EF XR6 is this becoming rare?

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

I've noticed a couple of EF XR's parked up in my suburb.
White XR6 in a carport, on blocks, missing wheels and a red XR8 on the side of a driveway just fading away in the sun. They're one of my favourite XR models, always wondered whats going on with them, but with no garage space left no point door knocking to ask.

If the front bars, lights & bucket seats etc are in really good nick & the price is right....

[Sprintey]

This is exciting, I remember years back when people would come across me with the XW V8 (value 4K) and say "Never sell it," - the E series XRs are at that stage now...

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

This is exciting, I remember years back when people would come across me with the XW V8 (value 4K) and say "Never sell it," - the E series XRs are at that stage now...

At the risk of being lambasted for repeating something that may have been mentioned, the ELXR6 will be a future collectable. If you think about it, the EL was the first 6 cylinder Falcon Ford got right in all departments. It was fast, it handled, it stopped and looked fantastic with arguably the best of the quad headlight fronts in the E series. Best of all, being a lighter car, it was nearly as quick as the V8 and probably handled better through corners. If I come across a clean example, I will consider ''putting one away'' as you wouldn't lose money.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Roostercam

At the risk of being lambasted for repeating something that may have been mentioned, the ELXR6 will be a future collectable. If you think about it, the EL was the first 6 cylinder Falcon Ford got right in all departments. It was fast, it handled, it stopped and looked fantastic with arguably the best of the quad headlight fronts in the E series. Best of all, being a lighter car, it was nearly as quick as the V8 and probably handled better through corners. If I come across a clean example, I will consider ''putting one away'' as you wouldn't lose money.

EL XR will be desirable but only the series 2 8cyl version due to the 185kw Windsor.
You get everything great about the EL with the superior V8.

From that era id go ED Sprint>EB GT>EL GT>EL2 XR8

IMO, the only NA XR6 worth owning is a S2 or 3 AU in VCT form.

[au350hp]

I agree entirely about the 8 been more desirable, having owned 6 & 8 cylinder E series sedans & wags, they were a good all rounder. The articles I have read were all pointing to the XR6 for its performance, handling & looks. It was also an important car in the lead up to the B series turbo's.

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

EL XR will be desirable but only the series 2 8cyl version due to the 185kw Windsor.
You get everything great about the EL with the superior V8.

From that era id go ED Sprint>EB GT>EL GT>EL2 XR8

IMO, the only NA XR6 worth owning is a S2 or 3 AU in VCT form.

I'm not sure about the 185kw being much, if at all fast than the equivalent 6cyl. But certainly id prefer the S2 EL2 XR8.

but to the OP, what you have is not desirable; unless it appeals to you individually, not really to a market.

I have a mate with possibly the cleanest 5spd EB xr6 you'll find, with original 60000kms wheels and spare, and only mods is CAI and exhaust and shortened springs/shocks. He'd be lucky to get 5k now. It'll be another 15years before he can add another 5k to that, the market just isn't there because unfortunately there's a lot more car you can buy for the same price. The market is quite small for anyone willing to spend the money on a clean 90's 6cyl.

[elgt146]

The E Series are becoming more desirable but will be a long time before they are worth alot.
One, there is less of them around and people who have had them in the past, are wanting to relive and get their bums back into one. They are still affordable.
Two, they are the perfect cheap donor vehicle now for Barra Conversions. We saw this with the XD, XE Series which have gone up in price so the E-Series is next.
Standard Factory original models with books will command more money. Fitted with or without Tickford Kit may not vary pricing. We saw delete stripe option GT's start going for good money because they were more rare and unique. People will start to look out for unique cars in that series. Police Specials, One off Orders, Delete Options.
Manuals will go for more than Auto. Especially a Manual that hasn't had a firewall/ Clutch Assembly fix as the metal fatigues.
People are talking and looking for E Series & AU, so the good ones are starting to be found and stored away. Now is the time to buy.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by elgt146

The E Series are becoming more desirable but will be a long time before they are worth alot.
One, there is less of them around and people who have had them in the past, are wanting to relive and get their bums back into one. They are still affordable.
Two, they are the perfect cheap donor vehicle now for Barra Conversions. We saw this with the XD, XE Series which have gone up in price so the E-Series is next.
Standard Factory original models with books will command more money. Fitted with or without Tickford Kit may not vary pricing. We saw delete stripe option GT's start going for good money because they were more rare and unique. People will start to look out for unique cars in that series. Police Specials, One off Orders, Delete Options.
Manuals will go for more than Auto. Especially a Manual that hasn't had a firewall/ Clutch Assembly fix as the metal fatigues.
People are talking and looking for E Series & AU, so the good ones are starting to be found and stored away. Now is the time to buy.

I agree pretty much with everything you say. I switched from E series XR8's to AU XR8's a few years back & I love them. A great car with so much R&D in it, I'm not surprised they drive so well. I watch the 2nd hand market very closely & the market on 220kw series II & III sedans has firmed nicely. It is becoming difficult to find any real value with the 220kw sedans. The AU ute's are the same. Anything nice is rare & whilst 12 months ago, a car would take 90+days to sell, it is not the case currently. I don't know if one day my AU's value will climb to the heights of the 60's & 70's Fords but in ten years time, it will be very interesting to see whats what. The great looking XD/E ESP represents the last 302/351 Cleveland built here & was the end of Ford's 60's & 70's Muscle car presence for many years. It will be interesting to see how the T2 & T3 Tickford sedans will stand up in another 5-10 years. They are such a unique car,and a big statement for Ford Australia at the start of a new millennium.

[cm29579]

Originally Posted by Roostercam

I agree pretty much with everything you say. I switched from E series XR8's to AU XR8's a few years back & I love them. A great car with so much R&D in it, I'm not surprised they drive so well. I watch the 2nd hand market very closely & the market on 220kw series II & III sedans has firmed nicely. It is becoming difficult to find any real value with the 220kw sedans. The AU ute's are the same. Anything nice is rare & whilst 12 months ago, a car would take 90+days to sell, it is not the case currently. I don't know if one day my AU's value will climb to the heights of the 60's & 70's Fords but in ten years time, it will be very interesting to see whats what. The great looking XD/E ESP represents the last 302/351 Cleveland built here & was the end of Ford's 60's & 70's Muscle car presence for many years. It will be interesting to see how the T2 & T3 Tickford sedans will stand up in another 5-10 years. They are such a unique car,and a big statement for Ford Australia at the start of a new millennium.

You have probably seen that currently on carsales, there is just 2 AUIII XR8s on there. The same two are at a dreamers price and have been on there for more than a year each. I have never seen the market so thin. I bought mine in June last year for $7,500, excellent condition, 132,00km. I didn't even want one (already had a white XR6 '01 for many years), but had lusted after a blueprint one for years and the fact it had dual fuel sealed the deal for me. It would probably go for over $9,000 right now. Getting anyone to pay 5 figures is another story though.

There's a TE50 locally trying to fetch $38,000. You would need the specific model looking buyer to even get half that. These people should just drive and enjoy their cars instead of looking at them as investments, as in most cases, what they are worth and what they would sell for are vastly different numbers.

[Maka]

I dont really care what my car is worth tbh, I'm just happy to own & drive something i like.

Mines a keeper for its driving atributes not its long term value or its street cred, i just love the look & the fact its well built & a very reliable Tickford Falcon!

cheers, Maka

[au350hp]

What he said.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by cm29579

You have probably seen that currently on carsales, there is just 2 AUIII XR8s on there. The same two are at a dreamers price and have been on there for more than a year each. I have never seen the market so thin. I bought mine in June last year for $7,500, excellent condition, 132,00km. I didn't even want one (already had a white XR6 '01 for many years), but had lusted after a blueprint one for years and the fact it had dual fuel sealed the deal for me. It would probably go for over $9,000 right now. Getting anyone to pay 5 figures is another story though.

There's a TE50 locally trying to fetch $38,000. You would need the specific model looking buyer to even get half that. These people should just drive and enjoy their cars instead of looking at them as investments, as in most cases, what they are worth and what they would sell for are vastly different numbers.

Yes, Carsales is one site of three I regularly visit along with some trade mags and a few mates who have been in the industry, for longer than they would like to admit. The golden rule for anythings 2nd hand value, regardless of trends or estimated values, is what any one person is prepared to pay on the day. I'm sure there are many older members like myself who have poured big dollars and many hours into cars to see them fetch a quarter of what ''their worth''.

[Sprintey]

Here you go Maka et al, a bit of history:

https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/feature...-fairmont-ghia

Not quite the XR6 but its driveline, beating the Calais. Mention is made of the overall refinement (like XY), the variable ratio steering, good execution of interior, and overall ride/handling balance.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by Roostercam

I beg to differ re EFII XR's not having 16''s. I believe that was one of the changes, and the AU sharks were slightly different with flat edges on the spoke. I have owned most of the cars mentioned, that is my reference point, but Ford do all sorts of crazy option sales during each models lifetime, so anything is possible. I am sure E series wheels fit AU but not the other way around.

True, the 16" AU wheels were different to the 16" EF/EL wheels. And you may be right, Ford (or a dealer) may have offered 16" at no extra cost some time during the EFII's lifecycle, but brochure-spec EFIIs had 15" standard (and they were identical with the EF 15" wheels).

The EF XR brochure on this forum is that of the EFII. Passenger airbag is the tell-tale sign: that didn't become available as an option until the EFII.

[falcon_bandit]

a good nick EF/EL/AU XR6 might be a rare find, but people only buy these if they can get them dirt cheap as they are considered a budget car for many. For these to appreciate in value, means your expecting these same 'low spenders' to grow old and one day want to spend big on these? Wont happen.

[GO FURTHER]

In the future, I feel the only Falcons that will have some appreciated value will be the V8's and Barra turbos and maybe rarer limited run performance models. Manuals more so.

The NA sixes won't be worth much as collectables, including those with body kits. Whilst being eye candy and head turners, but with no go to match, won't be on too many collector lists.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by falcon_bandit

a good nick EF/EL/AU XR6 might be a rare find, but people only buy these if they can get them dirt cheap as they are considered a budget car for many. For these to appreciate in value, means your expecting these same 'low spenders' to grow old and one day want to spend big on these? Wont happen.

All cars start to go up in price when they get scarce, heck even a hq Holden isn't cheap these days.

They will never be worth big dollars though, they will be reserved in future for the EL GT.
If I had the gt in my garage, it would be staying there. An xr, not so much.

[commodorenutt]

People said the same thing about the ultimate boganmobile - a VN commodore, but look at what a good VN SS pulls these days - and it's not even a HSV.

As times move on, and the young kids from the era start to want projects, the focus will move towwards 90s cars, just like it has passed through 60s, 70s & 80s models - albeit with decreasing numbers as time moves on (either defecting to imported makes from the era, or not being interested in cars). The 90s will be next - and the VN SS, as well as early HSVs, are proof of that.

I think there will definitely be a market, and therefore growing values, for the EF & EL XR6 in the future, but it's some way off, and they won't pull as much as an XR8, but they'll still get good money. The unique front body treatment also helps differentiate them too. Despite being a 6, they were still a bit of a hero car due to the V8 performance levels (unlike the V6 Commodore S vs the SS).

Don't be put off by it only being an XR6, and not a V8 or luxury model. I had the choice between a VH SL/E (5.0L) and a VH Group 1 SS (4.2L) some 25 years ago - both were the same price. By the mid 2000s the SS was worth $30K, the SL/E would struggle to raise $7K. Different story now - SL/Es are getting >$20K these days, while that Group 1 would still struggle to get past $35K. Even basic 6 cylinder early models are shooting up in value - hell look at a good XD/XE/XF - rare as hen's teeth now, and all growing in value.

[Maka]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In the future, I feel the only Falcons that will have some appreciated value will be the V8's and Barra turbos and maybe rarer limited run performance models. Manuals more so.

The NA sixes won't be worth much as collectables, including those with body kits. Whilst being eye candy and head turners, but with no go to match, won't be on too many collector lists.

They do go ok after a little tickle lol, handling is their thing though. Not much to do to match stock v8 power & those mods usually give you better fuel economy too.

Mine goes alright, & if i want some real extra grunt, the well travelled path to Barra turbo goodness would be my next step.

Tbh atm though, i would rather trick suspension & big brakes first for my vct lol!

cheers, Maka

[GASWAGON]

Saw another XR6 Wagon in Yarra Junction on Melbourne cup day.

Bright red and very clean.

They're still getting around.

I'll buy one again when I get the money to put away and drive on special days only one day.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In the future, I feel the only Falcons that will have some appreciated value will be the V8's and Barra turbos and maybe rarer limited run performance models. Manuals more so.

The NA sixes won't be worth much as collectables, including those with body kits. Whilst being eye candy and head turners, but with no go to match, won't be on too many collector lists.

You're probably right, in that sixes probably won't be worth as much, but they'd still be collectible - especially an EB2 S XR6 manual - the one that started it all.

[Maka]

The Tickford Falcon hot 6 will probably never reach roughly 35% - 40% of the original purchase price though future car modders building big dollar v8 or turbo Barra Falcon mockups will pay overs when there is nothing left to buy cheap.

Day by day they are all getting rarer & going up in value modestly but if your main thing is buying a Tickford 6 to store & not drive well you may be waiting for a long time, get it out & enjoy driving it, mines atm a daily lol!

cheers, Maka

[Windsor220]

If any XR6 is going to be worth something it will probably be the original EB XR6. An untouched clean version if any still exist.

[au350hp]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

In the future, I feel the only Falcons that will have some appreciated value will be the V8's and Barra turbos and maybe rarer limited run performance models. Manuals more so.

The NA sixes won't be worth much as collectables, including those with body kits. Whilst being eye candy and head turners, but with no go to match, won't be on too many collector lists.

We fall in love with design & looks before we even know whats under the hood. I think I speak for most when I say it's the look & sound of our cars, not the power output that gives us the most joy.

[stock1991]

Originally Posted by Roostercam

We fall in love with design & looks before we even know whats under the hood. I think I speak for most when I say it's the look & sound of our cars, not the power output that gives us the most joy.

saying that I remember my boss buying an el GT and I drove it to the exhaust place. After he had had it lowered it was , to me the biggest pig to drive, loud and hard suspension. I mentioned Ford spent X amount of millions to set up this car and you have f&%^ed it completely . he said I don't care as long as it looks good and sounds good

[Tghia06]

Just revisiting this thread 3 years on to see how much has changed in that time. I had a 1994 red ef xr6 manual almost 20 years ago and have always liked the model and am trying to find something now. I am finding not many listings anymore and most ef/el xr6 are listed up as wanted to buy ads. I've found a dark blue '94 xr6 that looks pretty good and original for 4k which seems pretty reasonable in this current climate. They seem to be heading into quite desirable category.

[FPV414]

Originally Posted by FPV414

Show me where these XR's are changing hands for peanuts. Think you may need to have a closer look. Hard to find an ED XR8 for sale these days, XR6 in unmolested nick even harder. Can't remember the last time I saw a EB or EB2 XR6 for sale either. Show me the links and I'll try to agree with you. They aren't worth much now but they are snapped up very quickly in any condition with some people thinking of putting them away long term.

I think we'll be bumping threads like this in a few years to see who was well off the mark and call them out.

Good bump TGhia. The whole corona market has accelerated the "late model muscle" price growth to another level. I have seen EB ED XR8 in full restoration required condition - go for upwards of $11k.

Many EF XR8 are going over $10k.

Correct that most of the posts around about these cars are WTB, and not cars that are for sale.

We are seeing the same shift in the market for Fords that we saw in VN and VL a few years back. Pay the premium now or weep that you didn't in the future.