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02-07-2016, 06:49 AM | #31 | ||
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Here I was mistakenly thinking it was the fault of the manufacturers building cars people didn't want to buy/drive/own. Here I was mistakenly thinking they were building products which in some cases were over priced crap.
Yes some of the politicians didn't help and neither did the unions. But I fail to see why somone (for example me) has had to prop up an industry year upon year through my money (taxes) for them to build products which I do not want and have blue collar workers on wages (again using my money) way over what they're worth. Can someone explain the logic in that? And before you start, simply telling me that every country protects their auto industry is in my opinion total bull-dust and part of the reason for failure. |
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02-07-2016, 08:11 AM | #32 | |||
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02-07-2016, 01:44 PM | #33 | ||
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Yep we have cultural cringe instead. it's pharked.
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02-07-2016, 03:21 PM | #34 | |||
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even just on volume, the best selling cars in the country only sell about 3000/month. thats not enough to sustain a factory here. if they had 2 models, assuming both were high selling, it still isn't enough volume to maintain the plants here. you need exports, but given the parent companies of all local marques have factories already pumping out high volumes in low rent countries, it just wasn't viable to ship them out of australia. then there's the dollar and exchange rates etc. no cars shipped to the US from australia have ever made money. ironically, the dollar is now back to where it makes much better sense but the horse has bolted. there are many more factors. it just isn't a simple discussion and you can't even really point the finger at one particular political party. |
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02-07-2016, 03:45 PM | #35 | |||
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02-07-2016, 08:04 PM | #37 | |||
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03-07-2016, 09:14 AM | #38 | |||
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03-07-2016, 10:39 AM | #39 | ||
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So the answer is Finland, where personal tax is 51% (it did reach 62%), wish you well in watching even more of YOUR money get ****ed away.
As for being ungovernable, the morning after election night and I think the country is well and truly ungovernable. |
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03-07-2016, 11:09 AM | #40 | |||
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Why pick on car makers? Have a look and see how much goes to Gina Rhinehart. I even get government help, they subsidise my diesel. If they didn't, you couldn't afford to eat!
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03-07-2016, 12:21 PM | #41 | ||
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My money gets ****ed away now when the bogans (sorry aussie battlers) literally come home on a Thursday i.e. pay day (that's what they call it but it is really pension day) with the poor prius taxi dragging its bum because it is full of booze. Our culture has a lot of problems which we could go on forever about but we are really a long way down a track i don't think we could ever change. Finland does have high tax but you are not forking out for education and health. Like most European cultures they don't have our culture of boozing which contributes to our high health costs. I never said finland is the answer but you have to appreciate some things that other countries do. It makes me laugh when they talk of tax reform when really all the government's do is tinker on the fringe.
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03-07-2016, 02:48 PM | #42 | ||
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paying tax = doing your bit.
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03-07-2016, 06:41 PM | #43 | |||
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It was a great thing that Australia did back with the FX Holden and all the other car makers from then on, as It really put the nation on the path to make many other products, without it all we would of been a backward 3rd world nation. I can't believe people who bag outside company's who invest in our nation, all investments need to make money out of it, or why would they even bother. (Drongo) Hey could someone help us here in Australia ? (Nation) What do you want us to do for you. (Drongo) XYZ but we don't want to give you nothing dude. (Nation) Good luck dude, fork it or walk it, no one rides for free ! |
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04-07-2016, 11:44 PM | #44 | ||
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I married into a Finnish family, they love their booze!
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04-07-2016, 11:55 PM | #45 | ||
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To add one factor not mentioned yet, there's global overcapacity... in everything. Including autos.
I see source after source and chart after chart of slowing global trade, overcapacity of production, overproduction of raw materials. I'm still grappling with the question of whether it's driven by consumers withdrawing, or malinvestment caused by artificial suppression of interest rates (5000 year lows!) - or a combination of both. Interesting times, pity about the loss of the industry. If you love Aussie autos, get one while you can! |
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05-07-2016, 12:32 AM | #46 | ||
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Most European countries don't have a culture of boozing!?
Ok, I call BS on that. When I was in Poland, the men of the family I was staying with would drink a bottle of vodka each per day. In Germany, I nearly got alcohol poisoning trying to keep up with the blokes at the beer hall. In France, I thought I was going to drown in my wine glass. I'm not gonna mention my experiences in Holland though ;) |
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05-07-2016, 08:18 AM | #47 | ||
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Never said they didn't drink and you are all correct, they are big drinkers. What i meant is their booze culture is different, they generally start drinking early in life with their family but never to get off their face. They don't have the teen binge drinking culture we have that then can led to other things like harder drugs etc. But all that is off the topic. Wasnt some dude going to buy the holden factory?
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