What do you think of the uninted patriots front?

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by chamb0

"Typical Aussie blokes who want to preserve their way of life"... get stuffed, who do you take us for. Do typical Aussies align themselves with other Neo-nazi groups like Greece's Golden Dawn? The UPF is an extremist group.

I am just astounded that this NAZI paranoia **** still exists today,guess we can blame that one on the media....Sure the NAZI'S were evil bastards but do you do realize there existed a lot more evil political movements than the NAZI'S? Joseph Stalin comes to mind for starters,his extermination count was`around the 33,000000 mark I believe.

[98TLS]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I doubt it. PC do-gooders tend to be "all bark and no bite".

Mind you, I never mentioned anything that was deserving of a "smack in the mouth." Although I guess it's true that neanderthals can be offended by anything.

Didnt say you did.Neanderthal/PC/offended blah blah blah easy to do on a computer eh.Back on topic ie as i posted earlier ********* like the so called "united patriots front" wont change a thing but will no matter what there beliefs when starting out soon swell there ranks with losers devoid of anything meaningful to do with there lives.

[98TLS]

Originally Posted by elysian50

I am just astounded that this NAZI paranoia **** still exists today,guess we can blame that one on the media....Sure the NAZI'S were evil bastards but do you do realize there existed a lot more evil political movements than the NAZI'S? Joseph Stalin comes to mind for starters,his extermination count was`around the 33,000000 mark I believe.

Actually fella Stalins count was around 11 millon,believe it or not theres been worse since but what ever your happy with.

[Itsme]

elysian50

I don't actually support this group, not yet anyway but I am very tired of words like NAZI, bigot, racist and hater being chucked around the place like confetti by people who are swayed by the media or are simply parroting others.The NAZI'S disbanded over seventy years ago,they do not exist today in any shape or form and never will.This Neo Nazi rubbish is being pushed by the establishment and other affiliated groups to stifle serious opposition when they think it can stick and they feel the need to do so...it's effective and it works''.So called ''NEO NAZI'S'' are the least the world has to worry about at the moment and the UPF as far as I know do not tolerate these so called individuals who have been swiftly removed in the past.So far I see groups like UPF and other similar groups perhaps restoring some balance and equilibrium to a world moving closer and closer to a politically correct, subjective,thus unstable,immoral,arrogant,omniscient despotism and if together they can do that (which I doubt) more power to them!

Be careful what you say, history has way of repeating itself under different guise.

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

Your nation changed....years ago as did the world fella,dunno about them having "balls" seems theres a few of them so theres strength in numbers i guess,doubt given the op a single one of em would stand up in a pub and spout there **** as chances are they would get a smack in the mouth.

A smack in the mouth from the metro sexuals punks who get in pubs today... you have to be kidding?. They would be to busy combing each others hair or deciding what ''gender'' they are today LOL.

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

Actually fella Stalins count was around 11 millon,believe it or not theres been worse since but what ever your happy with.

Starlin count. 11000000,33000000, some say 66000000. I choose to use the middle ground figure.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

Bit late for the "working class man" bull**** fella,was done to death decades ago.Sure theres problems but ****s like this running about devoid of Swastika armbands wont ever help.

Nah.... The only thing done to death is labeling anyone who goes against the status quo (like forced mass multiculturalism or islamafication of Oz as what the UPF seem to be doing) as a nazi. These words used to silence any opposition has gotten so bloody stupid that when I'm called a bigot or nazi or racist by some mentally unstable idealistic academic with its head firmly up its **** I take it as a compliment.

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

"are becoming a global phenomenon" fella groups like this have been around since time began,sure theres issues race/cultural wise but history shows that waving flags and hatred hasnt worked,these ****s are just to stupid to see it,keep hating and all you will get back is hate...simple really.Only saying it because i grew up listening to it everyday.

There you go again with that mantra.You find someone with a different point of view and you get all paranoid and flustered thinking the're a boogie man or something.Listen my sensitive new age friend patriotic freedom fighters were only ever around in the past when a need arose.But in the Western world there has never been patriotic groups before because patriotism was a part of the whole nation which pulled together in times of threat,everyone was on the same team....team patriot!

[chamb0]

Elysian50 it's a bit rich to ostensibly come here to "gauge opinions" and ask what we think, then get offended and defensive at the answers you get. If you're tired and easily offended hearing the word Nazi then go have conversations about something else...

[Junkyard-Dog]

This thread: What do you think of the united patriot's front?

btw, whatever you think is wrong.

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by chamb0

Elysian50 it's a bit rich to ostensibly come here to "gauge opinions" and ask what we think, then get offended and defensive at the answers you get. If you're tired and easily offended hearing the word Nazi then go have conversations about something else...

chambo with genuine respect please cut the self righteous crap. The only reason you have made this reply is because of your opposing political stance. I was just expecting more mature and articulate opinions on this topic and yes I am tired of the NAZI labeling that is being used today (the 21st century) along with a host of other labels which are being used whimsically around about the place we live in.
Baseless labeling tends to ostracize and hurt people which is why it is used,it is a very effective assassination tool on ones character and is generally used when one has little else to level at another.
Sure I asked people here what they thought of a certain political group and to gauge their opinions but that does not disqualify me from questioning them or even criticizing them on these views if I choose.

[lgpking22]

I like them to be honest not for the violence and that its good to see someone actually protesting about something/anything it seems in this country anybody who protests about anything is a trouble maker and shouted down we need more protests not less.

Otherwise you just get what we have now unpopular decisions enforced by minority's onto a silent majority. We always get ****** atleast these people are out there trying, and im always happy to listen to racist bigoted hatred how else can people realize these thoughts exist amongst more people then just the protestors, there out there and need to be kept in check if they arnt making noise there just the silent underbelly growing in strength anyway.
Id say its mostly arises from a combination of pathetic political leadership and stifled debate on touchy subjects.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by elysian50

As I mentioned earlier,these right wing movements only seem to appear when there is something wrong with a country.

Far right (like far left wing) groups have always been around. Social media has just allowed them to be more organised.

[superyob]

Nazi labeling is erroneous when applied to the UPF. The brownshirts of the 1930s were far more effective in dealing with the left. One is hardly a fascist because they disagree with leftist values...

[chamb0]

Originally Posted by elysian50

chambo with genuine respect please cut the self righteous crap. The only reason you have made this reply is because of your opposing political stance.

You know nothing about my political stance other than that I don't like UPF or extremist groups. The reason I replied is because I think extremism of any sort has no place in Australian society and should be rejected. You can be anywhere on the moderate left/right spectrum and accept this.

Originally Posted by elysian50

I was just expecting more mature and articulate opinions on this topic and yes I am tired of the NAZI labeling that is being used today (the 21st century) along with a host of other labels which are being used whimsically around about the place we live in.
Baseless labeling tends to ostracize and hurt people which is why it is used,it is a very effective assassination tool on ones character and is generally used when one has little else to level at another.

I guess you'll be denouncing your own comments in posts 35 and 38 then?

Don't be such a victim. The reason the UPF is currently tarnished with the Nazi label is due to various statements that leaders and others have made. More interesting has been the attempt at whitewashing these (your comments in post 29 are particularly interesting). If the label is indeed unjustified and they're tired of it, one would think that perhaps the reasonable thing to do would be to thoroughly denounce Nazism/national socialism/other Neo Nazi groups etc...

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by chamb0

You know nothing about my political stance other than that I don't like UPF or extremist groups. The reason I replied is because I think extremism of any sort has no place in Australian society and should be rejected. You can be anywhere on the moderate left/right spectrum and accept this.



I guess you'll be denouncing your own comments in posts 35 and 38 then?

Don't be such a victim. The reason the UPF is currently tarnished with the Nazi label is due to various statements that leaders and others have made. More interesting has been the attempt at whitewashing these (your comments in post 29 are particularly interesting). If the label is indeed unjustified and they're tired of it, one would think that perhaps the reasonable thing to do would be to thoroughly denounce Nazism/national socialism/other Neo Nazi groups etc...

Socialism is a leftist concept and is in complete contention with right wing views.What is particularly interesting though is what the word NAZI means in English - National socialist German workers party.Socialism is the antithesis of movements such as the UPF who are also sympathetic to the plight of Israel by the way.One the other hand socialism is one of the core tenets of the Greens,Labor and other political movements such as socialist alliance.So lets not make the mistake of focusing on individuals here such as Cotterell and others but rather just look at the movement and it's values which are all about the preservation of the lucky country, one of the reasons you drive a Ford!
Another annoyance is your use of subjective Buzz words such as ''extremism'' which I strongly doubt you or anyone else for that matter can even define,most likely developed from watching to much SUNRISE.

[elysian50]

Originally Posted by superyob

Nazi labeling is erroneous when applied to the UPF. The brownshirts of the 1930s were far more effective in dealing with the left. One is hardly a fascist because they disagree with leftist values...

Actually the left are far closer to the old NAZI party in comparison than the right will ever be. The NAZI party were progressive socialists and also aspiring globalists, just like we see in left wing parties today.The right on the other hand are conservatives who wish to protect what they have,believe in free enterprise, earning ones way and tend to hold a strong national identity with higher moral standards which not so long ago most of us also did.

[chamb0]

Originally Posted by elysian50

Actually the left are far closer to the old NAZI party in comparison than the right will ever be...Socialism is a leftist concept and is in complete contention with right wing views.What is particularly interesting though is what the word NAZI means in English - National socialist German workers party.Socialism is the antithesis of movements such as the UPF who are also sympathetic to the plight of Israel by the way.One the other hand socialism is one of the core tenets of the Greens,Labor and other political movements such as socialist alliance.

National Socialism is Nazi ideology, in the far outer space of the right wing, not socialism. Stop trying to conflate the two. Interestingly the leader Cottrell has also made anti-semitic remarks so the pro-Israel stance must be held in some remarkable tension...

UPF spokesman and youtuber Chris Shortis tried to convince viewers, quite unconvincingly, that everyday Australians who value institutions such as social welfare, hospitals, state schools, legal aid etc are in fact National Socialists. Followed immediately by the statement "and the slang term for that is Nazi."

Originally Posted by elysian50

So lets not make the mistake of focusing on individuals here such as Cotterell and others but rather just look at the movement and it's values which are all about the preservation of the lucky country, one of the reasons you drive a Ford!

You mean let's not make the mistake of listening to the leaders and spokesmen? They set and represent the movements values. If they hold grossly unrepresentative views why are they in leadership...

Originally Posted by elysian50

Another annoyance is your use of subjective Buzz words such as ''extremism'' which I strongly doubt you or anyone else for that matter can even define,most likely developed from watching to much SUNRISE.

It's not exactly rocket surgery; an extremist holds extreme political or religious views. Extremism is the holding of ideology that is far outside normal social attitudes. Do extremists consider themselves as such? I honestly don't know.

I don't watch Sunrise - I don't even have a TV. Thanks...