Ineos Grenadier - interesting marketing concept

[Franco Cozzo]

The part that made me chortle is Ineos had an opportunity to really jam it up the bum of Toyota with their 79 series, and they come in like $30K above the VDJ79

Its EXACTLY like Ford and the Mustang EV and Telsa Model Y.

$30K more for the new kid on the block without the established spare parts network and uses BMW engines, on a vehicle designed to be a rugged go-anywhere off-roader.

Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel and Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The part that made me chortle is Ineos had an opportunity to really jam it up the bum of Toyota with their 79 series, and they come in like $30K above the VDJ79

Its EXACTLY like Ford and the Mustang EV and Telsa Model Y.

$30K more for the new kid on the block without the established spare parts network and uses BMW engines, on a vehicle designed to be a rugged go-anywhere off-roader.

Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel and Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded.

I m guessing but perhaps they see their competitor as LR Defender and not the Seventy series Toyota

Every Defender I ve seen on the Gc and there’s quite a few looks like it’s driven by a female ( influencer type) and never goes off road

I be seen a few Ineos but not beside. Once I get beside a few of these at the light in the community Hiace bus I ll get an idea


70 series all males 25/45 tradies mainly pursuing the tough guy image

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The part that made me chortle is Ineos had an opportunity to really jam it up the bum of Toyota with their 79 series, and they come in like $30K above the VDJ79

Its EXACTLY like Ford and the Mustang EV and Telsa Model Y.

$30K more for the new kid on the block without the established spare parts network and uses BMW engines, on a vehicle designed to be a rugged go-anywhere off-roader.

Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel and Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded.

It looks like the interior and driveline warrants a $30k premium over a 70 series.
Cummins too heavy and running ad blue and DPF, be no more rugged and bush ready than any other engine.
Parts availability is probably worse too especially in Europe

The big question will be if these are bought by posers like the original Defender G Wagen and Wranglers, to be driven around town.

As for the 70 series, have watched a few reviews and owners first impressions of the new ones, common theme is the Hilux engine and auto trans outperforms the V8 in the real world .

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by smoo

It looks like the interior and driveline warrants a $30k premium over a 70 series.
Cummins too heavy and running ad blue and DPF, be no more rugged and bush ready than any other engine.
Parts availability is probably worse too especially in Europe

The big question will be if these are bought by posers like the original Defender G Wagen and Wranglers, to be driven around town.

As for the 70 series, have watched a few reviews and owners first impressions of the new ones, common theme is the Hilux engine and auto trans outperforms the V8 in the real world .

The answer is YES in places like $ydney, plenty of Gangster types using all of the above. Never seen so many Black G wagons.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

The answer is YES in places like $ydney, plenty of Gangster types using all of the above. Never seen so many Black G wagons.

The g wagons with the 6.3 tt v8 are a thing here too some in pink and usually driven by manicured dolled up women 25/45

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by kevino

Every Defender I ve seen on the Gc and there’s quite a few looks like it’s driven by a female ( influencer type) and never goes off road

Proper oldschool live axle defenders or the new generation pretender?

Originally Posted by kevino

70 series all males 25/45 tradies mainly pursuing the tough guy image

Complete with man bun or lumberjack beard and skinny jeans?

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel

Look at where the Genadier comes from.... euro based = euro engines.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded.

Vehicle size doesnt really warrant a big V8 IMO

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Proper oldschool live axle defenders or the new generation pretender?

Complete with man bun or lumberjack beard and skinny jeans?

Look at where the Genadier comes from.... euro based = euro engines.

Vehicle size doesnt really warrant a big V8 IMO

Indeed its based in Europe but they've also claimed the Australian market is key for them, and that they see the 70 series as the competition.

The VDJ79 has a years long waiting list, is selling for $30K+ above RRP and has a V8 (even though its trash).

I reckon reliability and parts availability is going to be a problem for the Ineos Grenadier in Australia, I'm very suspect on the choice of engines and our **** fuel.

[Sprintey]

Hold onto your hats because the 70 series has been updated to auto and the (wait for it) 2.8 is supposedly a bit grunty in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBq41s7AsJU

I like it!

Wheel track remains the same as a sort of easter egg for the buyer to find out about later

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Hold onto your hats because the 70 series has been updated to auto and the (wait for it) 2.8 is supposedly a bit grunty in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBq41s7AsJU

I like it!

Wheel track remains the same as a sort of easter egg for the buyer to find out about later

Well, we know the BMW Ineos Grenadier in both unleaded and diesel forms is going to clap the 70 series cheeks big time.

Seriously though the 2.8L version of the 70 series is a big step up over the V8, though I'm not sure how you take out an OHC V8, put in a 4 cylinder engine and end up with less room in the engine bay

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Hold onto your hats because the 70 series has been updated to auto and the (wait for it) 2.8 is supposedly a bit grunty in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBq41s7AsJU

I like it!

Wheel track remains the same as a sort of easter egg for the buyer to find out about later

Perfect for a drive down to F45, the craft beer shop or down to get that quick trim of the fashionable Ned Kelly beard.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Proper oldschool live axle defenders or the new generation pretender?

Complete with man bun or lumberjack beard and skinny jeans?

Look at where the Genadier comes from.... euro based = euro engines.

Vehicle size doesnt really warrant a big V8 IMO

All new gen Defenders
Some man buns well quite a few

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

Proper oldschool live axle defenders or the new generation pretender?

Complete with man bun or lumberjack beard and skinny jeans?

Look at where the Genadier comes from.... euro based = euro engines.

Vehicle size doesnt really warrant a big V8 IMO

All new gen Defenders
Some man buns well quite a few

[Sprintey]

Yes the Lumberjack Ned Kelly force is strong with this one

But that frontier beard styling is how the west was won.

I'd consider the 76 with the 2.8 if all I did was West Oz, it'd be OK for driving there and back with offroad adventure detours. Prob not best for all the running to the shops or the nearby beach (all roads in bitumen) with the diesel and the DPF in the meantime.

Out of interest, the fastest cars I've seen on the Gt Alpine Road are not Lambos or anything like that, but the snow companys staff in the 2.8 Prados...

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Yes the Lumberjack Ned Kelly force is strong with this one

But that frontier beard styling is how the west was won.

I'd consider the 76 with the 2.8 if all I did was West Oz, it'd be OK for driving there and back with offroad adventure detours. Prob not best for all the running to the shops or the nearby beach (all roads in bitumen) with the diesel and the DPF in the meantime.

Out of interest, the fastest cars I've seen on the Gt Alpine Road are not Lambos or anything like that, but the snow companys staff in the 2.8 Prados...

Fastest I've spotted on the Great Alpine Rd are usually cyclist in Summer. Disc brake road bikes are super fast downhill.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

The answer is YES in places like $ydney, plenty of Gangster types using all of the above. Never seen so many Black G wagons.

If there’s “77” in the reg it’s an inference they’ve got Moscow gangster connections.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Yes the Lumberjack Ned Kelly force is strong with this one

But that frontier beard styling is how the west was won.

I'd consider the 76 with the 2.8 if all I did was West Oz, it'd be OK for driving there and back with offroad adventure detours. Prob not best for all the running to the shops or the nearby beach (all roads in bitumen) with the diesel and the DPF in the meantime.

Out of interest, the fastest cars I've seen on the Gt Alpine Road are not Lambos or anything like that, but the snow companys staff in the 2.8 Prados...

Prado is not very fast anywhere let alone on a twisty rd ...

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If there’s “77” in the reg it’s an inference they’ve got Moscow gangster connections.

And if it's got a 'Z' on it they've got other motivations!

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Prado is not very fast anywhere let alone on a twisty rd ...

I know, yet they run that road as if possessed with some unnatural power...

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The part that made me chortle is Ineos had an opportunity to really jam it up the bum of Toyota with their 79 series, and they come in like $30K above the VDJ79

Its EXACTLY like Ford and the Mustang EV and Telsa Model Y.

$30K more for the new kid on the block without the established spare parts network and uses BMW engines, on a vehicle designed to be a rugged go-anywhere off-roader.

Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel and Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded.

Grenadier , even if it is body of frame proper off road vehicle , was never designed to compete with mass produced 70 series commercial car . Ineos is exclusive boutique offering for well heeled individuals and prices reflect that . Those BMW engines aren't cheap . Toyota recouped 70 series development costs 30 years ago .

[jpd80]

I’m not interested in owning this type of vehicle but from my point of view:
it’s the kind of thing old defender owners with loads of cash go buy and then
regret their purchase because it doesn’t really do what they thought..

Some interesting comments out of what seems a decent review:
1. Too expensive for most buyers that would be interested
2. 90 litre fuel tank is woefully small for many potential buyers
3. Reviewer said there’s an lump in floor under driver’s left foot & centre console crowds left leg comfort
4. Addition of loads of switches adds to costs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWG5FA73jJ8

[Citroënbender]

My first spotting of the dual cab ute variant on Friday, impressions are that proportions are similar to the Jeep of equivalence but perhaps a couple of inches longer in the tray. It was having accessories fitted at the auto elec a few doors down from the shop.

[fordomatic]

Mate has one, thing is a beast offroad. We did the VIC Snowies a couple months back and it ate Blue Rag like a champ. I’ll upload some photos of it when I get a chance.

The interior and drive is excellent. Comparing it to the 79 is no comparison, the 79 is horrible. The only thing I didnt like when driving is the left side beside the centre console bulges out a bit and reduces leg room.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The part that made me chortle is Ineos had an opportunity to really jam it up the bum of Toyota with their 79 series, and they come in like $30K above the VDJ79

Its EXACTLY like Ford and the Mustang EV and Telsa Model Y.

$30K more for the new kid on the block without the established spare parts network and uses BMW engines, on a vehicle designed to be a rugged go-anywhere off-roader.

Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel and Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded.

Oh look

Ineos Grenadier V8 revealed with General Motors power, but there’s a catch

A 6.2-litre V8 – possibly from the final Holden Commodore SS – has been strapped to the modern 4WD designed to look like a classic Land Rover, but it is just a concept for now.

The Ineos Grenadier – a Land Rover Defender look-alike funded by the UK's richest person – has gained General Motors V8 power for the Goodwood Festival of Speed in the UK.

It is just a concept – built by apprentices at Ineos' engineering partner Magna, known for manufacturing the Mercedes-Benz G-Class – and it remains to be seen if it will ever reach production.

The V8 prototype was unveiled alongside a series of Grenadier concepts – including a short-tray ute, and an open-air eight-seater designed for African safaris – which Ineos hints provide "a glimpse of potential future Grenadier variants".

Regular Ineos Grenadier models are powered by 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder turbo petrol and diesel engines from BMW, which would suggest a V8 Grenadier would use BMW's 4.4-litre twin-turbo unit from the M5, ironically like the Land Rover Defender OCTA revealed last week.

However, it is instead fitted with a 6.2-litre petrol V8 from General Motors, developing 317kW and 625Nm – well up on the 210kW/450Nm of the regular six-cylinder petrol Grenadier.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/ineos-...cept-revealed/

Someone over at engineering had a lightbulb moment for their prototype,

You know what 6.2L means in GM land, if its new, it could be an LT1, could be an L87 which would be a better choice.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’m not interested in owning this type of vehicle but from my point of view:
it’s the kind of thing old defender owners with loads of cash go buy and then
regret their purchase because it doesn’t really do what they thought..

Some interesting comments out of what seems a decent review:
1. Too expensive for most buyers that would be interested
2. 90 litre fuel tank is woefully small for many potential buyers
3. Reviewer said there’s an lump in floor under driver’s left foot & centre console crowds left leg comfort
4. Addition of loads of switches adds to costs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWG5FA73jJ8

Poor front axle clearance due to steering damper also.

[ivorya]

The design and building videos are here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...oXRquu-u-OIS-6

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by kevino

I m guessing but perhaps they see their competitor as LR Defender and not the Seventy series Toyota

Every Defender I ve seen on the Gc and there’s quite a few looks like it’s driven by a female ( influencer type) and never goes off road

I be seen a few Ineos but not beside. Once I get beside a few of these at the light in the community Hiace bus I ll get an idea


70 series all males 25/45 tradies mainly pursuing the tough guy image

Originally Posted by kevino

All new gen Defenders
Some man buns well quite a few

Then there's the Kiwi take on it .....get it covered in mud from top to bottom, turn the wipers on scratch a hole to see out of then drive around town for weeks without washing it

[smoo]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Then there's the Kiwi take on it .....get it covered in mud from top to bottom, turn the wipers on scratch a hole to see out of then drive around town for weeks without washing it

Yeah but since most track access has been closed by councils or are inaccessible due to damage they do that by ripping up grass berms in rural towns so they look like the sick off roaders.