Downgrading the V8 :(

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Haha, not even close to the truth.

It's probably more help if you refute my post with info that helps the op rather than just trying to imply I'm a liar.

You can easily exceed 10L/100 of premium consistently in a hot hatch IMO.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

It's probably more help if you refute my post with info that helps the op rather than just trying to imply I'm a liar.

You can easily exceed 10L/100 of premium consistently in a hot hatch IMO.

My ST sits on 6.9 L per hundred average during the week commuting.

After two very spirited drives last long weekend, my average consumption went up...to 7.0 L

Got back to 6.9 L by the time I got to work on Monday, and didn't notice much of a difference dollar wise next time I fueled up.

The go kart handling means you don't have to burn fuel getting up to speed after slowing down, and every flat stick gear change is offset by the fuel sipping nature of the car the rest of the time.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Our Rio averages over 8L/100 working it out properly in peak hour and suburb driving. It's never gone into the 9s or above though.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Our Rio averages over 8L/100 working it out properly in peak hour and suburb driving. It's never gone into the 9s or above though.

I've heard them Rio's use a bit more juice than you'd think... There was a class action about it in America I think.

You'd struggle to get an ST to use 8L/100 - even with a heavy foot they seem to stay in the mid 7's...

Try getting a V8 to do any less than double that around town...

[SensationFG8]

So you guys get less than the published economy rating during spirited driving? I guess we must have a different definition of spirited

[duaned]

My avatar says it all. There is No Replacement For Displacement. And I don't care how much fuel my V8 uses. I'll leave the small cars to the ladies.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Yeh Kia is compensating the US but to be honest it's over a trivial difference in readings. I reckon a few manufacturers could easily be stung the same way. On the highway it gets in the 5's but we have a heavy foot around town and it gets 8 or mid 7's. It has a dual stage intake which actuates at certain revs for different torque/power levels so it can certainly use the juice. Still a miser when my XRT averages 13 and the AU 16 around town.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by duaned

I'll leave the small cars to the ladies.

Pure and simple, one of the stupidest comments I've read this year.

P.s. the replacement for displacement is forced induction.

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

Pure and simple, one of the stupidest comments I've read this year.

P.s. the replacement for displacement is forced induction.

IN you opinion, Holy One!

[SensationFG8]

Here's an interesting article on the topic of the focus.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...m-test-review/

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Here's an interesting article on the topic of the focus.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...m-test-review/

Yeah it needs a diff, but then those diffs are expensive. They obviously decided they'd sell more at a cheaper price even tho it kinda sorta really actually sucks a bit without it.

In this thread the OP asks about the Fiesta ST tho - with it's 1.6, lighter weight and less torque, the lack of a diff is not such an issue - it's generally rated far more highly as a drivers car than the Focus.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by duaned

My avatar says it all. There is No Replacement For Displacement. And I don't care how much fuel my V8 uses. I'll leave the small cars to the ladies.

Do you still beat your wife too?

Tell me how the Frank Sinatra concert is tonight.

Originally Posted by DJM83

Agreed there 100% Shame falcons never got any of the stuff that imported Fords got

Makes you wonder why they couldn't have used common components across the whole range such as wiring loom/body control module and all of the stereo/digital equipment but have the ECU and associated engine wiring different.

[Franco Cozzo]

double post uleh

[SSD-85]

Cmon fellas,

Can't we all just get along & drive Fox body Mustangs, Mavericks & Cortinas with 545ci BBFs that have PD blowers on top?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Grobbo

Yeah it needs a diff, but then those diffs are expensive. They obviously decided they'd sell more at a cheaper price even tho it kinda sorta really actually sucks a bit without it.

In this thread the OP asks about the Fiesta ST tho - with it's 1.6, lighter weight and less torque, the lack of a diff is not such an issue - it's generally rated far more highly as a drivers car than the Focus.

If you really want an LSD I'm sure you could buy one and get it fitted by one of the companies like Quaife etc, they make one for the XR5 Focus.

An LSD has a benefit of removing a lot of torque steer from a FWD car too.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

So you guys get less than the published economy rating during spirited driving? I guess we must have a different definition of spirited

No, I'm using almost a litre more than the published combined figure (overall) in a Fiesta ST. one of the cars that the OP is considering. And I drove the wheels off the thing cos I'm just as much of a hard old campaigner as you are! :P

Doesn't matter how anyone cuts it, hot hatches are pretty damn economical these days, which makes it easier to concentrate on the pros and cons of the rest of the package.

[Bonn]

(from left field)
My former much-loved FG XR8 got 10-11Litres/100km consistantly, had 160,000 hwy kms and is now sitting at Power Ford for less than $20k - was hard to part with. They are blown out how new it drives. Is EGO, ZF, colour 6-stack, rev camera, 'C' iPhone module
If I was after economy and performance, i'd get it.
(gets off soap box)
Hope whatever you get excites!

[SensationFG8]

Yeah for some reason I read focus and was thinking larger hatches. 7-8 sounds reasonable for a fiesta and a saving of $10 per 100km.

I guess it really is down to if the op thinks he can live with the smaller car long term for the sake of that money, I know I couldn't.

In hindsight I feel I should've paid off the xr6t and held onto it longer as my money saver rather than go small.

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Do you still beat your wife too?

Tell me how the Frank Sinatra concert is tonight.

Hardly on topic fool. And I don't hit women if that's what you are implying. Troll.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by Bonn

(from left field)
My former much-loved FG XR8 got 10-11Litres/100km consistantly, had 160,000 hwy kms and is now sitting at Power Ford for less than $20k - was hard to part with. They are blown out how new it drives. Is EGO, ZF, colour 6-stack, rev camera, 'C' iPhone module
If I was after economy and performance, i'd get it.
(gets off soap box)
Hope whatever you get excites!

Highway km's you say eh... Even on the highway, the Fiesta would be using half that...

I tell ya, as much as I love the rumble of a V8, there is something very smug and enjoyable about getting great MPG.

I took one of those new Renault Meganes up to Bright for the weekend - did nearly 1200km, did not put a drop of Diesel in the thing, it averaged 4.8L/100 - even with a spirited dash to the top of Mount Buffalo.

When we were sitting on the Hume at 112km/h doing 3.8/100 I was pointing to cars we were passing and telling my missus how much more fuel they were using.

She told me to shut up pretty quickly, but I was having a great time!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by duaned

Hardly on topic fool. And I don't hit women if that's what you are implying. Troll.

Troll, coming from you with the ladies comment?

I was just wondering if you had your 1950s mentality in other areas besides cars.

Greaser

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

It's probably more help if you refute my post with info that helps the op rather than just trying to imply I'm a liar.

You can easily exceed 10L/100 of premium consistently in a hot hatch IMO.

Exceed 10L/100? yeah you can but the V8 driven the same way will use a lot more.
Aahhh, ok.
I had an AU V8 then a Focus XR5 and now an ST and i can tell that when all cars have been driven in anger neither the XR5 (Very modded) nor my ST got anywhere near the AU's fuel consumption.

My AU was constantly around 15L/100.
XR5 was 11/100 (never knew it standard because it was purchased new and modded/tuned with in 2 weeks.
My ST is at 8.6L/100 have never seen more than 9

Anyway just posting my experience, not trying to argue.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Anyway just posting my experience, not trying to argue.

you've come to the wrong place

[Grobbo]

Back to the OP which I believe was actually between the Eco Sport 1.0 mini Suv and the Fiesta ST...

I have had a little drive in the 1.0 - man it goes well eh? I did find the Echo a bit 'cheap' feeling tho - although the Titanium, which I believe is the only trim level with that engine, fixes things a little.

I still haven't flogged an ST yet, although I have flogged a few of it's competitors - the Swift Sport, the old and new Clio 200's... It's a hard one, I quite like the idea of souping up that little 1.0 - you can get decent power out it - and a pretty decent note, they sound a bit like a flat 6... Plus with the extra ground clearance - dunno what you do for work but if there's any rough tracks involved it's really a one horse race...

The 1.0 uses a smidge more fuel than I would've thought, but it does pump out a fair bit of grunt so fair enough I guess.

[Professor Farnsworth]

i remember driving an Alto which is a 3 banger, it had a very addictive noise

[jmack]

your either a v8 person and nothing else is considered even if they are slower and less fuel efficient or not.me i dont look at anything unless it has an 8 in it,with 4 in the shed and an explorer coming next week, a 351 in ski boat .i dont even worry about fuel economy i fill them when they need it and enjoy them.and that is the main thing is enjoy what you have

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

i remember driving an Alto which is a 3 banger, it had a very addictive noise

Yeah until you hit the limiter - they sound like they have another 3000rpm to go then zing... zing... zing...

Speaking of triples I've heard the new BMW 1.5 triple sounds pretty good - that's a pretty decent cylinder size... (500cc)

I'd love to hear one with a bit of an exhaust...

[Wretched]

The Alfa Romeo triple in the Mito sounds alright.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by jmack

your either a v8 person and nothing else is considered even if they are slower and less fuel efficient or not.me i dont look at anything unless it has an 8 in it,with 4 in the shed and an explorer coming next week, a 351 in ski boat .i dont even worry about fuel economy i fill them when they need it and enjoy them.and that is the main thing is enjoy what you have

I reckon they'll be a thing of the past soon enough, they're already studying what artificial noise is best to project out the front of these new 'silent' cars so that people don't walk out in front of them...

We're right on a tipping point, where a main stream SUV is advertising 1.9 L/100... It's just a matter of time before plug ins take over...

Small capacity turbo's will be what enthusiasts choose - and we will soon be discussing what triple or twin cylinder engine sounds best in the not too distant future I bet.

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by Grobbo

Small capacity turbo's will be what enthusiasts choose - and we will soon be discussing what triple or twin cylinder engine sounds best in the not too distant future I bet.

Which is precisely why I'll grab a GT and hold on to it as my main drive and keep my lotus as my weekender.