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View Poll Results: Do you support euthanasia?
Yes I support it 52 89.66%
No I don’t support it 3 5.17%
I’m undecided 3 5.17%
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Old 14-02-2019, 07:19 PM   #1
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After seeing both my grandmother and mother suffer through the pain of cancer knowing what the outcome will be I hope people will see their way to supporting euthanasia in QLD.

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We treat our pets better at end of life than we do our families.
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About time it was made national as well - this state based routine won't cut it.
At the moment you have to wait til mid year and travel to Victoria.
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This is only from what I’ve heard, so I’m not stating this as fact, but is it the case now that doctors just pump you full of morphine till you go, as a way to make you ‘comfortable’?

We’ve been lucky I guess if you could say that, that deaths in our family while not painless, have been very fast so we haven’t had to consider this, but it’s about time we had that choice for ourselves.
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This is only from what I’ve heard, so I’m not stating this as fact, but is it the case now that doctors just pump you full of morphine till you go, as a way to make you ‘comfortable’?

We’ve been lucky I guess if you could say that, that deaths in our family while not painless, have been very fast so we haven’t had to consider this, but it’s about time we had that choice for ourselves.
All drugs administered are accounted for, morphine in particular. If a doctor was to “pump you full” of any drug and was found out he would be open to every malpractice law suit under the sun.
Rumour has it that some nurses hold back certain drugs to give the patient a last dose at the right time

This is purely a rumour and I have no proof nor do I suggest that such practices happen.

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Old 15-02-2019, 03:55 AM   #6
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Old 15-02-2019, 07:28 AM   #7
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My wife is now in Paliative Care with a reasonably short time remaining. While i'm in support of Euthanasia, the decision has to be with her, the patient, and no one else. If she wishes to raise the subject, we can then discuss it, but until then, i'm not going to even mention it.
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It's a terrible situation to be in Gypzy.
We had something similar with my mother in law who was only 59!


My wife and I have discussed euthanasia and 'do not resus' situations with our sons (30 and 23yo). They know what our wishes are and are on board with our decisions.
In fact, both have made the same decisions off their own bat.


I will admit that our decisions were influenced by my many years working with people with severe disabilities, so maybe we have a different outlook to others.
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A human being should have the liberty to decide what to do with their mortal vessel.

Governments should not control life and death to the extent that they currently do.
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It's my life and my choice what I want to do with it with regards to euthanising myself. Euthanasia and suicide are illegal, fine tell that to me when I'm dead. No-one tells me what to do in this instance.

I've discussed it at length with my ex and daughters and they are totally ok with it and my peaceful self induced exit strategy. They will not assist me no matter how bad things are for me as much as they'd like to - an act of love and caring would leave them well open for prosecution.

I've recently had a mild stroke and am indeed very lucky, the clot could've been far worse for myself. It is very likely I'll recover enough to lead a normal life.

My biggest fear is becoming a catatonic vegetable, long term comatose or dependent on other people for me to "exist" where I can't end it for myself. That is not what I consider a life for me. I'd like to sign a form right now that if I don't recover after six months to give me the "green dream".

I realise the laws for euthanasia would be very hard for the policy makers to formulate, legislate and enact as it's fraught with many different scenarios. I hope some form of euthanasia medically assisted suicide is enabled, the legislation if enacted can be changed if so needed at a later date.

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A human being should have the liberty to decide what to do with their mortal vessel.

Governments should not control life and death to the extent that they currently do.
You sir are a very wise young man. Couldn’t agree more
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My father was a boxer in the Royal Navy and got out of chores by being in the boxing team. Back in those times they did not use headgear and had inappropriate disproportionate weight match ups- result he took too many hits to the head.

He now has a form of dementia flowing from this trauma, and his short term memory is nil. He started becoming unable to control his aggression and assaulted a couple of people over a squabble over car parking and garden watering in an old age village.

The Police were good and mercifully did not prosecute, and end result he has been placed in a high care dementia nursing home-and although he was a hard mean man I still find it very confronting visiting him in what is a hospital ward prison. I now just get out of that place by taking him to Nobbys beach where he can sit and look at ships because he remembers the smell of the ocean and remembers ships.

I know I never want to exist like this. Speaking to my brother my plan is when that end stage comes visiting me to sit on my balcony looking at Lake Macquarie during sunset, consume certain magic pills and then down a few bottles of red and peacefully and happily pass looking at the beautiful world.

Politicians should pull their fingers out and enact legislation to enable humans to decide their time and mode of passing, so it is humane and dignified, with appropriate safeguards in place.
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It's my life and my choice what I want to do with it with regards to euthanising myself. Euthanasia and suicide are illegal, fine tell that to me when I'm dead. No-one tells me what to do in this instance.

I've discussed it at length with my ex and daughters and they are totally ok with it and my peaceful self induced exit strategy. They will not assist me no matter how bad things are for me as much as they'd like to - an act of love and caring would leave them well open for prosecution.

I've recently had a mild stroke and am indeed very lucky, the clot could've been far worse for myself. It is very likely I'll recover enough to lead a normal life.

My biggest fear is becoming a catatonic vegetable, long term comatose or dependent on other people for me to "exist" where I can't end it for myself. That is not what I consider a life for me. I'd like to sign a form right now that if I don't recover after six months to give me the "green dream".

I realise the laws for euthanasia would be very hard for the policy makers to formulate, legislate and enact as it's fraught with many different scenarios. I hope some form of euthanasia medically assisted suicide is enabled, the legislation if enacted can be changed if so needed at a later date.

My 5 cents worth anyway. Cheers!

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I live near the old Holden manufacturing base at Elizabeth.

A lot of local businesses have been burnt by Holden's decision to pack up and go. Things that you might not even think about - the sandwich place in Elizabeth centre just closed. I know they got a lot of business from Holden workers in the past.
Exists in Mexico bud

https://www2.health.vic.gov.au/hospi...assisted-dying

Edit: No idea how that Holden quote ended up in here but how appropriate if anyone who could use assisted dying, it's the 'Commodore'
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My father was a boxer in the Royal Navy and got out of chores by being in the boxing team. Back in those times they did not use headgear and had inappropriate disproportionate weight match ups- result he took too many hits to the head.

He now has a form of dementia flowing from this trauma, and his short term memory is nil. He started becoming unable to control his aggression and assaulted a couple of people over a squabble over car parking and garden watering in an old age village.

The Police were good and mercifully did not prosecute, and end result he has been placed in a high care dementia nursing home-and although he was a hard mean man I still find it very confronting visiting him in what is a hospital ward prison. I now just get out of that place by taking him to Nobbys beach where he can sit and look at ships because he remembers the smell of the ocean and remembers ships.

I know I never want to exist like this. Speaking to my brother my plan is when that end stage comes visiting me to sit on my balcony looking at Lake Macquarie during sunset, consume certain magic pills and then down a few bottles of red and peacefully and happily pass looking at the beautiful world.

Politicians should pull their fingers out and enact legislation to enable humans to decide their time and mode of passing, so it is humane and dignified, with appropriate safeguards in place.
Mate I’m with you, Lake Macquarie and a few good reds sounds a far better option.

Im sure you’ve heard all the info about dementia from the professionals, but as a heads up the aggression is a very common issue with dementia. My girlfriends mum has been a handful to put it mildly throughout her life and became aggressive and very argumentative when she got dementure. The medication has helped immensely and also slows the dementia advancement,but I have zero idea at what stages the medications no longer helps.

Hope it helps, good luck with it all mate.
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There is more information here about making submissions:

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I'm 100% not knocking debate here, but if you have a viewpoint (and darned straight you should, unless you are certain to live forever), for Pete's sake make a submission as well through the official channels. You don't have to be a banana-bender to send in your POV.

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My father was a boxer in the Royal Navy and got out of chores by being in the boxing team. Back in those times they did not use headgear and had inappropriate disproportionate weight match ups- result he took too many hits to the head.

He now has a form of dementia flowing from this trauma, and his short term memory is nil. He started becoming unable to control his aggression and assaulted a couple of people over a squabble over car parking and garden watering in an old age village.

The Police were good and mercifully did not prosecute, and end result he has been placed in a high care dementia nursing home-and although he was a hard mean man I still find it very confronting visiting him in what is a hospital ward prison. I now just get out of that place by taking him to Nobbys beach where he can sit and look at ships because he remembers the smell of the ocean and remembers ships.

I know I never want to exist like this. Speaking to my brother my plan is when that end stage comes visiting me to sit on my balcony looking at Lake Macquarie during sunset, consume certain magic pills and then down a few bottles of red and peacefully and happily pass looking at the beautiful world.

Politicians should pull their fingers out and enact legislation to enable humans to decide their time and mode of passing, so it is humane and dignified, with appropriate safeguards in place.
We have had a similar expierience with having to put Dad into a secure Dementia ward about 12 months ago now. His wandering was out of control and he would lash out, sometimes with a knife. Our concern at the time was for Mums safety, and that of Dad who really didn't know what he was doing. This was not Dad, he wasn't a violent person. Dementia truely sucks.

I know as well, that i would never want to exist like this. I've often thought that if i'm at risk of getting Dementia, or another life ending Cancer, that i'd like to exit through the door of my choosing. Best i pull my finger out and start doing something about it, research the options, and let loved ones know of my wishes.

In regards to Dementia, there's an online course that i would strongly recomend. "Understanding Dementia". Entry closes March 31st. It's a "MOOC", (Massive Open Online Course) and is through the Wicking Dementia Research & Education Centre. Free and very informative.
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Stupid virtue signalling statement that sounds nice and fluffy but has no substance or basis in reality...

Nothing fluffy about it at all.
The vast majority of people do treat elderly or very sick pets much better than humans.
We don't let them suffer unnecessarily when there is no hope of recovery and euthanase them so they are no longer in pain.
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Because euthanasia for humans should be just like getting rid of an elderly dog, according to your statement. A pat on the snout for pesky ol grandma and then the lethal needle. Just like your pet...

The issue is far more complex than nice sounding but empty platitudes...
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You're the one saying it's just like getting rid of an elderly dog, not me.
I said we treat our animals better.
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I think if someone is of sound mind they should be able to choose. Plenty of people with terminal illness fit that but it is a complex issue.

My experience is with my grandma and her Dementia. While I think she would have preferred to have the choice, they can't actually make that decision when they are that far gone unfortunately.
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