Does the Ford world have an answer to this? - Page 2

XR8MAD · 07-07-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordoldie

They may have been but my point was they weren't being torn apart as XR8MAD suggested.

I think Ford have to get the current V8 handling better before giving it more power. The BF has improved from BAII but not that much. I dont think the current chassis is set up for too much forward weight over the front so we wont be seeing any changes until the next platform. Thats why Ford have persisted with the Turbo so much. Perhaps they would love to have an answer but they just cant do it with what they have

The only way to solve the Boss V8 weight problem is make them all alloy blocks. The GT's in the GTP series are alloy blocks and the handling difference is remarkable.

1970galaxie · 08-07-2006, 12:43 AM

I think that the Govt will one day step in and demand a cap on power ratings, like they did in the 70s with the supercar scare that Evan Green started off. It wouldn't surprise me that it's not that far away, and I'd guess it would be maybe 350kw.
No pulling back on power, no fleet cars. Panic! Ford and Holden then stop making big hp.

Full Spectrum · 08-07-2006, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BA_Turbs

I think the problem is power from factory, I don;t pollies would be smart enough to know the difference between V8s and Turbos would they? It the big numbers that the Herald Sun Cars Guide and Motor magazine run on their front page/cover that would be the cause for concern, not the fact that for $10K I could have enough after market power to complete with a supercar.

I just can't see how a vehicle with this sort of engine output would not come to the attention of the government.

I don't know why they need something so large anyway.
They had played with a 6.2lt some years ago and got 350kw from that.
They could have played some more, 7LT just seems American supersize:P

Fordoldie · 08-07-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Until Holden realise that multiple cams and atleast 3 valves per cyl. is the way to develop power in the future, i believe they will struggle as the perception of bigger is more expensive to run.
Holden may win the race and 20% of the market but i think Ford will win at the bowser with the penny conscious buyer.

I disagree with your theory there. The current canadian alloy V8 revs higher and more freely, is lighter, stronger, has less moving parts and is more efficient than most other V8 engines. In fact GM have been building and perfecting the pushrod alloy V8 since the 60's.
Ford have built some fantastic engines as well but it astounds me why thay havent taken it further. Is it because the majority of V8s in the US are used in FWD or commercial RWD configuration?
If Aussie V8 supercars had'nt gone to an identical driveline setup I think Ford would be in deep poo by now

Jock260 · 08-07-2006, 11:46 AM

i think ford need to come up with something fast, the boss engine is one of the best ebgine ford has ever had, but it need more power, i cant figure out why they didnt update it for the bf, or even the ba mk11. yes holden will gain about 200 kilo's, but they are also going to have some serious horses under the bonnet. as i said before, all it will take is maybe to kilowatts across the performance range, and maybe 20/15 nm, is all it will take, and ford will be equal or ahead of the commodore. As for the fpv, with the rumor of 400kw for the gts, the gt will need to accomodate the gts by pulling something out of its ****, can ford even get another 110kw out of it without blowing it?
the typhoon should stay with the clubbies and keep them undercontrol.

Jock260 · 08-07-2006, 11:47 AM

just my 2c though

Dilan · 08-07-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordoldie

I saw a video clip the other day showing two 7 litre Monaros winning the Bathurst 24 Hr in 2003 and they were tearing everything else apart including GT3's and all the other expensive Euro racers

You did take into account the fact that they cheated? If the Euro's where to do the same then bye, bye Monaros.

Angeldust · 08-07-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilan

You did take into account the fact that they cheated? If the Euro's where to do the same then bye, bye Monaros.

its a LeMans winning engine

what else would u want?

if u could buy a cheap fiat with a ferrari engine, would u still be saying that its ****? :hihi:

Abacus · 08-07-2006, 01:25 PM

I'd rather see them do a hi-po diesel, like this one from an earlier thread:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...-diesel-engine

The engine is there. It's already in production. Its Euro compliant, and it would kick the daylights out of anything HSV or FPV are currently using.

Ruger · 08-07-2006, 01:31 PM

can you imagine insurance cost of a 7l v8

XR8MAD · 08-07-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1970galaxie

I think that the Govt will one day step in and demand a cap on power ratings, like they did in the 70s with the supercar scare that Evan Green started off. It wouldn't surprise me that it's not that far away, and I'd guess it would be maybe 350kw.
No pulling back on power, no fleet cars. Panic! Ford and Holden then stop making big hp.

not to sure if the effect would be the same. Back then Ford and Holden were building the fast cars, now its HSV and FPV. They have different identities to the manufacturers so the threat of stopping government fleet sales wouldnt work. FOrd and Holden could just say "Hey its HSV and FPV building these hot cars not us"

Bucket · 08-07-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Angeldust

its a LeMans winning engine

what else would u want?

if u could buy a cheap fiat with a ferrari engine, would u still be saying that its ****? :hihi:

Did you even read what he said??

The Monaro was basically a V8 Supercar with a Monaro Shell
It used a FORD Differential
Hollinger Racing Gearbox
And a 7L Chevy Engine.
etc etc

The Ferrari's, Lambo's etc were basically stock... save Roll Cages and Brakes from memory...

The race was meant to be a battle of stock performance cars with minor modifications...

Put the Bathurst Monaro in the 24 Hours Le Mans and see how good it goes then.

BTTB · 08-07-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoon Hoon

Is there a big displacement, big power V8 out there somewhere in the Ford world that could be bunged into an FPV? 5.4L is starting to look a little... well... little.

2004 Shelby Cobra Concept
Unlike the classic V8 Cobra, the concept sports a 605-hp 6.4 liter V10 between the front fenders.

I wouldn't mind driving a 6.4L All-Alloy V10 Falcon

But Ford Australia will never have the BALLS to do it....

Full Spectrum · 09-07-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruger

can you imagine insurance cost of a 7l v8

But mate, If you paying $120,000 for a car you don't care much for insurance

tbearz · 09-07-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EFGTHO

2004 Shelby Cobra Concept
Unlike the classic V8 Cobra, the concept sports a 605-hp 6.4 liter V10 between the front fenders.

I wouldn't mind driving a 6.4L All-Alloy V10 Falcon

But Ford Australia will never have the BALLS to do it....

and you wouldn't have the money to mine a 3rd world countries oil resources to run the damn thing

Dilan · 09-07-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Angeldust

its a LeMans winning engine

what else would u want?

if u could buy a cheap fiat with a ferrari engine, would u still be saying that its ****? :hihi:

I think you should read into the topic a bit more

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