QLD Government Short of $$, Speeding Fines Going Up !!

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"Fines and demerit points for speed camera detected speeding offences are the same as for other speeding tickets.
Current penalties for speeding

Less than 13km/h over the speed limit:
$162 + 1 demerit point.
At least 13km/h but not more than 20km/h over the speed limit:
$243 + 3 demerit points.
More than 20km/h but not more than 30km/h over the speed limit:
$406 + 4 demerit points.
More than 30km/h but not more than 40km/h over the speed limit:
$568 + 6 demerit points.
More than 40km/h over the speed limit:
$1,137 + 8 demerit points and 6 month suspension.

Double demerit points

Double demerit points apply in Queensland to drivers and motorcycle riders who commit more than 1 of the following speeding offences within a 12 month period:
Penalty set (km/h over speed limit) First offence Second offence (within a year)




Monetary penalty
21-30km/h 4 points $406 8 points $406
31-40km/h 6 points $568 12 points $568
41km/h and above 8 points and 6 months suspension $1,137 16 points and 6 months suspension $1,137

For example, if you commit a speeding offence of 25km/h over the speed limit, you will be allocated 4 demerit points for that offence. If you commit a second speeding offence of 32km/h over the speed limit within 1 year, you will be allocated 6 demerit points for the second offence, plus an additional 6 demerit points for it being within 1 year of the first offence. You will have 16 demerit points allocated to your traffic history, which will result in a driver licence sanction."
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[DJM83]

i paid much more for the 40kmh and over category 14 years ago in NSW

*before people crack the sads im not proud of it.

[uniacidz]

As a deterrent, may be needed

2 fold, more goverment pocketed money to help fund the roads (hopefully) and also make drivers think twice before speeding

Actually might be less money for the government if people smarten up and do right thing

[Junkyard-Dog]

I know this is akin to rocket science and not all of us will be able to follow the logic but a wise man taught me a valuable lesson when I first got my P plates.

"If you don't want to be fined for speeding, don't speed."

The concept of leaving the racing for the track was revolutionary to my young mind. I had just seen Tokyo drift and none of those guys got a speeding fine... what gives?

I don't know, must be witch-craft.

[Top_Ghia]

I choose not to participate. At least for the last 15 years or more.
You do have a choice people.

[Shonky.]

and you 3, are part of the reason why the government can get away with the absurd regime we have found ourselves in

nice work sheep

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

nice work sheep

Nice work not being able to control your right foot.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

and you 3, are part of the reason why the government can get away with the absurd regime we have found ourselves in

nice work sheep

What 'absurd regime' is that???

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

and you 3, are part of the reason why the government can get away with the absurd regime we have found ourselves in

nice work sheep

How many tickets have you had?

[Ansimp]

Originally Posted by uniacidz

As a deterrent, may be needed

2 fold, more goverment pocketed money to help fund the roads (hopefully) and also make drivers think twice before speeding

Actually might be less money for the government if people smarten up and do right thing

If you have driven on Qld roads you will realise this money does not get spent on our roads. As we currently have a lame duck state government maybe it is time that everything becomes federal and fees and charges become national and we stop wasting money on the wasteful bureaucracy of state governments.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by Ansimp

If you have driven on Qld roads you will realise this money does not get spent on our roads. As we currently have a lame duck state government maybe it is time that everything becomes federal and fees and charges become national and we stop wasting money on the wasteful bureaucracy of state governments.

100% what i was gunna say, the roads are crap there getting worse all the extra money does not go to roads. I gave up years ago expecting the roads to get better with the "extra funding"

[Tassie f100]

If even half of the money raised by both Federal and State Govt,s from fuel excises and taxes went to roads like it rightfully should we would have among the best road network in the world.The road related penalties would make them even better,but no it has to go to general revenue.

[HI PSI]

They must need a new tunnel in Brisbane. As we never see any money for roads in Central Queensland..

[Lane351]

Wow $162 + 1 demerit point for under 13km/h , I got slugged $417 doing 61 Km/h in 50 Km/h zone in SA and 3 demerits

[menil]

I think I heard on the news tonight that the current government has added 8000 to the public service in this term of office,
wonder where the money is going?

[Sabantien]

Okay, so Queensland spends something in excess of 4 billion dollars on roads each year.
Speeding fines don't come anywhere near that. In fact, I suspect more is spent on roads in Australia as a whole than is raised by fines and fuel taxes.

I just drove about 2,500km over the weekend, and I made a few observations.

In Queensland we have bugger all speed cameras compared to NSW.

As much as people doing 20 under the speed limit are frustrating and dangerous, the people doing 20 over or more (which tended to be 4wds and little hatchbacks) are even more so. They tend to drive quite erratically, and when a lot of driving is based on split second decisions, having someone driving far faster than expected can cause huge problems.

Heck, that's one of the reasons for speed limits. It's not that cars aren't safe enough to travel faster, it's so we know what everyone else on the road is doing.

Would I like higher speed limits? Heck yes. Would have cut hours off my traveling time on the weekend. And there's sections of the Pacific that it would be perfectly fine to do 120-130 on.

But really, I think what disturbs me the most about the anti anti speeding people is they claim it's impossible to watch the road and check your speed. It was a pretty basic thing I learnt when I was still on my Ls, and it's a heck of a lot easier if you have a digital speedo too.

I wonder if it requires a good few seconds hard staring at the readout to decipher it?
Is there a complete lack of motor control in the right foot so that they could floor it and not realise?
An inability to judge when the car is going faster and faster?
Whatever it is, sounds dangerous.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by superyob

What 'absurd regime' is that???

The one in which state governments are hamstrung between their inability to manage a budget and the fact that they can't create new taxes. So instead they promote propaganda to convince gullible people that road safety is such a pressing issue and one that is so simply solved, thus ensuring their dishonest revenue stream is not jeopardised.
20 times as many people die of cardiovascular disease as car accidents, but yet somehow the focus stays on road safety. Our once respected police force are now nothing more than thinly disguised tax collection agents for the state.
Sheep such as you revert to the old "if you don't speed you don't have to pay" mantra, thinking the impact of the lies on you is nil. But the toll on the economy of wealth being transferred from the highly effective (from a GDP creation point of view) private sector to the grossly ineffective public sector is a travesty, and one that you are disadvantaged by, even if you are obedient and swallow their jarvis. They can't even play a straight bat on tax collection, so how can we trust that they will spend the revenue raised efficiently or honestly?

[Shonky.]

ps. Superyob, my bad, I thought you were one of the 3 who jumped in with the simple "don't speed and you don't loose at the hands of the deceitful state" stance

I retract my comment where I called you a sheep, as you merely asked what I meant.....

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

20 times as many people die of cardiovascular disease as car accidents, but yet somehow the focus stays on road safety.

In many cases, that heart attack can be avoided. Many people put themselves in that situation by unhealthy eating choices. Good luck avoiding being hit by another idiot breaking the speed limit.

I can't speak for any of the other "sheep" but I've never had money taken from me by "the deceitful government" because I don't speed. Cause and effect my friend.

[theunfairadvant]

They don't need to catch people for Speeding and all they need to do is just
catch people on the phone while stopping at the lights or driving down the freeway.

This way they can easily get more than 100 tickets per cop on every shift.

[BENT_8]

Having just spent a couple of weeks in QLD all i can say is this.

If the QLD government were serious, they would target stupidity and clean up...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

The one in which state governments are hamstrung between their inability to manage a budget and the fact that they can't create new taxes. So instead they promote propaganda to convince gullible people that road safety is such a pressing issue and one that is so simply solved, thus ensuring their dishonest revenue stream is not jeopardised.
20 times as many people die of cardiovascular disease as car accidents, but yet somehow the focus stays on road safety. Our once respected police force are now nothing more than thinly disguised tax collection agents for the state.
Sheep such as you revert to the old "if you don't speed you don't have to pay" mantra, thinking the impact of the lies on you is nil. But the toll on the economy of wealth being transferred from the highly effective (from a GDP creation point of view) private sector to the grossly ineffective public sector is a travesty, and one that you are disadvantaged by, even if you are obedient and swallow their jarvis. They can't even play a straight bat on tax collection, so how can we trust that they will spend the revenue raised efficiently or honestly?

wow, how's your tinfoil hat?

not sure why you fire up at those who choose not to donate to the government. i work hard for my money, so i sure aren't going to just give it away simply because i can't control myself.

question - how is ignoring speed limits going to help?

and for what its worth, i haven't donated to the govt for 20+ years.

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by uniacidz

more goverment pocketed money to help fund the roads

Originally Posted by uniacidz

(hopefully)

Thankyou!

It'd be a shame to see the government actually spend money on the roads, especially outside the southeast corner, a few weeks ago I drove from Victoria to Queensland, and the difference in road surface quality once I got north of the Qld-NSW border was disturbing....

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

The concept of leaving the racing for the track was revolutionary to my young mind. I had just seen Tokyo drift and none of those guys got a speeding fine... what gives?

I don't know, must be witch-craft.

Go watch it again..... 1:35 is where it all comes clear.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqMi5DxARJ8

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I know this is akin to rocket science and not all of us will be able to follow the logic but a wise man taught me a valuable lesson when I first got my P plates.

"If you don't want to be fined for speeding, don't speed."

Ever heard the saying "I dont object to paying taxes, I object to what that money gets spent on"? (or words to that effect)

I dont object to speed limits, but I object to the governments mantra that "Every K over is a killer" and "Speed Kills" being the justification for painfully low speed limits on roads that are more than capable of supporting higher speeds.

If speed was such an evil thing, why didnt the road fatality rate plummet in the Northern territory when the highways had speed limits introduced? and why wasnt there a corresponding increase in fatalities when the speed limits were removed?

I recently visited the US, and it shocked hell out of me to see people regularly doing 30-40km/h over the posted limit on the freeways, and not just the odd instance, but as a regular occurrence.... the traffic flowing much faster.... and wow.... all the carnage and slaughter that I DIDNT see.

A while back I got booked for 12km over in a 100 zone, in broad daylight, in clear weather, with NO traffic other than he and I in the entire time it took for me to stop, him to give me a ticket and for us to go on our way.

I didnt object to the ticket, I was speeding, I got caught, I paid the tax for it. The part I objected to was getting told "Because of the life endangering nature of this offence"..... Life endangering? WTF?

That was the closest I've ever come to actually telling a cop that just occasionally there are times when they actually deserve the contempt and disrespect that some members of the public have for them.

But hey, its a sad condemnation of how stupid and gullible people are that they not only buy the governments line, but so many people support it and say "If you dont like the fines, dont speed"

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If the QLD government were serious, they would target stupidity and clean up...

What? Tax the caravanners and get reap the benefits of not only lowering the numbers of the dangerous geriatric old farts on the roads, and raising enough money in the process to buy the entire world?

But dont expect a tax on stupidity to ever happen..... Governments arent known for penalizing themselves.....

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by prydey

wow, how's your tinfoil hat?

not sure why you fire up at those who choose not to donate to the government. i work hard for my money, so i sure aren't going to just give it away simply because i can't control myself.

question - how is ignoring speed limits going to help?

and for what its worth, i haven't donated to the govt for 20+ years.

mate its case of bad things happening when good people do nothing

I "fire up" as you put it when people clearly accept the lies we are being fed

As per my last, just because I (and you it seems) don't pay speeding fines doesn't mean we don't loose out at the hands of the state

2 things; Firstly - Disposable income in the hands of households gets fed directly back into the economy as restaurant meals, domestic tourism, investment in home improvements etc etc

This money when stolen by the state does not create anywhere near the GDP. Its well researched how (comparatively) ineffective government spending can be at expanding the economy.

Secondly, if you do think there is a road safety issue, then you should be crying out to decouple state government revenue and road safety

You don't need a tin foil hat to appreciate that whenever there is a financial incentive to take one course of action and no incentive to take another that artificial distortions and sub-optimal choices are made.

The state is completely motivated to oversimplify the road safety issue, and coincidentally (if you don't have a tin foil hat I guess) the solutions are always revenue producing, when the fact of the matter is, that truly effective solutions actually cost money.

For all the revenue that is collected think about how little research on road safety is ever done. The closest we get is quoting the stoping distances between cars travelling at 60km/hr, vs 67km/hr, which only has the mechanical stopping distance compared. No thought is given to the impact on attention and therefore reaction time that comes from making people fearful of drifting heaven forbid a couple of km faster.

I would love to see a study where a test group drive simulators with the directive to stay at exactly 60km/hr, and a control group could then be free to drive at whatever speed they like. Put obstacles in front of both groups and see which group is more effective at avoiding them - the group that are 100% focused on avoiding obstacles, or the test group that have two tasks.

What would the answer be? Who knows. Fact is, it won't happen. Or if it did you'd get the Police commissioner hosing it down with rhetoric.

If you think that transferring $162 from the disposable income of a private household to the lazy, dishonest and ineffective state government every time someone drives 67km/h in a 60 zone is the key to making our roads safer, then I am probably wasting my time trying to give people a different perspective

[prydey]

I didn't mention safety or that i believe the government and road safety tripe. I simply agree that if you try to obey the limits, you won't lose out financially.

I'm a bit amused though that not speeding automatically means you are inattentive and oblivious. Is it not possible to drive to the conditions but not exceed a maximum limit? It's nota difficult concept.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by prydey

I simply agree that if you try to obey the limits, you won't lose out financially.

I disagree strongly

Just because you don't pay, doesn't mean it doesn't cost you

Originally Posted by prydey

I'm a bit amused though that not speeding automatically means you are inattentive and oblivious. Is it not possible to drive to the conditions but not exceed a maximum limit? It's nota difficult concept.

Inattentive or oblivious?

I never said either of those things

I just questioned whether research had been done on the impact of monitoring ones speed closely to stopping distances.

The difference in mechanical stopping distance is a small percentage, so the impact of glances at ones speed only needs to be a small percentage to offset this

Kicker is, I believe without data we don't know. I'm not going to make a stab in the dark guess. But I think the state will, because of the aforementioned financial incentive they have to do so

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Shonky.

Just because you don't pay, doesn't mean it doesn't cost you

well, if i'm not paying fines, then its not really costing me is it. if you are inferring that revenue is extracted from me via other means as a result of me not paying speeding fines, then i'm not following.

i've not had an 'at fault' accident ever, and haven't crashed or payed a road fine in over 20years, so i'll continue to do what i do.

95% of the time i'm behind the wheel, i've got cruise control activated. due to shift work i have the luxury of not driving in full peak hour and using cruise is very simple and effective. this is not a recipe for everyone, but everyone is in control of their own car and circumstance.

no one on here (so far) has mentioned anything about being safer. simply that if you drive at or below the limit, you are less likely to contribute to the govt coffers. it does not mean you agree with the reasons or think its a safer way to drive.

[Junkyard-Dog]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Ever heard the saying "I dont object to paying taxes, I object to what that money gets spent on"? (or words to that effect)

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily agree with the way speeding fines are handled in this country but I don't want to pay fines or lose my license so I don't break the speed limit. It really is that simple.

Are there times I would like to drive faster than the posted limits? Yes, of course there are... but I don't want to deal with the consequences of being caught out. You can't expect to get away with picking and choosing which laws you want to follow. If you get caught speeding you don't really have anyone to blame but yourself.

The fines might be over the top but I don't think we will really get an unbiased opinion on that, given we are on a car enthusiast's forum...

[Ansimp]

I think it must work differently in S.A to Qld. Where I have been living for the last 20 years I keep seeing speed limits and line markings that have been changed to the detriment in most cases. I am sick of seeing speed limits reduced because the government is too lazy/ broke to maintain the roads properly. The best roads condition wise seem to have the slowest posted speed limits and the least amount of overtaking sections ( broken lines). Let's have real logical speed limits and unbroken sections on good roads.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by prydey

well, if i'm not paying fines, then its not really costing me is it. if you are inferring that revenue is extracted from me via other means as a result of me not paying speeding fines, then i'm not following.

Do you think the state of the economy has any bearing at all on your wealth?

Wait, unless you are a public servant of course, in which case the speeding fine debacle is good for you

(Did not want to make it personal and ask what you do, but this is the only occupation that is not negatively impacted by the rort