Queensland Electric Super Highway

[LG17]

Originally Posted by dunga

Don't forget the lithium has to be mined and that probably involves some multinational company is a third world country using slave labour but we don't want to talk about that because electric cars are green right.

Bolivia and Australia I think.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by snowcone

Lots of greenies here talking Teslas.
Forget about the enormous and expensive Lithium battery that will also have disposal issues in the future.
You do know they have an aluminium body right?
Do you know how much electricity is required to manufacture aluminium?
You do know the electricity to make this aluminium is coming from coal fired thermal power stations right?
The whole eco thing is one big crock of steaming ****

A lot of talking here with zero understanding or not willing to research the basics.

1. Recycling:
Let's focus on Tesla's recycling process with Umicore, which is the first time we've been able to use a closed loop recycling system. Umicore's factory plants are able to recycle our batteries into completely reusable materials and substantially reduce the carbon footprint of manufacturing Lithium-ion batteries. Link

2. Aluminium Vehicle Bodies:
Aluminium was first used in car bodies in the premium segment. Thus, the first mass produced car with a full aluminium body was the Audi A8, which made its debut in 1994. Other luxury brands soon followed suit: BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Land Rover, Jaguar.

2014 saw another milestone in the automotive industry, an all-aluminium body vehicle was released in the mass market segment: it was the latest iteration of the iconic Ford-150 truck, the US's most popular pickup in the past 38 years. By switching to an all-aluminium design, the vehicle was made 315 kg lighter than the preceding model, allowing it to boast much better fuel economy and significantly lower CO2 emissions. The cargo carrying capacity was also increased, and the model has better acceleration and braking characteristics. At the same time, the truck's been given the highest reliability rating by NHTSA, five stars instead of the four stars that the previous model was given. Link

3. Electricity in Aluminium manufacturing:
Same as the non-EV as noted above at a guess. You'll also be happy to know that the Model 3 is steel based.

The Union of Concerned Scientists did the best and most rigorous assessment of the carbon footprint of Tesla's and other electric vehicles vs internal combustion vehicles including hybrids. They found that the manufacturing of a full-sized Tesla Model S rear-wheel drive car with an 85 KWH battery was equivalent to a full-sized internal combustion car except for the battery, which added 15% or one metric ton of CO2 emissions to the total manufacturing.

However, they found that this was trivial compared to the emissions avoided due to not burning fossil fuels to move the car. Before anyone says "But electricity is generated from coal!", they took that into account too, and it's included in the 53% overall reduction.


And it's probably worth asking what happens to the battery at end of lifecycle. Answer: Tesla recycles it, recovering 70% of the carbon.
Umicore’s factory plants are able to recycle our batteries into completely reusable materials and substantially reduce the carbon footprint of manufacturing Lithium-ion batteries.
The Umicore battery recycling technology is able to save at least 70 percent on CO2 emissions at the recovery and refining of these valuable metals. It does this by creating “products” and “byproducts,” rather than following a mechanical separation process. Link

4. Crock of steaming ****:
No, its a lack of wanting to accept and understanding and generalisation of "eco", that is a big crock of steaming ****. Some eco stuff is very early in it's development, but a lot of it is way past where some think it is.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Grunter

2. Aluminium Vehicle Bodies:
Aluminium was first used in car bodies in the premium segment. Thus, the first mass produced car with a full aluminium body was the Audi A8, which made its debut in 1994. Other luxury brands soon followed suit: BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Land Rover, Jaguar.

I think you'll find that Land Rover had Aluminium bodies in 1949....but we're starting to stray off topic.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

I think you'll find that Land Rover had Aluminium bodies in 1949....but we're starting to stray off topic.

Range Rover were/are Ali also.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Grunter

4. Crock of steaming ****:
No, its a lack of wanting to accept and understanding and generalisation of "eco", that is a big crock of steaming ****. Some eco stuff is very early in it's development, but a lot of it is way past where some think it is.

Some people just don't like change. Even when that change may actually be for the better......

[GASWAGON]

Massive solar farms in the hotter parts of the country charging storage batteries or sending the power down the power lines to quick charge charging stations would surely be the best option for EV's and Oz if they really want to get serious about it.