The Thailand Special Thread - New Developments/News

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Interesting read. Obviously not being able to plug in to charge really effects the fuel consumption with the test averaging more than what I would expect out of the Raptor in similar driving. Mind you the way it reads, they refueled at Tibooburra and averaged between 14-16Lph. That road is all sealed now and you would assume they left with the battery charged. So not great numbers there.

Also, those Conti tyres must be terrible as I saw a Shark in at Bridgestone in town getting tyres repaired when they had their launch event in Broken Hill.

Other than that it sounds alright as long as you can charge the battery when touring.

Horses for courses really
PHEV, s are more suited to short running really not ideal on long runs, he did say around town he would expect around 10l/100km which is OK

80km battery range will make it suitable for tradeys and if you have solar at home

It will be interesting to see what economy the petrol Ranger can do, it will have to be good to outweigh it's lack of battery range

[Citroënbender]

80km battery range will make it suitable for tradeys and if you have solar at home

It's probably at risk of being perceived inadequate.

I used the map app on my phone to estimate yesterday's urban mileage and it came to 160km.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It's probably at risk of being perceived inadequate.

I used the map app on my phone to estimate yesterday's urban mileage and it came to 160km.

If you're a courier or something similar?

[Citroënbender]

That mileage was exceptional against my usual norm for urban stuff. The point being more that people seemingly like to prepare themselves against all manner of possibilities - real or otherwise - and therefore want more power, more range, more speed; whatever. Related to how Franco’s post highlighted the Kia Tasman power figures vs that of “aspirational” vehicles.

It would be interesting if any of the newer to market manufacturers sponsored/subsidised short term rental fleets to encourage people to try the product.

[BENT_8]

Isnt that the upside of hybrid tech, that when you need the unexpected additional range you dont have to stress.

Toyota are killing it with Hybrids for this reason, best of both worlds when either presents.

[Neme]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Horses for courses really
PHEV, s are more suited to short running really not ideal on long runs, he did say around town he would expect around 10l/100km which is OK

80km battery range will make it suitable for tradeys and if you have solar at home

It will be interesting to see what economy the petrol Ranger can do, it will have to be good to outweigh it's lack of battery range

10L/100km is not great though for all that EV tech?

I do 1000km a week in my company car, 2002 4WD Hilux with steel barkwork, steel tray, all terrains and it averages 10.5L/100km, mix of town, open country road and 4WD on site, and it's driven like a company car

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Neme

10L/100km is not great though for all that EV tech?

I do 1000km a week in my company car, 2002 4WD Hilux with steel barkwork, steel tray, all terrains and it averages 10.5L/100km, mix of town, open country road and 4WD on site, and it's driven like a company car

Agree..... I. Said it was OK?, not great, we used to get 11 out of our XR8 driving economically

It will be interesting to see what economy modern petrol utes can get, because historicaly they haven't been flash

[whynot]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Mind you the way it reads, they refueled at Tibooburra and averaged between 14-16Lph.

Yeah, hard to say why type of driving they did. As a benchmark, an article in Drive.com.au stated they got 15.0L/100km for urban driving in an petrol Volkswagen Amarok.

I am curious as to the issue they had with the pre-prod vehicles only suppling 240V power when the engine was running. This would have increased the fuel consumption a bit as well. PHEV also have this awkward fuel consumption window around 50-70 kph steady state. Above 70 kph, the drive train will clutch up directly to the front wheels. Below 70, it is engine driving alternator driving motors - with the losses that entrains. Stop-start creeping city traffic is where a PHEV does better. And getting a nightly full battery recharge also helps a lot.

I cannot understand the logic of taking any vehicle equipped with just road terrain tyres on a test run like that over rock strewn roads like that. It is simply abusing the vehicle. And gifting the next motoring journalist (I use that term advisedly) with a set of tyres previously abused and with cuts all over them.

Some of the Carsales reviews of late have been a little, ummm, smug? Add this one to the list.

[Sprintey]

"We’ve refuelled and the numbers are startling and disappointing. No vehicle has been able to better 14L/100km and the white Shark averaged more than 16L/100km. Clearly, sustained high speed running increases the demands on the petrol engine"

Wow, a 100 Series petrol V8 at sustained high speed running could better that.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

"We’ve refuelled and the numbers are startling and disappointing. No vehicle has been able to better 14L/100km and the white Shark averaged more than 16L/100km. Clearly, sustained high speed running increases the demands on the petrol engine"

Wow, a 100 Series petrol V8 at sustained high speed running could better that.

How many people are going to buy this, sucked in by the claimed fuel figures or on the pretence it’s a hybrid so it’s good on fuel, only to use it to tow or predominately do highway driving and seeing running costs significantly worse than a diesel Ute that uses 50% less fuel under the same conditions.

Going back to over stressed, or asking a lot from a small engine.
16l/100km is huge fuel burn for a 1.5 litre four cylinder. Curious to know how this engine holds up if it’s consistently put under this much load. Life span can probably be counted in months not years.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

"We’ve refuelled and the numbers are startling and disappointing. No vehicle has been able to better 14L/100km and the white Shark averaged more than 16L/100km. Clearly, sustained high speed running increases the demands on the petrol engine"

Wow, a 100 Series petrol V8 at sustained high speed running could better that.

Its funny you say that, I had the argument with a mate whose ordered a Shark in the first allocation. He wouldnt listen, I assume he will find out the hard way...

For some more context, My 600HP SSV Redline AVERAGES 14-15L/100km when I drive it (and I dont drive it with economy in mind).