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With GM being ahead of electric, then cancelling that, and much later going all-in so hard they bypassed hybrid, and now eating their hat and going back to hybrid, I thought it was time to go back to some of their pioneering electrification:
The electric VE Commodore: https://thedriven.io/2021/11/01/the-...-ve-commodore/ https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...-record-31483/ swappable batteries, imagine that! And long before that, a hybrid VT: https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/2...ric-commodore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFs8cZOQSvA way cooler looking than equivalent Prius. They were so far ahead of the game they are behind.
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Technically their first EV was a VN Commodore:
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BYD's EV program was inspired by a VN Commodore, thats hilarious. |
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One of these was only just finished basic construction in time for the end of the war, and was left sitting. It was eventually finished off, and sold to Australia, where after many delays she entered service as HMAS Melbourne. The Melbourne was so small that towards the end of her life, she could only carry 4 small jets, and by the end of the 70's she was unfit to operate modern aircraft. She was paid off in 1982. The Melbourne, tiny, 40 years old, and beyond obsolete, was sold for scrap. But in a secret deal, she was purchased by the Chinese Government, who use the Melbourne to learn how to design their own aircraft carriers, and to train their pilots.
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Some of the development engineers of the Electric VT based Commode are real petrol heads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liQgFjmApAU
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https://www.armouredcarriers.com/ Out of interest & more recently HMS Ocean - helicopter carrier - was built to commercial standards (Invincible class hull, but without the military extra survivability) and was a resounding success. Now in Brazilian service.
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If you were the engineers on those projects you'd be pretty upset in this day and age given how Tesla and Toyota got the jump on everyone when you did it decades prior.
Makes me wonder what else the engineers did over the decades that we never saw. |
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If you were the engineers you'd hope to be retired now! What path is for them these days, defence?
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The ones I know of are in defense, aerospace and bio medical instrument R&D.
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There's a few roles in defence and public transport manufacturing but it's not much, we don't really 'make' anything anymore we're a 'service' economy (see NDIS rorts) |
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There is a massive shortage of engineering talent in Australia at present. Across all levels; professional registered engineers, engineering technologist, advanced trade engineering, and engineering based trades. The electricity grid is going gangbusters building new network for the ALP / Greens / Teal "Powering Australian" policy. Not only does that require electrical engineers, it requires a lot of civil engineering for building transmission lines and substations. There is a crippling shortage of control systems engineers (i.e. those who design and maintain the cyber-physical interface and the Operational Technology Environments), and there is a mountain of work to integrate domestic renewable resources (solar PV and batteries) into the grid via Dynamic Operating Envelopes. So to is all of the large infrastructure projects; dams, inland rail, road tunnels, high rise buildings. This absorbs a lot of engineering capability, to the point that it is removing engineering capacity for bread 'n butter projects (like simple housing estates). Then along comes Defence as tail-end-Charlie. In an country that effectively has full employment (if you can correctly spell "engineer" you have a job), Defence is trying to start up the highest demanding of all engineering streams - nuclear drivetrains in subs. To make life harder for Defence, the public servants who run the renumeration (mainly Arts Degree graduates) in the Australian Public Service insist that a highly qualified engineer within Defence can only be paid APS6 (they can earn 3-4 times that outside). Adding to the problem is the present woke based schooling (nicely captured by the left) that focus on "the important things" and places teaching skills like advanced maths and physics in the too hard basket. For example, how many Grade 11 and Grade 12 students these days have even been exposed to vector maths? Yet, vector maths is one of the foundation tools for electrical, civil, and mechanical engineering. Any engineering graduate who exits University in 2024 has survived a run through the most incredible gauntlet via passion, hard work, and the ability to pick up a text book to autodidact (teach themselves). Australia has some of the best and brightest engineering talent in the world (across the gamut from registered engineer to engineering trades). And what do we do with them once they are in gainful employment? Why, we burn up their productive time in useless meetings, listening to non-engineering managers (and their lackies) lecture them on how to be more productive. RantMode = false |
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Seeing that article brought up memory's, didn't mean to intrude
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So masses of infrastructure build out for the renewable economy - checks out having driven through parts of SA where it is very visible. Yeah we all got caught up in the mining pay whirlwind too. Thanks for the insightful post.
With the nuclear sub driving, Navy officers are going to US nuclear sub school, and in the UK Rolls is spooling up its reactor building ops, taking on many engineers and trades - for they will be the ones building the powerplants for the SSN Aukus subs.
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