car sales Feb 2019. Ford getting towards 2000 more than holden

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

The Chinese brands are coming.

LDV 530
MG 510
Haval 89
Great Wall 68

1,197 from 84,274 = 1.4% of the Feb 19 market.

You forgot Foton.....

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

You forgot Foton.....

and JAC. Do they make a car ??

[janddbone]

Would be interested to see a profit per unit comparison of Triton vs Ranger. Triton exists on an evolved platform over many years and shares engines. Ranger is on a unique platform and has a unique engine and ford are about to switch gears and change it up soon with merging platforms etc. Profit difference would be minimal I reckon.

[fps_grandma]

Hiluxes are everywhere.

They are the taxis of Thailand, except every passenger sits out the trayback which is fitted out with benches. It's even more fun when the driver starts driving very fast.

Originally Posted by Wretched

It does make a difference, if Ford can sell the product well, establish a good user base and it performs quite well in after sales too then there is more confidence in the engineering effort by the local team. It adds to their reference list when bidding for future projects.

Anyone can build or design the car but to engineer it for various uses, climates, and terrains (global) is not something anyone can do.

I was in Thailand last month, Ford Rangers and Toyota Hiluxes are pretty common.
It seems the fact they're manufactured locally in Thailand helps.
I wouldn't say that only Aussies share a love affair with these things despite what these journalists say.

The local TV commercials show Ford Rangers doing skids on sand and dirt.
That kind of stuff will never be aired on Aussie TV.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Would be interested to see a profit per unit comparison of Triton vs Ranger. Triton exists on an evolved platform over many years and shares engines. Ranger is on a unique platform and has a unique engine and ford are about to switch gears and change it up soon with merging platforms etc. Profit difference would be minimal I reckon.

Unique engine? The 2.0 Ecoblue in shared with Transit, Mondeo, Edge etc.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by fps_grandma

Hiluxes are everywhere.

They are the taxis of Thailand, except every passenger sits out the trayback which is fitted out with benches. It's even more fun when the driver starts driving very fast.



I was in Thailand last month, Ford Rangers and Toyota Hiluxes are pretty common.
It seems the fact they're manufactured locally in Thailand helps.
I wouldn't say that only Aussies share a love affair with these things despite what these journalists say.

The local TV commercials show Ford Rangers doing skids on sand and dirt.
That kind of stuff will never be aired on Aussie TV.

Thailand is Rangers biggest selling market. They sell about 10,000 more a year there than they do here.

[janddbone]

Ah yeah, suppose we can forget the engine it had in it since 2012 and is still available...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Ah yeah, suppose we can forget the engine it had in it since 2012 and is still available...

The same one it shared from Transit? The US Transit used it too I think. Not to mention the Troller from Brazil.

[janddbone]

Yes boss...

[Eurotrash]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

and JAC. Do they make a car ??

JAC do build passenger cars, but obviously none are sold in Australia. I'm pretty sure JAC do sell their light truck range here though, but only in QLD I believe?

JMC sell their Ute here, the Vigus, which kind of looks like the previous generation HiLux with a different front end, but sales are pretty low.

ZX Auto also had some presence in WA only, with the Grand Tiger, but I think that has gone pear shaped too. That was an old HiLux knockoff as well.

Foton actually have 3 carlines in Australia, the Tunland Ute, Sauvana SUV and the View Van - a knockoff HiAce. The Sauvana and View are way over priced, like mid $35,000 thousand and Foton won't even give any of the motoring sites a vehicle to test!

Geely and Chery no longer sell cars in Australia.

[russellw]

The graphical stats for February have been uploaded now.


Cheers
Russ

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Is interesting to see Mitsubishi do so well from regularly developing old platforms, as opposed to more substantial updates that others do. Nissan were amazed to see that Triton was much more profitable per unit than Navara, will be interesting to see where future development goes within Nissan/Renault/Mitsubishi. Secondly if Hyundai/Kia were considered together as they truly are, then they are a solid second place already.... WITHOUT A UTE!

Originally Posted by hackney

Even Triton is nipping @ the heals of Ranger! Watch this space!

Originally Posted by jpd80

Good on them, new Ute impressive sales this early, maybe
run out model sales in there too but still a strong showing

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Triton is coming, $6000 cheaper at the top level than a Ranger.

It’ll definitely make inroads from how on. ( price and a brand new model).

Originally Posted by 4stanger

And triton wants to compete in the 4x2 market too,
https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au...etail/721/7194
with petrol 4x2 with tempting offers, the MY18's are a bargain at the moment too (search carsales), but Hilux still has the petrol auto 4x2, not that every one wants one, but Toyota has that extra "variety" to choose from in this class.

Quite a lot of love for the Triton. Spending time on idyllic beaches recently in a new auto diesel combo, it was a great package for a family. Seemed to float over the sand with ease. Its longer tray was good for boards to about 6'3" diagonally (roof racks required if longer, though) and the powertrain combo was powerful and without lag. A level of refinement it didn't have before? Previous experience with gave an agricultural impression - this one was good. That there is a wagon version (Paj Sport) is good too.

If you look at Mitsi's pricing, they are very competitive, offer a great amount of value, good 4wd system too. I think their diesels are reliable? 46K for entry level Pajero - not bad. Going into a time of reduced spending everywhere and reduced cash* (*actually, bank credit), they've soldiered on with their platforms, abolished what doesn't sell (sedans) and sold good products at good prices in the segments that are firing. Well done.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It's interesting what you raise, right now if I had to replace my diesel Territory I would want a petrol SUV as the extra purchase price and higher diesel cost in Oz doesn't add up for my usage and I'd rather get back some performance instead...I've even been looking at 1 year old X5's in my spare time...and for the sake of being called a broken record...my love of the Lincoln Aviator if it were anything else but a motor vehicle would have my wife thinking I'm having an affair.

Petrol Territory and same quandry, replace with petrol AWD but what is there in the Terry price bracket? The Triton on the beaches was nice, but you aren't allowed to do that here (within 300km or so) and the carparks to the beaches are gravel at worst - so a good AWD that handles well makes most sense considering Alpine twisties for snow season and twisties on coastal roads. +1 for Aviator, but new Expedition also looks awesome!

[janddbone]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Petrol Territory and same quandry, replace with petrol AWD but what is there in the Terry price bracket? The Triton on the beaches was nice, but you aren't allowed to do that here (within 300km or so) and the carparks to the beaches are gravel at worst - so a good AWD that handles well makes most sense considering Alpine twisties for snow season and twisties on coastal roads. +1 for Aviator, but new Expedition also looks awesome!

Yep 'One Ford' an absolute failure with both new Explorer and Expedition still only LHD and no diesels even if they were... Mind you with the pricing we see on Edge I am not sure they would be competitive anyway...

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by janddbone

Yep 'One Ford' an absolute failure with both new Explorer and Expedition still only LHD and no diesels even if they were... Mind you with the pricing we see on Edge I am not sure they would be competitive anyway...

Good points you make. As much as I love the Explorer, it wouldn't sell here, with a base model price tag of around $120K and no diesel.

Ford have run the figures and there's no payback for LHD development in the LHD counties.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Quite a lot of love for the Triton. Spending time on idyllic beaches recently in a new auto diesel combo, it was a great package for a family. Seemed to float over the sand with ease. Its longer tray was good for boards to about 6'3" diagonally (roof racks required if longer, though) and the powertrain combo was powerful and without lag. A level of refinement it didn't have before? Previous experience with gave an agricultural impression - this one was good. That there is a wagon version (Paj Sport) is good too.

If you look at Mitsi's pricing, they are very competitive, offer a great amount of value, good 4wd system too. I think their diesels are reliable? 46K for entry level Pajero - not bad. Going into a time of reduced spending everywhere and reduced cash* (*actually, bank credit), they've soldiered on with their platforms, abolished what doesn't sell (sedans) and sold good products at good prices in the segments that are firing. Well done.

One sales report mentioned the Triton numbers were high mainly due to a significant number of the older models being sold for significant discounts. Not due to the popularity of the new model, which they shouldn't have significant stocks of yet. Will be interesting to see if the higher sales figures carry through the next few months though. I'd assume discounting won't be as strong on the new model. They have priced it pretty aggressively though so people who want a cheap ute will look at it.

[Sprintey]

Boss do you know when the tax incentives for dual cab utes run out and in what way? That + softening construction could give their sales a good kick in the jewels.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Boss do you know when the tax incentives for dual cab utes run out and in what way? That + softening construction could give their sales a good kick in the jewels.

There is a full technical description on the ato site

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/fring...gible_vehicles

Too technical for me , goes into curb weights and average weight of passengers in a deciding factor

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Boss do you know when the tax incentives for dual cab utes run out and in what way? That + softening construction could give their sales a good kick in the jewels.

No idea.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by au2000

There is a full technical description on the ato site

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/fring...gible_vehicles

Too technical for me , goes into curb weights and average weight of passengers in a deciding factor

Here's the skinny version,
Two conditions need to be met:
(a) Payload of at least 1 tonne or at least 8 passenger carrying

(b) If payload less than 1 Tonne, driver and passengers carrying load must not exceed remaining payload load.

Current model crew cabs have a maximum seating capacity of seven and, as such, could not qualify under the second limb of (a).

Single cab Utes with 1 tonne payload or more fits the non-FBT profile

Single Cab Ute with driver + 1 passenger (136 Kg) with at least 300 kg payload or more fits the non-FBT profile

Single Cab Ute with driver + 2 passenger (204 Kg) with at least 500 kg payload or more fits the non-FBT profile

Crew Cab Ute with driver + 4 passenger (340 Kg) with at least 700 kg payload or more fits the non-FBT profile


From the ruling:

20. Accordingly, provided that employee use of these dual cab vehicles in a particular FBT year is restricted to travel to and from work and any travel that is incidental to travel in the course of performing duties of employment, there will be no FBT liability.

That last part means not private use outside of work hours.

[au2000]

From the ruling:

20. Accordingly, provided that employee use of these dual cab vehicles in a particular FBT year is restricted to travel to and from work and any travel that is incidental to travel in the course of performing duties of employment, there will be no FBT liability.

That last part means not private use outside of work hours.[/QUOTE]


So I guess this is the real question, how many who own / lease duel cab utes claim part of them via ato and seeing that this rule is effective now will it impact the sales numbers of duel cabs and have company's now focusing on single cabs?

I know that at my work they are looking at how this FBT ruling will impact them and are considering scrapping duel cab rangers for single cab utes instead.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by au2000

From the ruling:

That last part means not private use outside of work hours.

So I guess this is the real question, how many who own / lease duel cab utes claim part of them via ato and seeing that this rule is effective now will it impact the sales numbers of duel cabs and have company's now focusing on single cabs?

That's not a new rule, Non-FBT vehicles are only supposed to be used between home and work and whatever incidental business related dravel occurs while on the clock.

I know that at my work they are looking at how this FBT ruling will impact them and are considering scrapping duel cab rangers for single cab utes instead.

Same rules apply, can't use them to drive everywhere over the weekend. Larger companies are now using
in-vehicle monitoring to monitor drivers actions (acceleration, speed , sudden braking) as well as virtual
"fence" of 2 km perimeter over the weekend.

[Syndrome]

March 2019 looks like it will be another ugly month.

[jpd80]

When the bear is after you, just run faster than the other guy