Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 19-08-2022, 10:00 PM   #1
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,349
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
The battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy...0220808-p5b84s

Updated Aug 10, 2022 – 4.33pm, first published at 2.45pm

Brisbane-based Graphene Manufacturing Group believes it has found a solution to help replace lithium-ion batteries which charge 70 times faster, are longer-lasting and better for the environment.
While developers across the world are charging into what is expected to become a trillion-dollar battery market by 2050, GMG thinks it’s on a winner with its next-generation graphene aluminium-ion battery.

Lithium-ion batteries might be everywhere – used in everything from coin cell batteries, mobile phones to utility-scale batteries – but they require a range of rare metals which needs to be mined, creating a larger carbon footprint.
There has also been a string of bad headlines over the past few years about utility scale lithium-ion batteries overheating and causing fires, including at Victoria’s big battery last year.

GMG founder and managing director Craig Nicol – a former Shell executive – said it would be a “very bumpy ride” with the scale of batteries needed to decarbonise the world economy.

But he said he was confident their graphene aluminium-ion battery – which GMG claims can charge up to 70 times faster, with three times more battery life, than lithium-ion batteries – would be part of the solution.
“This technology was only developed a year ago and we are already making batteries. There is no other company in the world doing what we’re doing,” Mr Nicol told The Australian Financial Review.
“We have a near-to-zero emissions product, but there will be lots of different battery types to get to the next step. We need to use all these products to get to the other side.”


Through a top-secret production process, which breaks down natural gas into graphene powder, GMG is working on developing a pilot plant to start producing graphene-ion batteries by 2024.
Now that’s Aussie tech at its best

Last edited by jpd80; 19-08-2022 at 10:05 PM.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
7 users like this post:
Old 19-08-2022, 11:56 PM   #2
Sprintey
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Sprintey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Catland
Posts: 3,766
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Great story, will have to look it up
__________________
I6 + AWD
Sprintey is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 20-08-2022, 07:52 AM   #3
roKWiz
Cabover nut
 
roKWiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Onsite Eastcoast
Posts: 11,324
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Great stuff if its real ? Sort of reminds me of.....



Good on him.
__________________
heritagestonemason.com/Fordlouisvillerestoration
In order that the labour of centuries past may not be in vain during the centuries to come...... D. Diderot 1752

roKWiz is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 08:53 AM   #4
ivorya
Mad Scientist!
 
ivorya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 2,863
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Here is some more info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWJSGKezHfA
ivorya is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 09:52 AM   #5
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,349
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by roKWiz View Post
Great stuff if its real ?
.
Sounds like being backed by Rio Tinto with a pilot plant to be built in Gladstone in the next two years.

You’re just a typical Aussie like me, we have lived with a belief structure that’s been set up by traditional car makers
and when something completely new comes along we wonder if it just a trick to get venture capital, like fusion.
This is just so radically different, maybe it’s like the orbital engine, not the answer but get people thinking differently.

The end of needing ICE won’t happen tomorrow or even five years from now but it’s happening…..
It would be ironic if Lithium is a dead end and graphene takes over as a more green and easier solution
than mining stuff that’s much more complex to recycle…

Last edited by jpd80; 20-08-2022 at 09:57 AM.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
7 users like this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 11:51 AM   #6
roKWiz
Cabover nut
 
roKWiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Onsite Eastcoast
Posts: 11,324
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post

You’re just a typical Aussie like me, we have lived with a belief structure that’s been set up by traditional car makers
and when something completely new comes along we wonder if it just a trick to get venture capital, like fusion.
This is just so radically different, maybe it’s like the orbital engine, not the answer but get people thinking differently.
You are not wrong there, as someone who has lived offgrid for many years, using battery, solar,wind, hydro technology, I tend to be a little suspicious of any great new breakthroughs someone from a non alternatively living person sprukes until I see proof in the pudding.

There is and has been for many years guys like Peter Pedals, from Rainbow Power Company who live what they preach in all things battery powered including EV's, so I tend to believe if something can be done they're the guys who would be listening to.
I just feel this is conditioning for a fuel company and mining company to start cashing in on credits to experiment.

But we will see what happens with this, interesting comments under the YT vid Ivory posted.
__________________
heritagestonemason.com/Fordlouisvillerestoration
In order that the labour of centuries past may not be in vain during the centuries to come...... D. Diderot 1752

roKWiz is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 11:59 AM   #7
ivorya
Mad Scientist!
 
ivorya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 2,863
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Lets just hope that this technology doesn't end up being sold overseas (like all our good Tech). We can build and distribute from here in AUS.
ivorya is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
5 users like this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 12:10 PM   #8
Falcon SXR8
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Falcon SXR8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,205
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Like most battery " breakthroughs " we will probably never hear of it again
__________________
Had
EB XR8
AU XR8 220 (awsome car )
AU Fairmont
BA MK2 XR6 Turbo
Now
XDUB
Falcon SXR8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 12:13 PM   #9
roKWiz
Cabover nut
 
roKWiz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Onsite Eastcoast
Posts: 11,324
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivorya View Post
Lets just hope that this technology doesn't end up being sold overseas (like all our good Tech). We can build and distribute from here in AUS.
Ironic his name is Nickel.
__________________
heritagestonemason.com/Fordlouisvillerestoration
In order that the labour of centuries past may not be in vain during the centuries to come...... D. Diderot 1752

roKWiz is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 12:53 PM   #10
Warrenk
Regular Member
 
Warrenk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 458
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Another bit of new technology the requires fossil energy for production. Fossil energy will be required for a long time for the manufacture and distribution of this new type of "green energy" from batteries to vehicles.
__________________
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat with experience every time.
Warrenk is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 01:22 PM   #11
b0son
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,075
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivorya View Post
That guy reminds me of those memes where they transplant Steve Buscemi's eyes onto someone else....
b0son is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 20-08-2022, 01:26 PM   #12
b0son
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,075
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrenk View Post
Another bit of new technology the requires fossil energy for production. Fossil energy will be required for a long time for the manufacture and distribution of this new type of "green energy" from batteries to vehicles.
Absolutely, but it's a case of short-term pain for long-term gain. And the gain is two-fold. Firstly, electric motors dont produce CO2 during operation. Secondly, they are far more efficient, so even if you were generating the electricity needed to operate them from fossil fuels, you'd use far less than now. But it's doubtful we'll see CO2 emissions stabilise for at least 2-3 decades.

All the more reason we need to be doing something about CO2 capture now.
b0son is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 04:24 PM   #13
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,349
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

It would be ironic if natural gas was used to produce a material for green energy that can be recycled.

Lots of brilliant inventions have come from Aussies, let’s hope that this is one of them….
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 20-08-2022, 09:58 PM   #14
ivorya
Mad Scientist!
 
ivorya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 2,863
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
It would be ironic if natural gas was used to produce a material for green energy that can be recycled.

Lots of brilliant inventions have come from Aussies, let’s hope that this is one of them….
They have been quoted as saying that Gas is currently being used but the catalytic process to obtain the Graphene (Carbon) releases just Hydrogen (Gas: CH4) which they intend to sell or utilise in other energy generation.
ivorya is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 24-08-2022, 09:14 AM   #15
Bossxr8
Peter Car
 
Bossxr8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 23,145
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivorya
Lets just hope that this technology doesn't end up being sold overseas (like all our good Tech). We can build and distribute from here in AUS.
That's what I was thinking. Hopefully the chinese don't step in and take it away.
Bossxr8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 24-08-2022, 12:25 PM   #16
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,854
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

So this is made from the stuff used in Pencils.. I recall doing an experiment with a pencil and lemon in school where we could store a charge
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 24-08-2022, 12:26 PM   #17
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,854
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivorya View Post
They have been quoted as saying that Gas is currently being used but the catalytic process to obtain the Graphene (Carbon) releases just Hydrogen (Gas: CH4) which they intend to sell or utilise in other energy generation.
Screams for a Hydrogen - Graphene battery Hybrid
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 24-08-2022, 12:31 PM   #18
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,854
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8 View Post
Like most battery " breakthroughs " we will probably never hear of it again
There is always the talk of new emerging battery tech from the pro EV crowd.
this one actually looks good, but is it good enough?

and is there a negative? Graphene is also very light
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 24-08-2022, 12:56 PM   #19
Charliewool
Bolt Nerd
Donating Member3
 
Charliewool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ojochal, Costa Rica (Pura Vida!)
Posts: 14,867
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesper Martini View Post

and is there a negative?
A positive also important?
(Sorry couldn’t resist)
__________________
Current vehicles.. Yamaha Rhino UTV, SWB 4L TJ Jeep, and boring Lhd RAV4
Bionic BF F6... UPDATE: Replaced by Shiro White 370z 7A Roadster. SOLD
Workhack: FG Silhouette XR50 Turbo ute (11.63@127.44mph) SOLD
2 wheels.. 2015 103ci HD Wideglide.. SOLD
SOLD THE LOT, Voted with our feet and relocated to COSTA RICA for some Pura Vida!
(Ex Blood Orange #023 FPV Pursuit owner : )
Charliewool is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
3 users like this post:
Old 24-08-2022, 03:54 PM   #20
Vesper Martini
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Vesper Martini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Victoria
Posts: 7,854
Default Re: The Aussie battery that charges 70 times faster than lithium-ion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliewool View Post
A positive also important?
(Sorry couldn’t resist)
was thinking of writing no pun intended as I wrote it...
__________________
______________________________
2015 Territory Titanium RWD Diesel - SOLD
2016 BMW X5 xdrive 30D Msport
Seadoo Challenger 210SE 310HP
Vesper Martini is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 11:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL