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nugget378 · 05-09-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ktmconvert

So what you are saying that it is power to weight ratio.

Pac performance will build you a 10 second engine for 10 grand. Thats not bad in anyones terms I'm sure.

Ok Ill bite,I have an old rotor,
Give me the breakdown of costs to buid a 10 sec engine...

plext · 06-09-2006, 12:23 AM

I'd imagine that you'd get a few runs at a Jetranger taking it to 1320 feet and dropping it for that kind of money.

Certainly more runs than the mythical 40psi monster would manage on a strip.

loxxr6 · 06-09-2006, 12:48 AM

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rotors only start to come alive with a turbo,and even then only in 2200lb chicken coops.

So true.

I don't hate them myself - hearing them rev their tits off at a horsepower heroes event is awesome, but there's nothing like a V8.

4Vman · 06-09-2006, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Ok Ill bite,I have an old rotor,
Give me the breakdown of costs to buid a 10 sec engine...

It would probably go 10 in a Go-kart!!

OLDFORDNUT · 06-09-2006, 08:35 AM

i love it, i reckon it would be loads of fun, as for power to weight ,aren't these rods Light?and when you blow rotary up you can wack another motor in it that you prefer like one of my spare 351's,
very cheap start to Hot rods,but alas i cant afford it.
i would buy it if i could afford it .

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 09:09 AM

dont get me wrong, im a real big fan of the v8 donk however
it makes u wonder if those extra 6.3 litres are really worth it when you
can make 195 kw at 7 pounds boost in a 1.3 litre rotary.
this is true nugget that virtually all rotarys are in lightweight cars

brendo83 · 06-09-2006, 09:13 AM

Wouldn't be suprised at a 10sec motor for 10k

5k for a decent rebuild
3k for a decent turbo and intercooler setup
2k for ECU and related gear

Throw it all in a reasonably setup chassis and I reckon you'd see tens.

Nothing beats a rotor for its size, they may not be everyones cup of tea, but you cant deny the massive amounts power can be extracted from them.

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by brendo83

Wouldn't be suprised at a 10sec motor for 10k

5k for a decent rebuild
3k for a decent turbo and intercooler setup
2k for ECU and related gear

Throw it all in a reasonably setup chassis and I reckon you'd see tens.

Nothing beats a rotor for its size, they may not be everyones cup of tea, but you cant deny the massive amounts power can be extracted from them.

exactly what im tryin to say

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 09:17 AM

plext.
40 psi is what u get for a 6.5 grand turbo and intercooler setup
according to redline rotor and tweak its joint opinion.
or he just got absoultley jacked but one thing im sure of is that burnouts through 1st to 3rd is not what i would call normal.

Auslandau · 06-09-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Whats next, an ls1 in an XY??

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Was done! Street Fords about 4 issues back..........

Also all this talk about Rot's vs V8's!!!! The fact is the site of a V8, flathead or otherwsie sticking out of the side of a rod looks bloody unreal! For looks alone its worth it and of course the sound is tonnes times better! Who cares how much RKW, PSI, blah blah, it will still sit up and boogey with a std 302W or C! As the saying goes......"If looks could kill", and the sound and looks are enough for that. Might as well be a Daewoo motor painted pretty as it just does not look right no matter what!

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herogoose · 06-09-2006, 01:09 PM

my other mates 12a extend mild port.
i rekon its a pretty sweet lookin motor.
but its up 2 u what u guys think.

nugget378 · 06-09-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brendo83

Wouldn't be suprised at a 10sec motor for 10k

5k for a decent rebuild
3k for a decent turbo and intercooler setup
2k for ECU and related gear

Throw it all in a reasonably setup chassis and I reckon you'd see tens.

Nothing beats a rotor for its size, they may not be everyones cup of tea, but you cant deny the massive amounts power can be extracted from them.

Umm have you built one?
I think youll find your prices are too low,and half the stuff is missing,
fuel system would be over a grand alone,tuning wouldnt be less than $2G when you add dyno time,a "decent" ecu will cost 3 on its own,you can get cheaper though I spose.
exhaust?-800?
Intercooler piping? 5-800?
What about injectors,fuel rail,manifold?
Id say your about 5-8 k short....
And there would be stuff you'd find along the way,there always is..
And my V8 with all bolt on's would cost no more..

Ruger · 06-09-2006, 02:22 PM

cost 12k for my brother to build 540hp stroker clevo pan to carb fuel system included.
11 flat in a 1450kg car.

put that 12k in a little rx2 or rx3 make it fit and itll see 9's

rotary's just look wrong though you wouldnt put it in a rod. or if you did bloody leave the engine cover on!
pp motors make maximum of 300hp and need rebuild every 5000k's of normal driving.
you could get a reliable 350hp 351clevo that will last hundreds of thousands of k's for a fraction of the price of that pp 13b.
and a clevo looks better.
not my cup of tea that.

4Vman · 06-09-2006, 02:58 PM

Rotary lovers are like scientologists... its like a different religion.
You either hate them or love them.

My favourite sound is brap brap BANG!

JG3282 · 06-09-2006, 03:51 PM

A friend of ours used to have a 27 Roadster with a 13B in it that ran 9.90 at about 130 running in the ANDRA Supergas class. It set the BB/HR record at 10.25 in 1997 and I think might even still hold it to this day.

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 03:55 PM

My favourite sound is brap brap BANG![/QUOTE]

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

BJ · 06-09-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by herogoose

my other mates 12a extend mild port.
i rekon its a pretty sweet lookin motor.
but its up 2 u what u guys think.

So wheres the rest of it??

**GasoLane** · 06-09-2006, 04:12 PM

Nah I'm sorry, it's just not on!.

But, If I had to drive that I'd want a REALLY good sound system with a tape playing of Lowndsey during his last half effort at Sandown (with speakers near the exhaust!)

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

So wheres the rest of it??

right here, goin back into the car. :thebirds:

Schmee · 06-09-2006, 05:36 PM

only thing I have to say is "I really hope it comes with engine covers/bonnet and real dark sunglasses and a beanie....LOLOLOL"

Kev

nugget378 · 06-09-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by herogoose

right here, goin back into the car. :thebirds:

Your mate must have a bad back,he needs an engine hoist..

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Originally Posted by Schmee

only thing I have to say is "I really hope it comes with engine covers/bonnet and real dark sunglasses and a beanie....LOLOLOL"

Kev

And some super heavy duty,lead line atomic ear muffs....:monkes:

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 06:01 PM

have a look at the pic of the engine goin in.
rotarys are not that heavy, we removed one out of another rx7
with a tow rope and 2 guys on either side of a metal bar.

**Falcon Coupe** · 06-09-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by herogoose

my other mates 12a extend mild port.
i rekon its a pretty sweet lookin motor.
but its up 2 u what u guys think.

That would be great in the GT, i need a new starter motor. :hihi:

BJ · 06-09-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by herogoose

right here, goin back into the car. :thebirds:

Yeah but weres the rest of it.

nugget378 · 06-09-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by herogoose

have a look at the pic of the engine goin in.
rotarys are not that heavy, we removed one out of another rx7
with a tow rope and 2 guys on either side of a metal bar.

Reckon he wasted his time with the hoist mate,
could have easily balanced it on his knob...

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herogoose · 06-09-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

Yeah but weres the rest of it.

thats it mate..
u dont need 1/5 a tonne of metal to make ur car go fast as rotarys and 4cyl turbo's have proven. i rekon u guys that are baggin them out are just ****ed that a puny 1.3 litre turbo is making more hp than u. except for u nugget, if that is ur car in the avatar cause that engine just looks INSANE.

one of the main reasons rotary cars are so light is because they dont have so much engine weight as most conventional v8's do.

if u had half a brain u would see that im only tryin to inform u of my mates cars specs to try and generally share information, thats wat the net is for.
but if ur gonna be a D!%^head and ridecule people for their opinions and personal ideas then u really dont deserve to be walking on this earth.
thats my 2 cents worth, take it or leave it

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nugget378 · 06-09-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by herogoose

thats it mate..
u dont need 1/5 a tonne of metal to make ur car go fast as rotarys and 4cyl turbo's have proven. i rekon u guys that are baggin them out are just ****ed that a puny 1.3 litre turbo is making more hp than u. except for u nugget, if that is ur car in the avatar cause that engine just looks INSANE.

one of the main reasons rotary cars are so light is because they dont have so much engine weight as most conventional v8's do.

if u had half a brain u would see that im only tryin to inform u of my mates cars specs to try and generally share information, thats wat the net is for.
but if ur gonna be a D!%^head and ridecule people for their opinions and personal ideas then u really dont deserve to be walking on this earth.
thats my 2 cents worth, take it or leave it

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Dont take things so seriously mate.
Of course there gonna get bagged on a ford forum,alot of old school V8 purists here.
No one is gonna hate you or your mate for owning a rotary.
The thread was about a rotor in an old Ford hotrod,which most unbiased people will agree dosent go with the "theme" of what a hot rod is..
I saw a rotory circuit car go round at the muscle car masters last weekend,it had very good corner speed,no doubt helped by the lightweight engine.
It didnt have the outright power for straight line speed though to keep up to the bigger cars.
Now you could say throw a turbo on it and you'll see,but imagine one of those 6 litre V8's with a turbo?
All things being equal,boost for boost, cubes will win...

brendo83 · 06-09-2006, 09:37 PM

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Umm have you built one?
I think youll find your prices are too low,and half the stuff is missing,
fuel system would be over a grand alone,tuning wouldnt be less than $2G when you add dyno time,a "decent" ecu will cost 3 on its own,you can get cheaper though I spose.
exhaust?-800?
Intercooler piping? 5-800?
What about injectors,fuel rail,manifold?
Id say your about 5-8 k short....
And there would be stuff you'd find along the way,there always is..
And my V8 with all bolt on's would cost no more..

Well, I have had a rotor rebuilt, not a ten second package, but then again have you?

mazfix have a 10 second package you can buy for $8295 on their website, check it out if you like, it costs an extra 3k for full fitment, but I'm sure you could do a lot of it yourself and come in under the 10g mark.

And of course if you throw the same amount of boost into a 6 litre V8 it will go harder, but thats not really equal now is it? If you really want an equal contest, but motor should be of the same capacity, and the way to increase capacity is boost. every 14.5psi effectively doubles stock capacity, so at 14.5 a 13b becomes a 2.6l, 29psi it becomes a 3.9l,
I'd like to see even a well worked 6l against a 13b at 29psi.

Having said that I totally agree that a rotor in a hot rod really doesn't work for me, big V8's are a big part of what makes a hotrod cool, if you threw a V8 in an RX-7 not many would like it either.

herogoose · 06-09-2006, 11:01 PM

u guys seen high octane 2.
they got a v8 in a series 6 rx7.
the dude drivin it is like the sideways king,
on one corner he overtakes a wrx at like 70 degrees.
one of the craziest things ive ever seen.

sorry bout the

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but people that dismiss other cars as inadequete or sh1t because they dont have a v8 or v6 really **** me off, chances are there are a very large number of cars that arent v8 or v6 that could destroy these vehicles on the track or strip. take the ford sierra or nissan pulsar gtir for example.