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27-07-2014, 07:32 PM | #362 | ||||
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I don't want to get in to a drawn out crap fight but you said .....
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27-07-2014, 07:35 PM | #363 | ||
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27-07-2014, 07:48 PM | #364 | ||
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No i don't, spell it out genius......c'mon.....???
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27-07-2014, 08:24 PM | #365 | ||
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While I do believe the pro Russians probably did shoot it down, either by accident or deliberately, I certainly wouldn't put it past the Ukrainians to have done it either.
As said many times, Ukraine cannot go toe to toe with the Russian military, if Russia decides it's had enough it will simply take Ukraine. Ukraines only real option is to turn world opinion against Russia, and what's the perfect way to do that? Kill a few hundred innocents, and blame it on them. There's certainly plenty of things, from both sides, that don't add up. As for the Aussie cops going in, quite frankly il be surprised if there's no incident involving them. They're going in unarmed, into a long running unstable conflict. I know they have Ukraine permission to go in, but that area is still majority held by pro Russians. And they don't care much for Ukraine orders. |
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27-07-2014, 08:29 PM | #366 | ||
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Ofcourse they dont there paid by russia so thats who they take orders from like when they shoot down airplanes with russian made weaponry murdering aussie citizens.
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27-07-2014, 09:29 PM | #367 | ||
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The focus really shouldn't be put on the Aussies that died, people died regardless of nationality. Just makes it seem like only the dead Aussies matter.
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27-07-2014, 09:29 PM | #368 | ||
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I'm no genius
But the United Nations need to sort this out and bring the perpetrators to justice. Our Aussie victims deserve that, so do their families. You seem to be looking for an argument. Good luck to you - look else where. Thanks for your support. |
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28-07-2014, 11:30 AM | #369 | ||
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I wouldn't be holding my breath for the UN to sort anything out, they're too busy writing fictional nonsense convincing fools that they know the secrets to controlling the weather.
The UN is a sick joke, justice and the UN are two mutually exclusive terms, the UN is a closed boys club where the permanent members do what they want with immunity. Respect for nations sovereignty yeah right ! Best we can do is respect our dead, offer condolences and support to those effected. Sure the AFP will gather the evidence but handing it over to the UN is like asking the Keystone cops to do something worthwhile. Besides at the end of the day Russia can/will veto any thing it doesn't agree with... |
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28-07-2014, 11:38 AM | #370 | |||
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If you have some time, read this article that a few on my facebook have been re-sharing: Busted! MH17 was in fact lost flight MH370. Basically, whats being said here (by use of some exclusive proof photos, and photos supposedly photoshopped before hitting the news networks) is that the shot down plane purported to be working the MH17 route that day (tail number 9M - MRD), was actually 9M - MRO of MH370 fame. They trundle out some pictures which compare a specific window near the forward fuselage door which was apparently blanked out on RO (MH370) and not blanked out on RD (MH17). When the photos were released to the media, mysteriously, the photos of the blanked out window were photoshopped to re-instate the window as per the apparent configuration of RD (to which the authors of this article claim to be the "smoking gun"). To support their theory, they show photos of both aircraft taken in happier times, and what do you know!? It seems that they're correct! 9M-MRO has a blanked out window forward of the forward entrance, and 9M-MRD has a normal window! WTFAMAZEBALLZOMG!????!!!!!!11111!! HOWEVER....... A photo search on airliners.net (a very large database of airline photographs), debunks this theory beyond doubt. A simple search of the tail number of 9M-MRD (MH17) reveals that over the life of this aircraft, the airframe was painted no less than three times. When it was first delivered to MH in the late 90's, it indeed had that little lone window underneath the Malay flag, forward of the cabin door as per this photo taken in 2003 -> Click Here However, further reasearch reveals that sometime around 2005, MRD was painted in a blue "Freedom of Space" theme as per this photo -> Click Here For a few years, this scheme remained on MRD, until MH dropped the Freedom of Space tag, and re-instated the normal MH Livery.. And whaddya know? That small window forward of the door and under the flag? It too has been blanked out - JUST like the one on 9M-MRO (MH370) Here is the most recent photo of MRD on the corresponding side taken in turkey last year -> Click Here So of course, tables turned, you're right, it does pay to not take everything you hear as gospel straight off. Its unfair to prey on the gullible and misinformed to create clickbait and social media frenzy. I wonder how many people have read this and assume beyond doubt that this website has solved both mysteries? Puh-lease. |
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28-07-2014, 12:26 PM | #371 | |||
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Just having a shot at all (not just AFF) who just auto think its not whats in front of them, it's gotta be something else, what other reason is there other than someone effed up and shot a civilian plane out of the sky?
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28-07-2014, 03:41 PM | #372 | ||
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I think anyone with freaky conspiracy theories should start another thread.
People on MH 17 where not on MH370, and are not transported dead bodies. Last edited by Fordman1; 28-07-2014 at 03:48 PM. |
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28-07-2014, 10:45 PM | #373 | ||
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So who is stalling the investigation now ?...Interesting
http://www.theage.com.au/world/kiev-...728-zxi1o.html |
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28-07-2014, 11:04 PM | #374 | |||
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A web site called "Humansarefree" ...... yep. Plenty of cred there!
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29-07-2014, 12:28 AM | #375 | |||
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Media is all privately owned, or Government funded. Nothing to stop anyone fabricating the truth. |
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29-07-2014, 12:37 AM | #376 | |||
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Conspiracy Theorists and Rupert Murdoch and his news papers/media as bad as each other. Wouldn't even wipe my *** with a news paper. |
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29-07-2014, 11:14 AM | #377 | ||
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This is becoming a total farce inspection teams cannot get to the crash site due to increase of fighting with rockets and rifle fire all over,
when are they going to say ok time to stop and let the inspection teams in and get the job done The report is in from the black box sudden decompression from rocket fire uild Here is the thing in one or two year this country will be asking for aid to help rebuild the mess there have created so we say now if you do not help us now we will not help in the time to rebuild
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29-07-2014, 11:45 AM | #378 | ||
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Reading between the lines regarding the fighting, it appears the separatists may have been cut loose by the Russians and are now solely fighting the Ukrainian army. Of course this would be news derived from a Murdoch newspaper and will obviously be wrong
If as unbelievable as it may be that a Murdoch newspaper is accurately reporting news (more sarcasm in case a few missed it) , then there is a likelihood that the crash site may become secure soon and investigators allowed to move in. |
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29-07-2014, 11:45 AM | #379 | ||
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I think its a tad naive to expect a country in the grips of a full blown civil war to be in anyway helpful with this investigation.
And whilst the plane being shot down is a tragedy, we have an entire country is being torn apart by war and all everyone seems to focus on is this one event...
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29-07-2014, 12:15 PM | #380 | |||
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Interview with rebel leader by the BBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEv8jVAqLg Of course he is denying they had BUK. Quote:
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29-07-2014, 05:03 PM | #381 | |||
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29-07-2014, 05:33 PM | #382 | ||
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29-07-2014, 05:54 PM | #384 | ||
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A lot of Ukrainians consider themselves Russian. Hence civil war...
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29-07-2014, 06:19 PM | #385 | ||
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This whole situation comes about due to there being large numbers of Russians in the Ukraine and the Ukraine formerly being a Russian territory or whatever the word is.
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29-07-2014, 06:30 PM | #386 | ||
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Eastern Ukranians see themselves as Russian and Western Ukranians see themselves as Ukranians and part of Europe, not the USSR the east wants to be back under.
(Mind you per capita income of Ukranians was 20% higher in 1990 toward the end of the USSR than what it is today under democracy and having their own country). Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 29-07-2014 at 06:38 PM. |
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31-07-2014, 10:06 PM | #387 | ||
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Not a very smart move, it would have been much better to keep Putin's daughter "safe" in the Netherlands whilst our team investigated the crash site...
http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-fal...726-zx3op.html |
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