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04-04-2006, 11:41 AM
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Anyone happen to have a copy of the Australian Standard documents regarding radar gun calibrations handy?
Specifically looking for how often they need to be serviced/inspected/calibrated. Cheers Nick
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04-04-2006, 11:45 AM
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Allan Smithee
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Every 12 months they must be callibrated.
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04-04-2006, 11:54 AM
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I thought hand held radars are meant to be calibrated before each use.
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04-04-2006, 11:58 AM
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Mopar/No Car
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Yeah, everyone I ask has a different story... Tis why I wanted to get hold of someone with the Aussie Standards document.
My understanding was that they need to be calibrated weekly. But I'm probably wrong.
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04-04-2006, 12:04 PM
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Australian standard 2898.2-2003... lol, available for purchase from SAI Global...
Preview here: http://www.standards.com.au/PDFTemp/...2800/28982.pdf Suggests it contains the information you require nick. So... what did you get done at? 
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04-04-2006, 12:06 PM
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It was... *ahem* a... mate...
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04-04-2006, 12:06 PM
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Oh... might also be in 2898.1-2003
And 4691.1-2003 and 4691.2-2003 for laser based stuff. Hmmm... about $150 worth of Australian Standards all up. Lol
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04-04-2006, 12:07 PM
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04-04-2006, 12:07 PM
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This is why I wanted info from someone who'd already bought them!
I knew I shouldn;t have quit the law firm - we had all this stuff in the office, and if we didn;t, all we had to do was find an unsuspecting client to charge it to...
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04-04-2006, 02:57 PM
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Allan Smithee
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Firstly you need to establish what type of instrument your speed was detected with. If it was a hand held radar then it must be calibrated every 12 months. It must be tested before each use. They are different.
If it was a hand held laser then it must also be calibrated every 12 months. The laser be also be tested befor eeach use. I am not 100% certain but there will be a designated area with marked distances to test the laser. If it is a speed camera then christ knows. If you were intercepted by police then it is more than likely that you were checked with a laser. If you received a speeding ticket you should elect to contest it then, once the police informant has served you with a summons you should request a copy of the brief. Any Legal Aid Office has pro-forma version of these that you cen get for nothing. The brief will have the certificate noting the calibration data of the speed measuring device. If the device was not certified then you would never have received the summons. This IS the correct information with regards to VICTORIA. Every state is different. If you want any other advice you can PM me. Good Luck! BA_Turbs
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04-04-2006, 03:25 PM
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To my knowledge, the QP9's (police briefs) for speeding in Qld don't contain a calibration or testing cert. as a matter of course. Spose we shall soon find out.
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04-04-2006, 03:33 PM
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It was an Ultralight hand held Laser, and I have requested the QPS operating proceedures manual for him Nick, see if it was being used in accordance to the standards.
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04-04-2006, 05:35 PM
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How fast was this *mate* done at?
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04-04-2006, 06:18 PM
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If it was raining, they cannot use radar. Thats in the radar manual for NSW, Vic and Tas.
As far as being calibrated, the stupid cops have the stupid govt making laws to make contesting calibration issues almost foolproof in their favour. The regualtions state "if there is the calibration seal on it and it is in date, the device is deemed to be accurate, as long as it was used correctly". So what you have to prove is that it was operated incorrectly. To do that you need the operations manual for the radar. Its pretty impossible to get, but thats ok.... What you do now is find any manual for the radar used from anywhere in the world (theres the tassie one on the net, as well as the nsw one), look for problems with how you were detected. When you have found the reason for the wrong reading, it is 100% likely the manual is the same as for the Vic police force or whatever, and you use this as your defence. If you go to court, you still perhaps have no proof of this discrepency in the radar manual, but you get the cop on the stand and question him about it all, everything has to be in questions...bit hard, like the game jeapardy! Anyway say this "it states in the (maybe) NSW police radar manual, the tasmanian police radar manual, etc that you cannot use radar in inclement weather, does it also state in the VIC manual the same?" and he probably wont answer correctly, you insist, and the judge will insist, and he will admit it. Then all you have to do is show the proof that what you said was true, as far as meterolgy reports for rain, photos of reflective signs, etc. |
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04-04-2006, 06:23 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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The only way you are going to get anywhere os to get an ******** solicitor/barrister and try to get the informant to contradict themselves. It's not easy but it's happened before.
BTW ED Manual, if the polcie are stupid and you get caught.. what does that make you ?
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04-04-2006, 06:27 PM
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In the ACT, the white van's are only calibrated to 50 odd metres. I was with them when they calibrated one once.
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04-04-2006, 06:28 PM
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XA Coupe: If I get caught for speeding when I am not speeding, that makes me innocent. And there is probably a reason. Thats what you have to find out....why were they wrong with that reading? You know I'm right!
Never believe the word of a cop just because they are one. I had one lying under oath in court. Wish I couldve proved it.... Just remember they may have a reading, but there are reasons it may be wrong. Last edited by EDManual; 04-04-2006 at 06:39 PM. |
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04-04-2006, 06:44 PM
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Yep.. everyone in prison is innocent
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04-04-2006, 07:01 PM
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04-04-2006, 08:38 PM
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04-04-2006, 09:04 PM
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Send a PM to "Ben Nurmi", he hasn't posted here since November last year, but he has the Operating Guidelines for police mounted RADAR. Hope this helps.
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04-04-2006, 09:11 PM
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04-04-2006, 09:30 PM
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Mate your gone,
"I had one lying under oath in court. Wish I could ve proved it...." I proved the S#$% head Cop was lying and the court could not do a thing, The court seen it my way and so did the prosecutor. Man they thing they are god, more like dogs |
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04-04-2006, 11:16 PM
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As your live in Brisvegas I am assuming your "known associate" was rolled in QLD.
If the device used was hand held then is would be a LIDAR as the hand held radars were taken out of service a while ago. The procedure followed in QLD is: The officer observes traffic that appears to be speeding. (They are very good at this as they do it every day although some vehicles are more difficult than others) The LIDAR has a sight and the suspect vehicle is centred in the sight and the laser engaged. A reading is taken and if you are sufficiently over you get rolled. Note. You get LIDARed after you are observed speeding. I have played with a few of these gizmos (I have friends in low places) and they are red hot accurate and I easily read several cars individually in 2 lanes out to about 400m. If you, I mean your friend, were rolled and the copper was not a pimply faced youth on his first day you are basicly buggered. Please note that premier pete's band of tax collectors will fight you to hell freezes over and spend $sqillions (which you will have to pay when they are awarded costs) to beat you as even though Magistrates Court is not a court of record the potential publicity and media beatup will interfere with road tax. GM You are a solicitor, you should already know these things...... |
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05-04-2006, 09:16 AM
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I knew that much, flappist - Just wanted the calibration specs, as the gun in question hadn't been calibrated for quite some time.
In defence of my character, I don't have a current practicing certificate, so I'm not a real lawyer...
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1) You sound reasonably normal. 2) I have not received an invoice for your reply on this thread.....  : :
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05-04-2006, 12:52 PM
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The effect of rain is a good thing to take into account. There were horrible sotrms around bris yesterday. I don't know what the humidity was like there, but up here it was 80%. I imagine humidity would have an effect due to the amount of water in the air.
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