Should Electric Vehicles be Banned?

[Crazy Dazz]

It just shows the stupidity of many "Greenies" that they tout Electric Vehicles as being clean and good for the environment.

Two things to consider:

I work in the Mining Industry and have done for a good while now. Yes, Lithium is all the rage, and new projects are sprouting like weeds?
But why now? Ok so demand has risen exponentially, but why weren't these projects viable before? It's because most of these deposit are extremely low concentration, the Lithium Ore is extremely hard and expensive to grind, and very expensive to process.
So, bottom line, its an extremely "dirty" and energy consuming mineral to mine and process.

Now on to the Vehicles themselves.
EV's (including plug-in hybrids) are most heavily pushed in countries that rely on Nuclear Power.
Think about that for a minute.
Only a few years ago, mention of the word "Nuclear" or "Uranium" would have the Greenies foaming at the mouth and trying to bite you in the neck. Indeed they were chaining themselves to bulldozers around the globe.
Olympic Dam is so contaminated, you have to sign a waiver to work there. Nope, I both like my testicles, and want to limit the number to 2.
Plus of course, this is where the NIMBY factor goes ballistic.
Of course the nouveau-hippies (and there's a few in here) will prattle on about Solar Cells. Fantastic, if you're prepared to pay (without subsidy) to blanket your home in solar cells, and go completely off-grid, then have at. Unfortunately that will mean living so far out of the city, that your EV will be useless.
The Bottom line, in Australia (and most countries) is that an Electric Vehicle is effectively being run on Brown Coal. The dirtiest, filthiest, most polluting power source available. Yes, mixed in there is Solar, Wind, and Natural Gas, but that's not how it works. Obviously we prioritise clean power, and switch off the filthy stuff when and if we can. The problem is that not only are we several decades away from that, but the more we lower demand for Coal, the cheaper and more attractive it becomes. Also keep in mind that most countries in the world can't afford to be as prissy as us, so that will keep on burning coal as long as it remains cheap.

Even in a best case scenario, your EV is running on Natural Gas. So why not just save expense, inconvenience, and Lithium, and simply convert your car to gas?

So once again, just like "recycling", EV's just serve to make the Millennials feel good, whilst shifting the problem somewhere else.
In the case of a very densely populated metropolis, there is probably some benefit in shifting emissions, but the overall effect is a negative.

[Wretched]

Nope...

[lra]

Geez, Dazz.
Writing stuff like that will get you hung, drawn and quartered, stuck back together, then left out in the climate change to desiccate by the nouveau-hippies that lurk here.
Fake news, alternate facts and hysteria is what we want read and hear.
I would like to say that I agree with you, but, I also value my nuts, so ……..

[kypez]

Lithium batteries will be superseded soon enough... Long before the doom and gloom.

[aussiblue]

What about solar, wind and tidal power all options in various parts of OZ if the Government was not so pro coal, gas and oil.

[aussiblue]

Your next Ford may be electric https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50460241

Ford has unveiled its all-electric Mustang Mach-E at a glitzy event in Los Angeles that included an appearance by actor Idris Elba.

The top-range version of the car can travel up to 370 miles on a full charge and recharge 57 miles (92km) of range in 10 minutes on a high-power charge.

There are buttons in place of conventional door handles and storage space under the front bonnet.

The fastest model can accelerate from 0-60mph in under five seconds.

In comparison, the Tesla Model X 100D can do 0-60mph in 4.4 seconds.

Like the Tesla, the Mustang Mach-E has a 15.5in (40cm) touch screen beside the steering wheel.

Prices range from £44,000 to £58,000 ($44,000 to $60,000 in the US).

[Nikked]

Grumpy old man syndrome


One way or another, EV's are going to be commonplace. Technology is rapidly developing in this area, and soon there will better alternatives battery wise. Even on the charging side, renewable energy will continue to supplement our coal based sources.

To take your example of a gas powered car v's gas power plant, as gas power plant can produce power with a greater thermal efficiency than an ICE.

EV's are not just about being clean, its about finding a viable alternative to our current fossil fuel reliant ICE powered cars. Oil/gas wont last for ever, and any chance to stretch reserves is going to be investigated.

Remember, it's not just cars that need these things...much easier to switch to EV cars than a jet powered plane, or Ship. Gas is viable for heating, cooking...power production.

I always laugh when people are wholly negative towards EV cars, just slow down and put a bit more thought into the benefits.

So you love your V8? Cool, those "Nimbies", "greenies" or "millennials" or use a EV for their commutes will ultimately reduce the use of those petrol supplies so people with deep desires for petrol can enjoy it longer.

Embrace the EV.

[simon varley]

ignoring the climate, petroleum is a finite resource. Yes, I know we keep finding more and extraction technologies improve, but there is still a finite amount. Given all the other uses for it as a lubricant, source of plastics, solvents etc, does it really make sense to use it up by combustion?

[Itsme]

Sooner or later EV's will be the go, might as well be now before fossil fuel depletion gets critical.
Why ban future technology?

Cheers

[simon varley]

I suspect that, as in power generation, the final result will be a mix of technologies. EV for inner city, diesel for heavy haulage, and petrol hybrid for longer distance travel.

I'm quite excited actually

[dunga]

Even in a best case scenario, your EV is running on Natural Gas. So why not just save expense, inconvenience, and Lithium, and simply convert your car to gas?
Did you know methane (ch4) is natural gas and the green tards wont let it be extracted. Almost unlimited supply in the hunter valley .

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by dunga

Even in a best case scenario, your EV is running on Natural Gas. So why not just save expense, inconvenience, and Lithium, and simply convert your car to gas?
Did you know methane (ch4) is natural gas and the green tards wont let it be extracted. Almost unlimited supply in the hunter valley .

Gas conversions is on the decline, Servo's with Gas pumps is on the decline.
Other than the taxi industry who really uses gas these days.


Cheers.

[XR Martin]

The issue that no one ever mentions I how are vision impaired pedestrians going to be able to cope with all these near silent electric cars getting about?
Sure the ones with guide dogs will be ok, but that's only a small percentage.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Gas conversions is on the decline, Servo's with Gas pumps is on the decline.
Other than the taxi industry who really uses gas these days.


Cheers.

I said ch4 not lpg the discussion is about electric cars v alternatives what's the point of burning natural gas in a generator to produce electricity to charge an electric vehicle when you can burn the gas in an internal combustion engine and avoid all the efficiency losses .

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by dunga

I said ch4 not lpg the discussion is about electric cars v alternatives what's the point of burning natural gas in a generator to produce electricity to charge an electric vehicle when you can burn the gas in an internal combustion engine and avoid all the efficiency losses .

But a powerplant has better thermal efficiency than an ICE. A Gas turbine plant makes more power per amount of gas used than a ICE.


Plus, uses less energy to transport from production to consumer.

Not to mention less drivetrain losses.

[stock1991]

yes they should be banned, only because it takes more energy to create them than using what we have. I saw a text someone said why not solar, why not a solar /petrol hybrid

[dunga]

Originally Posted by Nikked

But a powerplant has better thermal efficiency than an ICE. A Gas turbine plant makes more power per amount of gas used than a ICE.


Plus, uses less energy to transport from production to consumer.

Not to mention less drivetrain losses.

Maybe you should advise the brain dead south Australian government that use your so called inefficient ice(running off diesel no less) to prop up their useless electricity grid the error of their ways.

[dunga]

Originally Posted by stock1991

yes they should be banned, only because it takes more energy to create them than using what we have. I saw a text someone said why not solar, why not a solar /petrol hybrid

Now if only I could find a place to put those 100 solar panels on my car roof

[stock1991]

i want to drive a falcon, if somehow I could save the world doing that, would be great. Most likely I'm a dinosaur

[stock1991]

We could live here and be happier with less/ Sting. ok he was a multi millionaire when he wrote that, the point was less is more. I assume im not making any sense

[Cashie]

Nope!

[Falcon SXR8]

Yeah why not, lets ban the mongrel things. Time to get back to the glory days

[wodahs]

next you'll all be posting threads bout how choppers should be ban from fire fighting use as the rotters fan the flames

[hayseed]

I Think threads Like This one should be banned....

[xxx000]

You know the tables have turned when panicked threads like this appear.
The funniest post is the one suggesting EV"s should be banned because they're too quiet and blind people might get hit by them.
Reminds me of the claim that "people will die" as a result of the ban on single use plastic bags.

All this thread shows me yet again is the irrational fear of change that many people have.
Remember, if nothing changes..... nothing changes

[Citroënbender]

I could totally do with a self driving car today. Another 40 minutes sleep on the way to work would be great.

[roKWiz]

I could totally do with a self driving car today. Another 40 minutes sleep on the way to work would be great.



An electric truck driven by a robot that builds stone walls would be nice, thanks, then I can lay back and watch the money roll in......

Would give me more time to work on the smoking, dirty oily 2 stoke diesel Louisville.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Would give me more time to work on the smoking, dirty oily 2 stoke diesel

LooselyBuilt.

fixed it for you

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by xxx000

You know the tables have turned when panicked threads like this appear.
The funniest post is the one suggesting EV"s should be banned because they're too quiet and blind people might get hit by them.

Never said they should be banned, just something that needs to be considered.
Accommodations are made for the disadvantaged everywhere, for example every new business has to be wheelchair accessible, and have wheelchair parking.

If you don't think silent electric cars are going to have to emit some sort of identifiable noise in the future, you are kidding yourself.
Just wait until a blind person walks in front on one and gets hit.

[dunga]

It will all sort itself out as soon as they start taxing them for road levies as per every liter of petrol you buy they will not stack up economocally as for the demise of petrol I see new service stations being built but none closing in my area.