KIA - Would you buy one?

[au2000]

Personally I think the stinger was here maybe 3 or 4 years too early as those who missed or could not get a ss, turbo, hsv, fpv etc started hunting for 2nd hand, as that market of decently priced models changes that's when I think the stinger could have become more appealing here.
If I was in the market, I'd have a look at 1 no doubts, I still want to test drive 1 too admittedly.

[hackney]

The only Kia I would even consider is the Stinger,the rest of the range,no thankyou.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Express

Out of interest, what model AMG do you own, is it your daily or just your I wanna have fun car?

As per my sig....Pauper’s model 2018 A45 ( couldn’t stretch the budget to 100k+ for the 2020 model )

It’s not a daily. It’s too taught and hyperactive to be a comfortable day to day proposition. I jump in it for fun factor . It’s a mind blowing thing considering it’s size and output.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

As per my sig....Pauper’s model 2018 A45 ( couldn’t stretch the budget to 100k+ for the 2020 model )

It’s not a daily. It’s too taught and hyperactive to be a comfortable day to day proposition. I jump in it for fun factor . It’s a mind blowing thing considering it’s size and output.

Without venturing too off topic, I would love to have an A45 even one of the earlier models. My mate who is a tuner can get these tuned on E85 with close to 500hp. He can vouch for their performance.

If it werent for the desire to own another V8 (looking at Lexus ISF) I would go for the A45 hands down.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Without venturing too off topic, I would love to have an A45 even one of the earlier models. My mate who is a tuner can get these tuned on E85 with close to 500hp. He can vouch for their performance.

If it werent for the desire to own another V8 (looking at Lexus ISF) I would go for the A45 hands down.

Yes.....
A “measley” stage 2 tune is on the cards. The temptation to get it into the high 11 / low 12 second bracket is beckoning. That’s the most I’ll do to it to keep it sane and preserve it.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

Yes.....
A “measley” stage 2 tune is on the cards. The temptation to get it into the high 11 / low 12 second bracket is beckoning. That’s the most I’ll do to it to keep it sane and preserve it.

Why not? If the driveline can handle it, I say go for it. Not many cars in that performance bracket and can still drive like a daily.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Why not? If the driveline can handle it, I say go for it. Not many cars in that performance bracket and can still drive like a daily.

Yep
As with all Turbo cars, the performance potential is broad.
KIA stinger is no exception.

https://youtu.be/nPsfm17YqXw

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

Yep
As with all Turbo cars, the performance potential is broad.
KIA stinger is no exception.

https://youtu.be/nPsfm17YqXw

Even in stock form they go quick. Can only imagine with an exhaust, intake and tune this thing a definite 12s car if it can hook up.

[Express]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

As per my sig....Pauper’s model 2018 A45 ( couldn’t stretch the budget to 100k+ for the 2020 model )

It’s not a daily. It’s too taught and hyperactive to be a comfortable day to day proposition. I jump in it for fun factor . It’s a mind blowing thing considering it’s size and output.

There's nothing pauper about the 2018 A45, it's a great car in my books.

I looked at buying a 2019 model but in the end decided it wasn't quite me.

They are ballistic and just from Mercedes quoted times quicker to 100 than my 2010 & 2019 C63s.

And like you said in your other post they respond so well to a tune as do all AMG's.

I use my 2010 as a daily for the shops and things.

Apart from lowering the 2010 and fitting it with bigger and wider rims and tyres I've kept my cars stock but I do sometimes think about a tune but my laziness says they are quick enough as they are.

Plus I like the way they sound out of the box and don't really want to upset that by catching the bug and start adding an aftermarket exhaust and intakes like other owners do, I can spend that money on other cars.



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[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Express

I have no problem with the reason why people buy or choose the cars they do and that includes if they buy them just for the badge alone.

Car enthusiasts, the people who frequent these types of Forums are notorious for buying cars without using logic, I fall into that category, I see many cars that make better sense when it comes down to value for money but value for money isn't in my DNA, I buy cars I can afford that I want to own.

I think you're music terpreting what I'm saying.
Personally I agree with you.

But it seems you are assuming that Kia's can't fall into that category for their buyer's. They might even think identically as not all are cheap anymore.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

I think you're music terpreting what I'm saying.
Personally I agree with you.

But it seems you are assuming that Kia's can't fall into that category for their buyer's. They might even think identically as not all are cheap anymore.

Hyundai did it with the N division cars. They have created a product and sub brand that is focused at a particular buyer and are selling it on its merits rather than as a cut price “good value - good warranty” cheapie.

KIA could learn from their sister company and share the learnings. The market right now is hot for small to medium well designed hatches. KIA has gaps here. The Ceed GT isn’t cutting it......and the RIO nameplate well.. shame as the RIO GT looks a ripper but it’s dragging some ugly luggage with that bloodline.
Building more aspirational performance models will help with trickledown to the more mainstream stuff. As it stands, the KIA portfolio is a bit lacking.

[Express]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

I think you're music terpreting what I'm saying.
Personally I agree with you.

But it seems you are assuming that Kia's can't fall into that category for their buyer's. They might even think identically as not all are cheap anymore.

I don't have a problem with Kia's, they're everywhere and I've seen the SUV's some of my friends have and seen what they've got for their cash and believe they are good value for their money.

I'm also sure there are many car enthusiasts who'd love the idea of owning a Stinger, my problem isn't the badge, it's that I don't like the look of it.

That's just a subjective thing and I don't knock those that see it differently.

My passion for cars has changed focus over the years, I have those core models I still love as in Fords, Holden, GM & Chrysler/Dodge/Valiants from the 60's and 70's but my car taste buds have also evolved in other directions.

I can remember a time when I wouldn't touch a turbo for a million dollars as I was an N/A V8 man through and through where a blower was the only forced induction I'd consider.

That rejection of turbos has definitely changed and you only have to look at what Ford produced with a snail to know why and I now have two twin turbo cars and love them both.

I understand value for money in cars like the Stinger but for me there is an important ingredient in the mix that always makes up the value component and that is the enjoyment I get from the vehicle.

I like fast late model cars that handle well but I love old 70's stuff even though they are now well and truly off the pace but I can grab a spanner or screw driver and a really big hammer and play with them in my shed where my modern cars are just sent off to a professional to sort out for me.

Car enthusiasts all have different reasons as to why they love their cars and what makes good value and value for money for me is being able to touch the car and feel as though a part of me is in there somewhere.

I'm not a person who could have just one car, I'd have to have at least two, one late model car for convenience sake (preferably a performance variant) and one classic era for my kind of fun and both would have to meet certain criteria to be parked in my garage.

I've owned a few AMG's, I got rid of the E63 because it was too big and it was quicker than the smaller C63 I replaced it with and I would have bought the A45 last year as it was quicker than the C63 I bought instead but the A45 was too small.

The value for money for performance was in the A45 but the value for what suited me better was in the C63 and I paid extra for the value.



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[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Express

I have no problem with the reason why people buy or choose the cars they do and that includes if they buy them just for the badge alone.

Car enthusiasts, the people who frequent these types of Forums are notorious for buying cars without using logic, I fall into that category, I see many cars that make better sense when it comes down to value for money but value for money isn't in my DNA, I buy cars I can afford that I want to own.

Lol I'm law trained and can't make near money for an AMG. Tax, maintenance etc.

Falcons yes blah blah way but AMGs like just what?

Wealthy hey.

No wonder KIA no good if milliionare speaking.

Sadly some of us aren't, so we have to be realistic.

[FTE217]

You don't need to be a millionaire to own and run a euro by the way.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by FTE217

You don't need to be a millionaire to own and run a euro by the way.

Yes this is true. Many of the Jap cars can be just as expensive nowadays.
My FPV ownership experience wasn’t exactly cheap. Bremont brakes / rotors, Michelin tyres , O-40 oil at $90.00 with $35.00 filters. If you buckle or rash a wheel they were $1200 each from Ford. Try sourcing a front or rear FPV bar for less than 6K each complete but unpainted.... milkshaked ZF ? $$$$

Cost of repairs and maintenance gap has closed a lot between a lot marques these days. Price to pay for wanting every gizmo as an option.

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

Yes this is true. Many of the Jap cars can be just as expensive nowadays.
My FPV ownership experience wasn’t exactly cheap. Bremont brakes / rotors, Michelin tyres , O-40 oil at $90.00 with $35.00 filters. If you buckle or rash a wheel they were $1200 each from Ford. Try sourcing a front or rear FPV bar for less than 6K each complete but unpainted.... milkshaked ZF ? $$$$

Cost of repairs and maintenance gap has closed a lot between a lot marques these days. Price to pay for wanting every gizmo as an option.

Here we are complaining about cost of running expensive cars yet we drive FPVs In saying that there is a plethora of alternative and aftermarket parts available other than factory for them which can buffer out some of those maintenance costs. My F6 experience was somewhat positive except living 400+km away from specialists and tuners.

I hope in the near future we see some nice aftermarket parts for stinger and the likes. Might make them a little more appealing.

[Express]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Lol I'm law trained and can't make near money for an AMG. Tax, maintenance etc.

Falcons yes blah blah way but AMGs like just what?

Wealthy hey.

No wonder KIA no good if milliionare speaking.

Sadly some of us aren't, so we have to be realistic.

I don't know what 'law trained' means but if you are saying you're a lawyer then I haven't seen to many poor ones.






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[Express]

Originally Posted by FTE217

You don't need to be a millionaire to own and run a euro by the way.

So true.

Euros are a global product and there are many suppliers where you can source cheaper parts for them and some have the full backing and support of the manufacturers.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Express

I don't know what 'law trained' means but if you are saying you're a lawyer then I haven't seen to many poor ones.


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I don't work as a lawyer anymore.

Just joking with you, I'm jealous of your awesome collection!

[FTE217]

Heres a service scheduling from 2018 Stinger up to 40thou clicks I found.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/585254/...ing-and-specs/
I've copied pasted the key points in discussion here below.

Scheduled maintenance for both engines is required every 12 months or 10,000 kilometres - which is six months and 2500km longer than Kia's previous turbocharged service intervals.

The first four visits for the 2.0-litre model are listed at $249, $434, $317 and $617 - totalling $1617. Meanwhile, the V6 is slightly pricier at $252, $436, $368 $635, totalling $1691 for the first four years or 40,000 kilometres.

Now we know then to add brembo pad replacements are not 2bob just as our FPV's/Sprints and Syn oils etcetc.....

My 330i bimmer has its 40k service due, its the 2.0T motor, look at Stingers 2.0l 4th service starting @ $617.
Sure thats Dealer pricing, I checked with my Euro Bimmer Specialist the other day actually, charge is $380 + parts.
Parts I'll supply buying genuine OES product through sources.
TBH having checked this I find the KIA expensive for what it is at this stage no disrespect intended.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by FTE217

You don't need to be a millionaire to own and run a euro by the way.

Of course not.

However all Euro's are not one and the same!

[FTE217]

neither are Falcon/commodes/jap/korean.

[lra]

[QUOTE=FTE217;6463044 The first four visits for the 2.0-litre model are listed at $249, $434, $317 and $617 - totalling $1617. Meanwhile, the V6 is slightly pricier at $252, $436, $368 $635, totalling $1691 for the first four years or 40,000 kilometres. [/QUOTE]

I can't see any problem here.
A new car, 7 years warranty, avg $400 per year/10,000km servicing.
Or, buy an old car, for SFA, no warranty, spend $ ???? on replacement parts, and servicing which may not have been done since Noah discovered water proofing.

[FTE217]

Neither do I but for making comparo to my bimmer euro service to the Stinger like for like @ 40thou k's.
We didn't bring old car into the discussion.

[Whitey-AMG]

Suspected this as I stated in earlier posts regarding N division cars.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/864088/...-it-will-look/

Be interesting to see if and when this is released here how it will be received by the market.

[raised by monkeys]

im a fan of the i30n front bar air holes not too dissimilar to the RS. Don't mind the look of the i30n fastback either. The fastback just loses me after nil looking pumped F or R guards. That's what I loved about the VE styling especially in the HSV line.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by FTE217

neither are Falcon/commodes/jap/korean.

Well in general the price ranges are vastly different/wider.

[FairmontGS]

I'd happily drive a 2020 Cerato GT sedan. Very Euro-spec and well appointed. A great looking shape. Currently can be had for ~$34k driveaway.

[lra]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Neither do I but for making comparo to my bimmer euro service to the Stinger like for like @ 40thou k's.
We didn't bring old car into the discussion.

Sorry. Thought you were having a whinge about the service costs.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

Suspected this as I stated in earlier posts regarding N division cars.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/864088/...-it-will-look/

Be interesting to see if and when this is released here how it will be received by the market.

That looks awful. It's so US market focused to look like that, and it's hard to see it being well received anywhere else.