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The part that made me chortle is Ineos had an opportunity to really jam it up the bum of Toyota with their 79 series, and they come in like $30K above the VDJ79
![]() Its EXACTLY like Ford and the Mustang EV and Telsa Model Y. $30K more for the new kid on the block without the established spare parts network and uses BMW engines, on a vehicle designed to be a rugged go-anywhere off-roader. Out of all the engine choices available, why would you go with BMW over someone like Cummins for the diesel and Ford Godzilla/GM L8T for the unleaded. |
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I m guessing but perhaps they see their competitor as LR Defender and not the Seventy series Toyota Every Defender I ve seen on the Gc and there’s quite a few looks like it’s driven by a female ( influencer type) and never goes off road I be seen a few Ineos but not beside. Once I get beside a few of these at the light in the community Hiace bus I ll get an idea 70 series all males 25/45 tradies mainly pursuing the tough guy image |
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Cummins too heavy and running ad blue and DPF, be no more rugged and bush ready than any other engine. Parts availability is probably worse too especially in Europe The big question will be if these are bought by posers like the original Defender G Wagen and Wranglers, to be driven around town. As for the 70 series, have watched a few reviews and owners first impressions of the new ones, common theme is the Hilux engine and auto trans outperforms the V8 in the real world ![]() |
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Vehicle size doesnt really warrant a big V8 IMO
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The VDJ79 has a years long waiting list, is selling for $30K+ above RRP and has a V8 (even though its trash). I reckon reliability and parts availability is going to be a problem for the Ineos Grenadier in Australia, I'm very suspect on the choice of engines and our **** fuel. |
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Hold onto your hats because the 70 series has been updated to auto and the (wait for it) 2.8 is supposedly a bit grunty in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBq41s7AsJU I like it! Wheel track remains the same as a sort of easter egg for the buyer to find out about later ![]()
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![]() Well, we know the BMW Ineos Grenadier in both unleaded and diesel forms is going to clap the 70 series cheeks big time. Seriously though the 2.8L version of the 70 series is a big step up over the V8, though I'm not sure how you take out an OHC V8, put in a 4 cylinder engine and end up with less room in the engine bay ![]() Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 23-12-2023 at 03:11 PM. |
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Yes the Lumberjack Ned Kelly force is strong with this one
But that frontier beard styling is how the west was won. I'd consider the 76 with the 2.8 if all I did was West Oz, it'd be OK for driving there and back with offroad adventure detours. Prob not best for all the running to the shops or the nearby beach (all roads in bitumen) with the diesel and the DPF in the meantime. Out of interest, the fastest cars I've seen on the Gt Alpine Road are not Lambos or anything like that, but the snow companys staff in the 2.8 Prados...
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And if it's got a 'Z' on it they've got other motivations!
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I know, yet they run that road as if possessed with some unnatural power...
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I’m not interested in owning this type of vehicle but from my point of view:
it’s the kind of thing old defender owners with loads of cash go buy and then regret their purchase because it doesn’t really do what they thought.. Some interesting comments out of what seems a decent review: 1. Too expensive for most buyers that would be interested 2. 90 litre fuel tank is woefully small for many potential buyers 3. Reviewer said there’s an lump in floor under driver’s left foot & centre console crowds left leg comfort 4. Addition of loads of switches adds to costs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWG5FA73jJ8 |
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My first spotting of the dual cab ute variant on Friday, impressions are that proportions are similar to the Jeep of equivalence but perhaps a couple of inches longer in the tray. It was having accessories fitted at the auto elec a few doors down from the shop.
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Mate has one, thing is a beast offroad. We did the VIC Snowies a couple months back and it ate Blue Rag like a champ. I’ll upload some photos of it when I get a chance.
The interior and drive is excellent. Comparing it to the 79 is no comparison, the 79 is horrible. The only thing I didnt like when driving is the left side beside the centre console bulges out a bit and reduces leg room.
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Someone over at engineering had a lightbulb moment for their prototype, You know what 6.2L means in GM land, if its new, it could be an LT1, could be an L87 which would be a better choice. |
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The design and building videos are here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...oXRquu-u-OIS-6
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Yeah but since most track access has been closed by councils or are inaccessible due to damage they do that by ripping up grass berms in rural towns so they look like the sick off roaders.
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