 512 - 1940), Maserati (Tipo 26, 1926), and Bugatti (Type 51, 1931). Most Ferraris used 2-valve DOHC engines as well.

When DOHC technology was introduced in mainstream vehicles, it was common for the technology to be heavily advertised. Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo can be credited with placing mass produced twin cam (DOHC) engines in coupés, sedans, convertibles, and station wagons beginning in the mid 1960s. Later, in the mid-1980s Honda products featured "DOHC" plaques, and automakers often used "DOHC" as the engine's name. Most early mainstream DOHCs were 4-cylinder engines as well: Ford's first DOHC motor was the Lotus-reworked Kent (1962), and General Motors' first was the 1975 Cosworth-tweaked 2300, though by comparison, Toyota debuted two production DOHC engines in 1967: the inline-4 9R engine (Corona 1600GT) and the Yamaha-designed straight-6 3M engine (2000GT).

Ok, so what I had read about toyota being the first manufacturer to create the twin cam engine and revolutionising the car industry was a load of c@&p. Why do people put the wrong info on the net?

[ltd]

Originally Posted by smoo

I own an S Class, an old one, a real one. And i do find it an embarssment that the newer stuff isn't a patch on the old, yet I am still associated with it because of the star on my grille. Sorry, but I checked and I meant the LS430. Either way, both versions have shown Toyota was able to stick it up MB, Audi and BMW since 1991 with similar quality with about half the price. Although the first LS400s had a few issues, it can't compete with the W140 Benz, where it took MB nearly 5 years to iron out their 'teething' problems. I know which car I would rather be buying if it was used, only if I had a gun pointed to my head though.

I think you will find that the Lexus, even from the early 1990s have stood the test of time quite well, while MB quality has decline since the W126 - the latest S Class (W220?) proving this. Maybe this new model with the Mazda RX8 front guards (hmm now the Germans are copying the Japs...) will turn Mercedes around towards the good old days, however, times have changed, and they will never be what they once were.

I suppose US consumer reports say it all. Aren't Lexus on the top three spots every year? While MB is a few places from the bottom if I recall Jeremy Clarkson saying on Top Gear.

Good post. But wait, You're not entirely correct there. In actual fact, you're wrong.
I own a W220 S500, and I have owned (although briefly) an LS430. I can tell you from personal experience, that if you ever intend on minimising your depreciation, you never buy a lexus. Why? because every tool imports the SC400 Soarer from japan and that drives lexus prices down, and they look like a toyota after a few years. The paint fades, paint on the wheels flakes, cooling problems develop, leather goes hard, and they lose 40-60% of their value in the first two years. They are also a rip off of the big germans, and they never quite gain the street cred of the Benz.

Oh, and your comment on toyota sticking it up MB, well that wouldn't be the case for MB to toyota in the van segment now would it?

[smoo]

Originally Posted by ltd

Good post. But wait, You're not entirely correct there. In actual fact, you're wrong.
I own a W220 S500, and I have owned (although briefly) an LS430. I can tell you from personal experience, that if you ever intend on minimising your depreciation, you never buy a lexus. Why? because every tool imports the SC400 Soarer from japan and that drives lexus prices down, and they look like a toyota after a few years. The paint fades, paint on the wheels flakes, cooling problems develop, leather goes hard, and they lose 40-60% of their value in the first two years. They are also a rip off of the big germans, and they never quite gain the street cred of the Benz.

Oh, and your comment on toyota sticking it up MB, well that wouldn't be the case for MB to toyota in the van segment now would it?

You own a W220? I'm sorry to hear that.
Sorry i should have mentioned that I am in NZ. I can't speak for Oz, but the S and LS have similar prices a few years down the track, which will ИИИИ any new S Class buyer off when time comes to sell, as the car that cost him a ИИИИ load more coin will eventually even out with the Lexus.
All of those 'problems' you attribute to the Lexus can be linked back to how the car has being treated by previous owners, it will happen to any car. I took an interest into early LS and W140 when buying my W126 - they were in similar price range, and I find it funny that back in the early '90s (and even today), people would have paid the premium for the Benz badge (and a few extra trips to the dealer to sort the V6 head gasket problems, air conditioning evaporators, vacume door pumps, replace the wiring loom, the list goes on lol), when the lexus can stand the test of time just as well. Just think that between then and now, MB has gone backwards, while Lexus foward...
Geez I wouldn't own a Lexus or most Jap cars, but credit where credits due, they are continuously on a rise.

[TURBOTAXI]

I think Jap cars are great - Korean cars not so great.
Toyota have some awsome machinery out there, some of it simply out guns our local product.
That said I am a pretty hard headed ford lover and have always driven fords. We have a toyota Hilux Dual cab with the 4.0 Litre V8 out of the lexus. Its fast and well behaved.

[INJECTED_250]

im a mechanic... YAY.. I had the Dash out of a 95 ish hyundai exel the other day.. What can i say u get what u pay for. THe dash is plastic thin and flimsy it was actualyl all ready cracked in half .. ALl the cars wiring had had its insulation tape simply fall off. THe plastic was that brittle it broke i mean every thing u trouched was ИИИИ.. And to top it of the AC evaporator was over 350 bucks ....

Toyotas on the other hands are awesome cars...except for avalons there v6 motor defently shouldnt come out with a GAS option and a crapy landy gas system.. those 2 dont mix

[ltd]

Originally Posted by smoo

You own a W220? I'm sorry to hear that.
Sorry i should have mentioned that I am in NZ. I can't speak for Oz, but the S and LS have similar prices a few years down the track, which will ИИИИ any new S Class buyer off when time comes to sell, as the car that cost him a ИИИИ load more coin will eventually even out with the Lexus.
All of those 'problems' you attribute to the Lexus can be linked back to how the car has being treated by previous owners, it will happen to any car. I took an interest into early LS and W140 when buying my W126 - they were in similar price range, and I find it funny that back in the early '90s (and even today), people would have paid the premium for the Benz badge (and a few extra trips to the dealer to sort the V6 head gasket problems, air conditioning evaporators, vacume door pumps, replace the wiring loom, the list goes on lol), when the lexus can stand the test of time just as well. Just think that between then and now, MB has gone backwards, while Lexus foward...
Geez I wouldn't own a Lexus or most Jap cars, but credit where credits due, they are continuously on a rise.

I would agree that the Lexus made mercedes sit up and take notice, as well as address some design issues, but you're talking of problems that you're having with an old car ie w126. Additionally, you're citing problems that on the newer cars don't occur, and if they should they are covered under warranty anyway. Lexus do not have an adequate warranty, 3 years 100k and no extension no thanks. At least with mine it has the extended 7 years unlimited klms. That's some real faith in the product that MB have. Also, servicing costs are relative considering I took mine for its first service before christmas with 24k on the clock. In oz, w220s are worth more than twice as much than the LS430 after 3 years - even though they are similarly priced new.

[ltd]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the LS430 is bloody ugly when compared to the big benz.

[smoo]

Interesting. Well atleast us MB owners can take a sigh of relief, looks like the latest Lexus' (?) are now getting design cues from BMW, a nice change after 15 years.

BTW those problems I briefly mentioned are specific to W140 only, I only used to suit my arguement, the early LS had some teething problems too, not as bad as the Benz tho i think.

[ltd]

Well, as you're from new zealand my reply to your last post would be "sweet as".