Petrol Prices = WTF?

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by kypez

I do find it funny that you dump on Electric cars and their owners and then complain about fuel costs.

You really should stop posting until you complete a refresher in basic English comprehension.
Not sure how on earth you could conclude I was complaining about Petrol prices, when I clearly said that I was filling up on Diesel??? (And my TTG runs on LPG)

And for the record, I don't dump on Electric Cars or their owners per se.
I dump on those who:

1. Calculate the cost of running an Electric Car by assuming the charging and operating process is 100% efficient
2. Think buying a Tesla will pay for itself
3. Claim Electricity is cleaner, when it's actually being generated from Brown Coal
4. Believe that buying an overpriced POS product ten years ago, makes them smart, because in 30 years they will be better.
5. Believes that by buying anything with Hybrid tacked onto the name, they have done their duty and saved the planet
6. Thinks that eliminating any emissions form their tiny personal vehicle, represents even a a drop in the bucket of total vehicular emissions
7. Has been bleating for the last 30 years that ICE will have disappeared completely "within a decade" even though we're probably still half a century away from Viable Electric Heavy Transport
8. Anybody that thinks riding in any conveyance propelled by an electric motor is in anyway comparable to a V8.

With double disdain for those who additionally feel that any of the above entitles them to feel morally superior

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

You really should stop posting until you complete a refresher in basic English comprehension.

Not sure how on earth you could conclude I was complaining about Petrol prices, when I clearly said that I was filling up on Diesel??? (And my TTG runs on LPG)



And for the record, I don't dump on Electric Cars or their owners per se.

I dump on those who:

1. Calculate the cost of running an Electric Car by assuming the charging and operating process is 100% efficient
   
2. Think buying a Tesla will pay for itself
   
3. Claim Electricity is cleaner, when it's actually being generated from Brown Coal
   
4. Believe that buying an overpriced POS product ten years ago, makes them smart, because in 30 years they will be better.
   
5. Believes that by buying anything with Hybrid tacked onto the name, they have done their duty and saved the planet
   
6. Thinks that eliminating any emissions form their tiny personal vehicle, represents even a a drop in the bucket of total vehicular emissions
   
7. Has been bleating for the last 30 years that ICE will have disappeared completely "within a decade" even though we're probably still half a century away from Viable Electric Heavy Transport
   
8. Anybody that thinks riding in any conveyance propelled by an electric motor is in anyway comparable to a V8.
   

With double disdain for those who additionally feel that any of the above entitles them to feel morally superior

Fair enough.

Some just want a fast car without paying a penalty of fuel prices. Diesel or otherwise. Still expensive.

Just clicked over 100,000 kms. In the Sprint, GTF or Mustang, that's about $25,000-$30,000 worth of fuel. Throw in servicing, the inflection point is much quicker than you think if you do the kms. Brown, black, white coal, meh, I don't really care all that much.

Anyway, back on topic, how about those fuel prices! It's $1.989 near home.

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[T3rminator]

What is actually driving up the prices? Can't be crude? I don't recall seeing it anywhere near $2.00 during 2013 - 2014 (wasn't in the country before then till 2008 so can't comment)

[kypez]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What is actually driving up the prices? Can't be crude? I don't recall seeing it anywhere near $2.00 during 2013 - 2014 (wasn't in the country before then till 2008 so can't comment)



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School holidays

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[hayseed]

Originally Posted by kypez

School holidays

That. Plus all the Lockdowns, Travel restrictions & Border Closures.
Fuel use has dropped considerably, Yet the Fuel Companies still have the same Fixed costs, But with less Volume to Spread those costs over, Everyone still using Fuel is being Reamed...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kypez

School holidays

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Also other things have an effect on fuel prices like clouds present in the sky, full moon, Ramadan, AFL Grand Final, Tokyo Olympics, COVID, 9/11, 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings, Christmas, Ned Kelly, Barnaby Joyce starting another family, clear skies, SARS, house prices, Eid, where Christine Nixon is, French submarines, bitcoin, Edmund Barton, Easter, Hillsong Church, Bill Cosby and Ebola.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Also other things have an effect on fuel prices like clouds present in the sky, full moon, Ramadan, AFL Grand Final, Tokyo Olympics, COVID, 9/11, 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings, Christmas, Ned Kelly, Barnaby Joyce starting another family, clear skies, SARS, house prices, Eid, where Christine Nixon is, French submarines, bitcoin, Edmund Barton, Easter, Hillsong Church, Bill Cosby and Ebola.

Cant believe you left everything else off that list

[T3rminator]

Who sets the prices at individual petrol stations? Do the station managers know when prices will move ahead of time, like a week in advance?

[Franco Cozzo]

Our local servo in town is always 10-15 cents more expensive than the one in the next town along or what Melbourne is.

Its always very quick to put prices up but they don't come down real quick

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Our local servo in town is always 10-15 cents more expensive than the one in the next town along or what Melbourne is.

Its always very quick to put prices up but they don't come down real quick

Vice versa, certain stations keep prices low and are slower to move up. Not just the indies, but even BPs and Shells. The Shell on the corner of Chapel St and Princess Hwy / Dandenong Rd is always low, and they are very slow to increase. Hence why I was curious who actually sets the price. Head office or do the station managers have some control?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Vice versa, certain stations keep prices low and are slower to move up. Not just the indies, but even BPs and Shells. The Shell on the corner of Chapel St and Princess Hwy / Dandenong Rd is always low, and they are very slow to increase. Hence why I was curious who actually sets the price. Head office or do the station managers have some control?

I don't know how it works these days but a while ago servo's had to pay for fuel when it was being delivered.

So if the gate price went up since the last delivery, so did the servo's price...... fast.

However if the price of the recently delivered fuel was less than the last drop, the pump price strangely takes longer to go down

And I hope no one fuels up when the tanker is there

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Who sets the prices at individual petrol stations? Do the station managers know when prices will move ahead of time, like a week in advance?

It's one mystery always keeping us in the dark.
You have your truly independents and then you'll have a group of sites owned by a single business (so technically independent) and then there will be company owned sites.

The big dark secret is how do they set their price. With tech new prices could just as easily be sent out in sms, email or through the POS software uplink. If a competitor down the road is making sales difficult then an individual site needs to refer back to "managers' for price support.

Last week news reports came through of planned jumps to $1.75/L for 91ron. On my to work the next day, 2 7-Eleven's hit that $1.75, at one a BP diagonally opposite stayed at $1.30ish so later that evening 7-Eleven dropped back a little than price matched BP, the Liberty near Moorabbin DFO stayed low as well so the $1.75/L didn't last too long.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Also other things have an effect on fuel prices like clouds present in the sky, full moon, Ramadan, AFL Grand Final, Tokyo Olympics, COVID, 9/11, 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings, Christmas, Ned Kelly, Barnaby Joyce starting another family, clear skies, SARS, house prices, Eid, where Christine Nixon is, French submarines, bitcoin, Edmund Barton, Easter, Hillsong Church, Bill Cosby and Ebola.

You forgot to mention the in-grown toe nail of the security guard at the terminal gate....this causes slow walk arounds of the tankers until special steel capped boot's with bulging extensions are fitted by the staff...and until then this slows delivery supplies and word gets out to the media, hence a jump in demand and/or drop in supply and as we are all told when demand jumps or supply drops ...up goes the price.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

And I hope no one fuels up when the tanker is there

Nope, never, the ghost of Gaso haunts my passenger seat and always tells me to "Keep driving boy"

The old man was always red hot on that rule too.

[five 7]

Umm you lot have it easy, we get bent over here.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by five 7

Umm you lot have it easy, we get bent over here.

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Come over here when the borders open up and save 50 cents/L on fuel - I think half of NZ lives in Brisbane/Gold Coast

Come over Monday morning, by Monday night you'd be in your new exciting career as a bouncer at a night club, you guys and Islanders have the monopoly on that industry in Australia

Please let me in with my steel capped boots, I'm not here to hurt anyone I just want a few lap dances, have a few beers and then I'll go home

I'll see you at 11PM Monday night

[roKWiz]

Use 91, $1.32 here in country Vic.
Diesel is cheap to atm and goes further mixed 50:50.

Never bothered searching around looking for cheaper fuel.

[V8Crazy]

I'm in sydneys south (Good old sutherland shire), absolutely **** torn constantly, but you cross one of those bridges out of the shire the price drops like 10-15c across the board, sometimes even 20c.

I swear they're all in cahoots in the shire, when the price moves, every servo in the shire changes to the same price at the same time, then the odd group, clearly owned by a business (ie a group of 7/11's) will drop price for a day or two then go back inline with the rest of them for the cycle.

The small names are generally a little cheaper but i wouldn't put their 98 through my falcon. I like heading out west to the oldies, gotta go past Costco, usually great prices and the servos all around it are always low too trying to compete

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Use 91, $1.32 here in country Vic.
Diesel is cheap to atm and goes further mixed 50:50.

Never bothered searching around looking for cheaper fuel.

Very interested in your biodiesel operation - you should do a guide in your build thread on how you make it, or do you just run waste vegetable oil without processing it first?

Can you run your rigs on B100 or straight WVO? Or does your biodiesel need to be mixed? Its something to do with the gel point of biodiesel being lower than petrodiesel right?

Its still $1.75/L for 91 here, I bet the servo up the road in the next town is that $1.35 mark or there abouts.

About all I use my local servo for is washing my car, which only happens when I fill it up, but because I haven't filled up at my local servo for a while because its been a rip off for a few months now, my car hasn't been washed for ages

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Very interested in your biodiesel operation - you should do a guide in your build thread on how you make it, or do you just run waste vegetable oil without processing it first?

Can you run your rigs on B100 or straight WVO? Or does your biodiesel need to be mixed? Its something to do with the gel point of biodiesel being lower than petrodiesel right?

Its still $1.75/L for 91 here, I bet the servo up the road in the next town is that $1.35 mark or there abouts.

The bio diesel is 50:50 (B50) this time of year simple because of the cold and as you mentioned, i don't want it gelling in the tank.
Some companies make simple kits which have pre heaters (glowplug) and/or aux tanks to start on straight diesel switching over to bio when warmed.
Because my trucks are all older non electronic mechanical diesels, I can not be bothered with all that. I get the canola, flaxseed, or cottonseed oil from three local cafes and blend it all together triple filtering it into a large diesel tank at home adding 10 pecent straight diesel to the final tankful and siphor it out of that.
In summer I will run the engines at 10 percent diesel 90 percent veg oil (B90)
Enginewise the things I've changed have been valve stem seals, any flexible fuel lines and added an extra fuel filter to each truck.
SVO is easy if you run an onboard extra fine filtering system and small inline heater (just in case)
I have even run the VT903 cummins on B70 and couple of times to try it out locally.
Diesel intake ports, injectors and exhaust system are much cleaner.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

The bio diesel is 50:50 (B50) this time of year simple because of the cold and as you mentioned, i don't want it gelling in the tank.
Some companies make simple kits which have pre heaters (glowplug) and/or aux tanks to start on straight diesel switching over to bio when warmed.
Because my trucks are all older non electronic mechanical diesels, I can not be bothered with all that. I get the canola, flaxseed, or cottonseed oil from three local cafes and blend it all together triple filtering it into a large diesel tank at home adding 10 pecent straight diesel to the final tankful and siphor it out of that.
In summer I will run the engines at 10 percent diesel 90 percent veg oil (B90)
Enginewise the things I've changed have been valve stem seals, any flexible fuel lines and added an extra fuel filter to each truck.
SVO is easy if you run an onboard extra fine filtering system and small inline heater (just in case)
I have even run the VT903 cummins on B70 and couple of times to try it out locally.
Diesel intake ports, injectors and exhaust system are much cleaner.

So basically running a WVO setup? No need for mixing it with methanol and disposing of the glycerine byproduct it produces?

Rokwiz is the original environmentalist - no reusable keepcup for his cappuccino here

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Rokwiz is the original environmentalist - no reusable keepcup for his cappuccino here

Soy Mocha actually. And have never drunk coffee from a takeaway cup.
Lifes to good to be in a hurry and take it away. I believe in the Italian slow movement.....Stop in, sit down and enjoy a nice coffee, in a real cup.

[roKWiz]

Sorry off topic for everyone else.

Franco, I remember linking to a company in Melbourne who did the full kits and suitable for newer diesels on my own website here.....

http://stonemasoncarver.com/files/ve...onversions.pdf

Not sure if they are still going. But pretty good info regarding making it to run SVO.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by V8Crazy

I swear they're all in cahoots in the shire, when the price moves, every servo in the shire changes to the same price at the same time, then the odd group, clearly owned by a business (ie a group of 7/11's) will drop price for a day or two then go back inline with the rest of them for the cycle.

Price collusion? Never! Its just coincidence, every time. Speaking of which, I vaguely remember scomo, when he was treasurer, promising some sort of inquiry into petrol price collusion. I can't seem to find any info on it. Did one actually get off the ground?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Price collusion? Never! Its just coincidence, every time. Speaking of which, I vaguely remember scomo, when he was treasurer, promising some sort of inquiry into petrol price collusion. I can't seem to find any info on it. Did one actually get off the ground?

Nah they probably just donated $10K to both the ALP and LNP election campaigns and that got it off the agenda for both parties, usually thats how it works

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Price collusion? Never! Its just coincidence, every time. Speaking of which, I vaguely remember scomo, when he was treasurer, promising some sort of inquiry into petrol price collusion. I can't seem to find any info on it. Did one actually get off the ground?

Collusion in everything these days. like the accomodation industry here, I know of several caravan parks who would sit down together every couple of weeks and discuss their prices to charge for the upcoming breaks/seasons.

Remember when accomodation offices would have to display a tarriff sheet in the front window under the innkeepers act.

[XD 351 Ute]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

And I hope no one fuels up when the tanker is there

Lol. When the fuel tanker used to pull up at my parents servo, I used to sit up on top and watch the fuel slowly change colour as it drained down into the underground tank.

Dipping the tanks always required a steady hand or three, as you had to use a torch to see the level on the stick.

Ah, the pinky magenta hues of Super, those were the days!

Ed

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Price collusion? Never! Its just coincidence, every time. Speaking of which, I vaguely remember scomo, when he was treasurer, promising some sort of inquiry into petrol price collusion. I can't seem to find any info on it. Did one actually get off the ground?

Does anything EVER come of His Promises...