Driverless Tesla crashes into Parked Car

[EBSXR6]

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-...ed-car-report/

[kypez]

I've used it without issues but this sounds like the owner was attempting to use it beyond their field of vision.

People crash cars into other cars all the time at shopping centres with people behind the wheel. Don't know why publications don't cover that /sarcasm

[rare ss]

"I wAs HacKed!" screamed the owner

[Franco Cozzo]

It just confused the brake and accelerator, Cav here has to be due for one of those jobs by now

[MFL]

So , I may have missed something - from the article

" the Summon feature is currently in ‘beta’ mode – meaning it is not fully developed and may need more refinement to ensure it functions both safely and as originally intended.

“The whole concept of beta is that it’s still learning – Tesla’s still learning, right, and it’s using these scenarios to learn from that,” David Aylor, the IIHS’ manager of active safety testing, told NBC Washington."

So its okay for driverless Teslas to crash into things , because its in the beta phase.

I must just be getting old.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MFL

So , I may have missed something - from the article

" the Summon feature is currently in ‘beta’ mode – meaning it is not fully developed and may need more refinement to ensure it functions both safely and as originally intended.

“The whole concept of beta is that it’s still learning – Tesla’s still learning, right, and it’s using these scenarios to learn from that,” David Aylor, the IIHS’ manager of active safety testing, told NBC Washington."

So its okay for driverless Teslas to crash into things , because its in the beta phase.

I must just be getting old.

Same here I don't like being the guinea pig unless I'm involved in the development of the product

[Falcon SXR8]

Was following a Tesla along the hwy this morning and he tried to merge into the right lane and overtake a truck and it swerved hard back into the left lane. Then he tried again and it started swerving left and right really crazy then finally it straightened up and he was able to overtake the truck. Must have been some tech malfunction poor bloke looked like an idiot.

[MITCHAY]

The ones with drivers are often not too bright from my experience lately

[kypez]

Originally Posted by MFL

So its okay for driverless Teslas to crash into things , because its in the beta phase.



I must just be getting old.

It's not that it is ok, it's that you should supervise it. Keep an eye on what it's doing and not blindly trust it.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Was following a Tesla along the hwy this morning and he tried to merge into the right lane and overtake a truck and it swerved hard back into the left lane. Then he tried again and it started swerving left and right really crazy then finally it straightened up and he was able to overtake the truck. Must have been some tech malfunction poor bloke looked like an idiot.

Yeah, might be a bug. It's so risk adverse (typically) that anything that spooks it makes it change. They were probably trying to use the auto lane change. I always keep my hands on the steering so if it tries to swerve back, I just continue the lane change.

It's not that it swerves left and right, the driver probably engaged the system and it sits to the left of the lane. When going past a truck, it moves to the right of the lane to give you more room.

It's really a great system as long as you know its limitations.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

The ones with drivers are often not too bright from my experience lately

I've found people from Canberra aren't too bright either or is that an unnecessary generalisation?

[Sprintey]

A porked corr, as the late great Tony Greig might say.

Had a mate's girlfriend do this in the 1990s as she was putting a cassette in the cassette deck.

[Captain Stubing]

Let's not take or make things personal, gents. New tech having problems will always be something for journo's to get excited about when writing. Not that there's anything wrong with journo's... I met a nice one, once.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by kypez

I've found people from Canberra aren't too bright either or is that an unnecessary generalisation?

They aren't in the main and it's not an unnecessary generalisation

[Franco Cozzo]

The one car to avoid on the roads nationally is the odd one you see with ACT plates, holy shit theyre doozies on the freeway network.

Followed by VIC plates outside of VIC, we're just like ACT drivers but there's millions of us

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The one car to avoid on the roads nationally is the odd one you see with ACT plates, holy shit theyre doozies on the freeway network.



Followed by VIC plates outside of VIC, we're just like ACT drivers but there's millions of us

VIC drivers you can spot a mile away doing 10 under in the right lane because of their draconian policies on speeding at home.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The one car to avoid on the roads nationally is the odd one you see with ACT plates, holy shit theyre doozies on the freeway network.

Followed by VIC plates outside of VIC, we're just like ACT drivers but there's millions of us

It's the wild west in the ACT and the Mexicans **** people off always scared about getting fined but no way you will here unless you get a done by a van

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by MFL

So , I may have missed something - from the article

" the Summon feature is currently in ‘beta’ mode – meaning it is not fully developed and may need more refinement to ensure it functions both safely and as originally intended.

“The whole concept of beta is that it’s still learning – Tesla’s still learning, right, and it’s using these scenarios to learn from that,” David Aylor, the IIHS’ manager of active safety testing, told NBC Washington."

So its okay for driverless Teslas to crash into things , because its in the beta phase.

I must just be getting old.

It’s funny/sad that regular people are paying tens of thousands of dollars to work for Tesla.
That’s gotta be the latest of late stage capitalism.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Ben73

It’s funny/sad that regular people are paying tens of thousands of dollars to work for Tesla.

That’s gotta be the latest of late stage capitalism.

When I wanted to get Sync 3 in my Sync 2 car, Ford said buy the new model.

When I wanted to get 4G support in my BMW, they said, buy the new model (many cars had their apps disconnected this week).

When buying a second-hand car, people often wish the previous owner had ticked options that the car could come with.

When the CCS2 charging standard rolled out, BMW and other brands said, buy the new model.

Instead, Tesla offer everything on their cars. And if you want to have a feature that wasn't ticked by the previous owner (maybe you reduce LCT on their purchase), you can just unlock the feature at any time.

When their new screen came out, they just let you upgrade it.

When 4G support was rolled out, they allowed you to upgrade it.

Car had no rear seat heaters, just pay $300 and bang, they're enabled.

When CCS2 came out, they just allowed us to upgrade the car to support it ($400 including adaptor).

Paying the extra money for FSD has allowed early adopters get their cameras and computers upgraded free of charge (mine was upgraded to HW3 from HW2).

So before you jump the gun and suggest something, maybe do some research so you can understand what Tesla are offering people. My 7 year old Tesla has the current software (minus a few graphics here and there) that the current cars come with. That is simply brilliant.

My GTF, however, is stuck with maps from 2015 never to be upgraded again.

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[Ben73]

Yeah that’s good you can upgrade Teslas with modern features that didn’t come with the car originally. That doesn’t mean you should have to work for them for free.
You could have one without the other.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Yeah that’s good you can upgrade Teslas with modern features that didn’t come
With the car originally. That doesn’t mean you should have to work for them for free.
You could have one without the other.

It's a brilliant strategy. Instead of having only a handful of testers and engineers, have millions. So much more data to learn from and everyone benefits from the system improvements.

The system has improved so much over the years. Now, let's compare that to my Everest Radar cruise that has all the bugs it had the day I got it and never improved at all (random braking and all).

You're only working for them if you're not getting anything back. But you are getting things back. Monthly improvements to the entire system.

Heck, people ask for a feature and if enough ask, they just roll it out. I've never seen any company roll out features so regularly based on consumer feedback without creating a totally new product to up sell them.

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[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by kypez

It's not that it is ok, it's that you should supervise it. Keep an eye on what it's doing and not blindly trust it.

So, it's the very definition of a pointless gimmick. What a surprise.
Sums up Teslas perfectly.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by kypez

Instead, Tesla offer everything on their cars. And if you want to have a feature that wasn't ticked by the previous owner (maybe you reduce LCT on their purchase), you can just unlock the feature at any time.

When their new screen came out, they just let you upgrade it.

When 4G support was rolled out, they allowed you to upgrade it.

Car had no rear seat heaters, just pay $300 and bang, they're enabled.

When CCS2 came out, they just allowed us to upgrade the car to support it ($400 including adaptor).

Paying the extra money for FSD has allowed early adopters get their cameras and computers upgraded free of charge (mine was upgraded to HW3 from HW2).

So before you jump the gun and suggest something, maybe do some research so you can understand what Tesla are offering people. My 7 year old Tesla has the current software (minus a few graphics here and there) that the current cars come with. That is simply brilliant.

My GTF, however, is stuck with maps from 2015 never to be upgraded again.

Wow, you really are addicted to the koolaid.
Maybe take a breath and reread what you wrote, cos it's mostly a pile of nonsense.

You bought, quite literally, "The Last of the GTs", and now you're bitching because they don't make then anymore???

ANY car that features interchangeable parts, can be "upgraded" with those parts. Most people don't bother with near new cars, but plenty of people do it on slightly older models.

Updating software is also common. Usually part of a service, or the first port of call when trouble-shooting a problem.

But eventually, models change, and parts are nolonger interchangeable. So sure, I guess if Tesla makes no changes to the cars, ever, then you'll always be able to upgrade.

Their concept, of selling you features that aren't "activated", is certainly novel. But it's also rather ****ery. You've paid for the car, which means you've paid for everything in it (including the seat warmers) but they say you can't use what you paid for without paying an additional activation fee?
Yeah, not sure that's a positive selling point.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Wow, you really are addicted to the koolaid.

Maybe take a breath and reread what you wrote, cos it's mostly a pile of nonsense.



You bought, quite literally, "The Last of the GTs", and now you're bitching because they don't make then anymore???



ANY car that features interchangeable parts, can be "upgraded" with those parts. Most people don't bother with near new cars, but plenty of people do it on slightly older models.



Updating software is also common. Usually part of a service, or the first port of call when trouble-shooting a problem.



But eventually, models change, and parts are nolonger interchangeable. So sure, I guess if Tesla makes no changes to the cars, ever, then you'll always be able to upgrade.



Their concept, of selling you features that aren't "activated", is certainly novel. But it's also rather ****ery. You've paid for the car, which means you've paid for everything in it (including the seat warmers) but they say you can't use what you paid for without paying an additional activation fee?

Yeah, not sure that's a positive selling point.

You missed the point. When a sync 2 came out with FGX, I couldn't upgrade the unit in the GTF. Nor my FG series 2 G6E EcoLpi nor my G6E Ecoboost.

People who bought sync 2 Mustangs in 2016 just before they changed to sync 3 were in the same boat. Same with my Everest when they changed to sync 3.

Get the idea?

Tesla are making changes, they are just making sure you can retrofit the changes to keep your car current.

Sorry you don't understand cars enough to think what I wrote was nonsense.

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[kypez]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

So, it's the very definition of a pointless gimmick. What a surprise.

Sums up Teslas perfectly.

How many kms have you done in a Tesla? Let me guess, none. But you have an opinion. How sad that you think it matters.

Works fine if you know how to use it.

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[Ben73]

Haven’t seen enough hate on musks latest reveal. A robo cab which is some how a more advanced model Y but is going to cost less money and a robovan.
Tech bro found out what buses were, then made them worse.
No surprise Tesla stock dropped after the reveal.

People are slowly realising the snake oil salesman business plan of false promises so investors can pump and dump isn’t going to last forever.

But hey he said the streets will be crawling with these robotaxis by 2030. Pretty sure his original promise was 2017 or 2019 from memory? Definitely pre 2020. So now it’s 2030. Anyway I can’t wait to see a watered down version of this going live in 2045. If the company still exists that is.Chinese EVs seem like a better investment these days.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Haven’t seen enough hate on musks latest reveal. A robo cab which is some how a more advanced model Y but is going to cost less money and a robovan.

Tech bro found out what buses were, then made them worse.

No surprise Tesla stock dropped after the reveal.



People are slowly realising the snake oil salesman business plan of false promises so investors can pump and dump isn’t going to last forever.



But hey he said the streets will be crawling with these robotaxis by 2030. Pretty sure his original promise was 2017 or 2019 from memory? Definitely pre 2020. So now it’s 2030. Anyway I can’t wait to see a watered down version of this going live in 2045. If the company still exists that is.Chinese EVs seem like a better investment these days.

Whilst I love the Auto Pilot on our cars, there is a huge chasm to cross to Full Self Driving. I'm more than happy where things are now with the driver aids. Of course they could be better but they keep improving which is great.

I'm don't understand the use case for robo cabs, etc. I'll take a bus, train, plane or actual cab if I really need. Robo taxi isn't in the people best interest though they can be safer (but a long way to go there).

Never trust Elon timelines. He's a hype man. And a very good one to certain people. He's like Henry Ford... Gotta be crazy to do something different.

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