Wade 1004@112 Cam Questions - Page 2

Sox · 15-03-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thanatos

Rick, i'm sick of these bullshit arguments with you.

No need for that, can't you discuss these issues without losing your cool?

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If you want to continue living in your ideal world, where EVERYTHING that has ANY kind of benefit suddenly becomes 100% necessary, then so be it.

Read my above post, I clearly stated that in some cases power does actually go backwards.

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Just don't expect everyone else to be the same, some of us are a little more realistic, and we realise that, unless you are chasing MAXIMUM power, you can make compromises to save money, etc. and still be perfectly happy with the results.

Sure you can, however the question was asked, I answered it, and gave my reasons. I stand by those reasons, and nothing you can say will change that.
My gut feeling tells me that I may have installed a few more cams than you have.

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Oh, and incidently, my last cam (1004 / 110, which is now in john's car) i went to dial in (as i have a vernier gear), only to discover that there was NO ADJUSTMENT NECESSARY.

I have also seen this happen on a 1004 /112 in my mates EF fairmont.

Great stuff, however it happens as many times that the cam is 5/10/15 degrees out, and this may lose 5kw, 10kw, or 20kw of power, and feel like an utter dog because of poor cylinder filling at low revs.

For the sake of $150~ and the reasurrance that the cam is spot on, it is money well spent, and mandatory IMO.

Rick.

Sox · 15-03-2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

Shit stirring for the sake of stirring right there if I've ever seen it.

Guilty as charged.
I thought he'd be ok with it, considering we'd been 'down the road' a few times.

It appears I was wrong......

Rick.

Thanatos · 15-03-2005, 10:06 AM

Not losing my cool, mate, just sick of these bullshit arguments with you, simple as that ;)

Oh, and incidently, how many cams have YOU heard of that are 5/10/15 degress out out on OUR ENGINES??

I have never heard of any.

And you probably do have more experience in installing cams than me (in general), but i've had plenty of experience on OUR ENGINES, not some V8 or anything else that is irrelevant.

stockstandard · 15-03-2005, 10:06 AM

I installed mine with a vernier gear, clocked it up, it sat exactly where the stock cam sat. Then I paid for a few dyno runs to see if it could be tuned in a little better. they did 3 runs starting where I left it and then 3 deg each way and the car had the best curve where I left it. Same story with the cam I have now.

Maybe I have just been lucky, but I wouldnt bother with one unless I found I needed it. It is easy enough to chuck one on later if you want to.

Thanatos · 15-03-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

Guilty as charged.
I thought he'd be ok with it, considering we'd been 'down the road' a few times.

It appears I was wrong......

Rick.

Nah, i'm alright with it ;)

I actually find it quite comical that you can run so far with a misconception

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EFFalcon · 15-03-2005, 10:08 AM

$150 for the actual vernier gear..... then some money to have it fitted... and dyno'd and adjusted and dyno'd...

dansedgli · 15-03-2005, 10:08 AM

And seeing wade dont even recommend one for their regrinds why would you bother.

Sox · 15-03-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

$150 for the actual vernier gear..... then some money to have it fitted... and dyno'd and adjusted and dyno'd...

I'm not suggesting it be dynoed, just clocked up to the cam grinders spec.
And why is it extra money to have fitted? It's all apart at the time of fitting the cam anyway, there is no extra expense apart from the gear itself.
It takes all of 10mins to clock up a cam.

Rick.

Sox · 15-03-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Thanatos

Oh, and incidently, how many cams have YOU heard of that are 5/10/15 degress out out on OUR ENGINES??

I didn't say it was your engines.
Though it could be.

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I have never heard of any.

How many have you fitted?

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And you probably do have more experience in installing cams than me (in general), but i've had plenty of experience on OUR ENGINES, not some V8 or anything else that is irrelevant.

It's all relevant. In fact it is less likely for a pushrod V8 to be as far out as a OHC engine. Timing chain stretch is a much bigger issue with the length of chain being used.
V8's also have no guides, don't have the problem with different head gasket thickness, etc.
The only problem a V8 has is if it gets tunnel bored, and of course if the cam is machine out of whack, and/or the sprocket out of whack.

Rick.

Thanatos · 15-03-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

I'm not suggesting it be dynoed, just clocked up to the cam grinders spec.
And why is it extra money to have fitted? It's all apart at the time of fitting the cam anyway, there is no extra expense apart from the gear itself.
It takes all of 10mins to clock up a cam.

Rick.

Many more people would be more confident in installing a cam, but wouldn't have the expertise (or equipment) to dial in a cam. I've done it before, and i know how easy it is, but some people wouldn't have the confidence to do it themselves, and would rather leave it to a professional.

stockstandard · 15-03-2005, 10:25 AM

Sit the cam in and measure it up with the standard gear, then if it is out buy a vernier and swap it over. Probably an hours extra work which might save $100. If needed I would definately get one, why pay money for a performance mod if your not going to set it up right? But also why spend money on parts you might not need?

Thanatos · 15-03-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox

I didn't say it was your engines.
Though it could be.

So that would be a zero then? :P Thought so ;)

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Originally Posted by Sox

How many have you fitted?

i don't exactly know, i have better things to do with my life than count how many cams i have installed. It'd be well over 20 in OHC I6's i'd say at a guess...

**Polyal** · 15-03-2005, 12:43 PM

haha you two crack me up!...

Anyway..I dont see the issue in getting one. If you can afford to get the cam in the first place then and extra ~150 isn't going to hurt; escpically if you want to tinker with things down the track.

IMO if you dont want one simple, dont get it; but if you going to the trouble of opening everythng up then just get it anyway. I would want the piece of mind know that I got what I paid for.