Ford bringing all electric Ford Puma

[stefcio007]

Start of a new era in Ford Australia?
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update...40907745656832

As I understand this is the first passenger (non-commercial) all electric Ford for Australia.

[Sprintey]

Yes, I'd buy this one. I like the Puma styling, and it is the right size for a town commuter for us. Sticker shock might be the price, nothing surprises any more. If they can price it competitively it will be in high demand. If they can get the supply too, watch FOA go electric with gusto.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-p...-to-australia/

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Yes, I'd buy this one. I like the Puma styling, and it is the right size for a town commuter for us. Sticker shock might be the price, nothing surprises any more. If they can price it competitively it will be in high demand. If they can get the supply too, watch FOA go electric with gusto.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-p...-to-australia/

Awesome, except there'll be a 36 month waiting list for it and Ford Europe will refuse to send it to Ford Australia like the Escape and other European Fords

[Sprintey]

And so I'll buy a $35K hybrid Yaris and feel like I got an absolute bargain

Welcome to the future

(I'd buy a $35K XR6 before both of those, how far we've fallen)

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

And so I'll buy a $35K hybrid Yaris and feel like I got an absolute bargain

Welcome to the future

(I'd buy a $35K XR6 before both of those, how far we've fallen)

I know right, I laughed so hard at $35K Yaris that I fell off my dinosaur.

[au2000]

Waiting list for the 35 a month ford will bring over ?
All jokes aside its the way all are goingand its a good thing ford are starting to bring em over.. the ranger highs are good but they need a back up plan.. its not a good plan to only have 1 model to be their back bone...

[jpd80]

Can FOA even get production allocation?
Sounds to me like this EV will be in high demand in Europe

[kevino]

Ford Aus will get an average of 80 shipped per month
And then withdraw it from sale because sales are too slow.

[Dr Smith]

Maybe Ford Europe could send over 10% of it's production, this creates a delay in supply to the EU market, EU supply will then not meet EU demand, EU dealers don't have to discount as demand means "if you don't want it at this price, sorry the next buyer will pay it" and everybody wins....Ford EU edges closer into the black....well maybe eventually.. and Ford Australia finally has some stock to hand over....yes, all said with absolute sacrcasm.

[zilo]

Looks like a pregnant roller skate.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

And so I'll buy a $35K hybrid Yaris and feel like I got an absolute bargain

This is sadly true. Dealers are gouging buyers for all they're worth, and still the buyers line up. There's nobody to blame but ourselves.

I was due a car change, and I can either wait a year or more (that's if the order books are even still open for that model), or buy yard stock which is priced $20k over list. I'm not doing either. If only more buyers would do the same....

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by b0son

Dealers are gouging buyers for all they're worth, and still the buyers line up. There's nobody to blame but ourselves.

Sounds like the price of coffee lately.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Sounds like the price of coffee lately.

Or passata - $2.60 a bottle to $3.99, not sure tomato farmers are getting the extra spondoolies there either.

Then RBA turns around and increases interest rates when it's a profit driven inflation problem

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Then RBA turns around and increases interest rates when it's a profit driven inflation problem

That may be true for corporate profits, but not SMEs. Businesses are falling over left right and centre. It's those with buying power that can put pressure on suppliers to minimise cost increases, the smaller players have no option but to wear them.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Or passata - $2.60 a bottle to $3.99, not sure tomato farmers are getting the extra spondoolies there either.

Then RBA turns around and increases interest rates when it's a profit driven inflation problem

Electricity, gas and diesel costs are pretty key factors too.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Or passata - $2.60 a bottle to $3.99, not sure tomato farmers are getting the extra spondoolies there either.

Then RBA turns around and increases interest rates when it's a profit driven inflation problem

Or even…
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/co...060450830.html
$3.00 before I left Oz

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

That may be true for corporate profits, but not SMEs. Businesses are falling over left right and centre. It's those with buying power that can put pressure on suppliers to minimise cost increases, the smaller players have no option but to wear them.

Called a monopsony, thats the problem with relying on one big *** customer like a manufacturer (or two very large supermarket monsters) and having all your eggs in one basket.

Thats been going on since Adam and Eve

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

And so I'll buy a $35K hybrid Yaris and feel like I got an absolute bargain

Welcome to the future

(I'd buy a $35K XR6 before both of those, how far we've fallen)

And that HEV will save you $4 per 100 kms, BUT, it costs you maybe 10 or 15G more than an ICE to purchase.

It’s madness.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by b0son

This is sadly true. Dealers are gouging buyers for all they're worth, and still the buyers line up. There's nobody to blame but ourselves.

I was due a car change, and I can either wait a year or more (that's if the order books are even still open for that model), or buy yard stock which is priced $20k over list. I'm not doing either. If only more buyers would do the same....

Yes might be the recession we have to have. We could all probably do with bit of a detoxing from the addiction.

In saying that as in other threads, the big fish I deal with are doing very nicely. I imagine the CEO will be getting the ? bonus. They just hand the squeeze onto the suppliers, and when you are at the primary level I can't help feel like a dairy farmer. I can make the point if they have no product to sell they can't sell empty shelving. All falls on understanding and empathetic ears apparently, hammered home with the 3 Porches in the office carpark.

Not sure if its the right path, but we know what the grocery chains want to pay for product, not what we need or ask. So if we supply directly to market we can make good margins selling better than wholesale but way under retail. Essentially leaving the grocers somewhere near their buy in price but we get the required price to stay viable. Just getting the market is the difficult part.

Its no surprise why product from China has come about as we have not invented the wheel here. Hard to know whether you are cutting your throat to survive, or change is the best thing in the world.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

And that HEV will save you $4 per 100 kms, BUT, it costs you maybe 10 or 15G more than an ICE to purchase.

It’s madness.

Not meaning to get off topic here but I just looked up the difference in price
with base Yaris Cross at $31,306 DA versus $33,654 DA for the hybrid version,
so ~$2,300 more, not the high $$$ it would have been a few years ago.

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Not meaning to get off topic here but I just looked up the difference in price
with base Yaris Cross at $31,306 DA versus $33,654 DA for the hybrid version,
so ~$2,300 more, not the high $$$ it would have been a few years ago.

The batteries are not what people think either. For years I was reminded by non believers a hybrid replacement battery was around $8000. When the time came it was $2500.

Actually it was $2200 fitted. The battery failed at 7 years, so Toyota gave 1 year pro rater on warranty. The new battery has a 10 year warranty with unlimited kilometres. The 2016 car at 190K has had one cranker battery (genuine), a hybrid battery (genuine) and a set of front brake pads in its life. Of course oil and filter every 15K that I do, and a few sets of tyres.

Compared to the Focus it replaced its chalk and cheese. Admittedly the focus was more fun to drive. But economy of 4lt/100 to 7.5. Alone the cost of the replacement battery is way cheaper in comparison than the fuel consumed by the focus to achieve the same kilometres.

Sadly the Focus started detonating and decomposing around 7 years old. BY 10 years with 180K on it the plastic components in the engine bay and interior made the car unpredictable, unreliable, and shabby to say the least. $500 trade in was a s good as it got. The Prius is still like the fist day apart from the odd rattle. Paint, interior, no plastic or rubber perish. Its my first Toyota and I can see why they are hard to top past.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

And that HEV will save you $4 per 100 kms, BUT, it costs you maybe 10 or 15G more than an ICE to purchase.

It’s madness.

And cos I like owning cars for 10+ years like a loved family pet, all those savings evaporate when I have to replace the battery in 8-10

I'm thinking the petrol Yaris is actually the smart Yaris

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by myrpo

The batteries are not what people think either. For years I was reminded by non believers a hybrid replacement battery was around $8000. When the time came it was $2500.

Actually it was $2200 fitted. The battery failed at 7 years, so Toyota gave 1 year pro rater on warranty. The new battery has a 10 year warranty with unlimited kilometres. The 2016 car at 190K has had one cranker battery (genuine), a hybrid battery (genuine) and a set of front brake pads in its life. Of course oil and filter every 15K that I do, and a few sets of tyres.

Compared to the Focus it replaced its chalk and cheese. Admittedly the focus was more fun to drive. But economy of 4lt/100 to 7.5. Alone the cost of the replacement battery is way cheaper in comparison than the fuel consumed by the focus to achieve the same kilometres.

Sadly the Focus started detonating and decomposing around 7 years old. BY 10 years with 180K on it the plastic components in the engine bay and interior made the car unpredictable, unreliable, and shabby to say the least. $500 trade in was a s good as it got. The Prius is still like the fist day apart from the odd rattle. Paint, interior, no plastic or rubber perish. Its my first Toyota and I can see why they are hard to top past.

Well that changes things - last time I looked the reco battery cost 8K to do in Melbourne... OK so you can get the factory battery replaced for 2.2K, and the purchase price is 2K more, over 10 years that makes the Hybrid better. Did you have to stay with Toyota service for all 7 years to get that price?

[myrpo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Well that changes things - last time I looked the reco battery cost 8K to do in Melbourne... OK so you can get the factory battery replaced for 2.2K, and the purchase price is 2K more, over 10 years that makes the Hybrid better. Did you have to stay with Toyota service for all 7 years to get that price?

No no obligation to stay with Toyota. When the hybrid battery played up we just contacted Toyota as was still in the warranty period.
Actually I have serviced it for the past 4 or 5 years.

When the cranker played up I bought an aftermarket one specified to fit for half the price, $200 V $400. But it didn't really fit and the car didn't perform right as in various lights on the dash would not go out. So I bought an OE battery as the first one had 5 years warranty, but discovered the replacement has been scaled back to 2 years like the aftermarket. I can't explain why the OE works better just does.

A hybrid is on the conservative side of driving, very Toyota really. But for the wife's run around it has been ideal. $30 in E10 and we get 700 to 750km. We have also taken it to Sydney a few times. 2 adults, 2 young teenagers. Car full of crap with roof racks on supporting rucsacs catching wind. Cruise control 110km/h averaging 5lt/100. Car is very quite also for the size motor. It has that one gear fits all speeds type of gear box.

Got a mate with a Honda Jazz, said at 100km his is about to detonate. No way it would go to Sydney comfortably with 4 and a loud. My parent Hyundai Getz is in the same boat.

I mean they are not sexy or exciting, but for solid reliable motoring I have been more than surprised.

[Franco Cozzo]

The biggest problem I find with Toyota is their cars are like driving a park bench, the seats are flat and uncomfortable - current model Corolla, Camry and RAV4 aren't comfortable cars to be in, either front or back seats.