Major Ford announcement.... - Page 10

**Polyal** · 26-07-2009, 12:07 PM

Bloody hell off for a couple of days and this happens!

Well its bloody fantastic news, cant even believe there are people thinking its bad. What intrigues me is there is no way in hell US Ford would invest that money without a larger plan; all these engines and tech cant be just for Oz.

Its a shame for the Mondeo, its a good car but it will be useless once the 4T is introduced.

Also, all these 4T talk makes me want to go and test drive a Merc 200K to see what its like. If BMW and Merc can do it with the same philosophy and tech then there is no reason why it wont work in a Falc.

And lastly, up yours GM :the_finge

Falc'man · 26-07-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I see.

Well, no one has been able to answer my question yet: is the E4 motor alloy block, cast iron or CGI? Answer this question and you'll be able to definitively answer the question of the 4cyl Falcon's weight.

I read somewhere it's CGI; "pound for pound" (in the figurative sense only) is lighter than cast iron.

What excites me about the E4 is the DSG that comes with it. Can you imagine the amount of small rwd car owners on the look out at damaged car auctions for an E4 Falcon?

Nikked · 26-07-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

What excites me about the E4 is the DSG that comes with it. Can you imagine the amount of small rwd car owners on the look out at damaged car auctions for an E4 Falcon?

Escort owners!

It will be a change from Zetec conversions!

Road_Warrior · 26-07-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

I read somewhere it's CGI; "pound for pound" (in the figurative sense only) is lighter than cast iron.

What excites me about the E4 is the DSG that comes with it. Can you imagine the amount of small rwd car owners on the look out at damaged car auctions for an E4 Falcon?

Hmm. So how much does the I6 weigh, without accessories? Could it be said that the I4 will be 1/3rd less weight than the I6?

R-Design · 26-07-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazed

There are no north-south mounted applications of the ecoboost engine at all.....

I was curious about this also, on investigation it appears that many articles discussing the engine imply it will be used in other RWD applications:

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Originally Posted by AutoBlog

We've heard rumors about a four-cylinder EcoBoost under the hood of F-150s, Fusions and Mustangs, too, and in order for Ford to make the new mill cost effective, it has to be fitted to as many models as possible.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/21/f...nder-ecoboost/

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Originally Posted by MotorAuthority

The EcoBoost four-cylinder made news today with its impressive 240hp output from a small 2.0L displacement, raising hopes for enthusiasts everywhere that the engine might see use in a small and sporty hatch or sedan - or possibly even an SVO-type Mustang.

http://www.motorauthority.com/ford-d...ough-2010.html

I guess it's still early days...

**Polyal** · 26-07-2009, 02:06 PM

Off topic but the 4T would make a cracking engine in a new capri that I recall was at a motorshow is concept guise this year.

vztrt · 26-07-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

I can tell you that is not correct, and i'm unsure of the logic and reasoning behind the statement that a mule doesn't exist.

I said this earlier, but apparently it seems the knowing journalists know better. Ford would have been testing a few things before making a decision.

JPFS1 · 26-07-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I said this earlier, but apparently it seems the knowing journalists know better. Ford would have been testing a few things before making a decision.

I've been thinking about those comments in the media and have a fair idea of why he said what he said. Not going to open that discussion here, but it's the only reason I can think of and it's to do with funding.

vztrt · 26-07-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

I've been thinking about those comments in the media and have a fair idea of why he said what he said. Not going to open that discussion here, but it's the only reason I can think of and it's to do with funding.

You could be very correct on your assumption, Focus was to receive SFA if it went ahead.

Falc'man · 26-07-2009, 03:26 PM

I think you're right re funding.

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Off topic but the 4T would make a cracking engine in a new capri that I recall was at a motorshow is concept guise this year.

That would be nice, but that was fwd afaik. A "revo-knuckled" Fiesta with this 2L would pack a mighty punch.

z80 · 26-07-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by whales

This is the start of the front wheel drive falcon just like the camry.
RWD are becoming dinosaurs in the modern world.
it will want to be a great 4 cyl to lug a falcon around at a reasonable pace.

Yep...you are spot on...FWD falcon ain't too far down the line.

Just import the whole drivetrain in one hit from the mother company.

As for the 15-20% fuel economy improvement .

bahhhhh....show me any turbo car that doesn't need premium 98 fuel.

Wooops...there go the savings of running a 4 cyl....

Let's hope the punters dont realize total cost of ownership.

Nikked · 26-07-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Yep...you are spot on...FWD falcon ain't too far down the line.

Just import the whole drivetrain in one hit from the mother company.

As for the 15-20% fuel economy improvement .

bahhhhh....show me any turbo car that doesn't need premium 98 fuel.

Wooops...there go the savings of running a 4 cyl....

Let's hope the punters dont realize total cost of ownership.

Some turbo cars will run fine on normal unleaded or e10 , i know mine does.

Besides, if you looked around for some information you would find that EcoBoost engines have been run on E85 proving that your asumptions wrong.

Wretched · 26-07-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Yep...you are spot on...FWD falcon ain't too far down the line.

Just import the whole drivetrain in one hit from the mother company.

As for the 15-20% fuel economy improvement .

bahhhhh....show me any turbo car that doesn't need premium 98 fuel.

Wooops...there go the savings of running a 4 cyl....

Let's hope the punters dont realize total cost of ownership.

my turbo car doesn't need 98.
you know the bad thing about assumptions? they're the mother of all f-ups.

z80 · 26-07-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

my turbo car doesn't need 98.
you know the bad thing about assumptions? they're the mother of all f-ups.

Okay prove it....show me a NEW car....not a 10 year old saab or volvo...

naddis01 · 26-07-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Okay prove it....show me a NEW car....not a 10 year old saab or volvo...

Umm an XR6 turbo for starters

RG · 26-07-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Okay prove it....show me a NEW car....not a 10 year old saab or volvo...

Most require 95 not 98 mate.

Wretched · 26-07-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Okay prove it....show me a NEW car....not a 10 year old saab or volvo...

XR6T, XR5T, etc.
Happy?

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chevypower · 26-07-2009, 05:25 PM

My parents Volvo C70 T5 is recommended for regular unleaded actually - and were told NOT to run it on premium. Ford has designed the EcoBoost engines to run on regular also.
The skeptics are going to run through every possible argument (all of which are invalid) against this EcoBoost 2.0T engine until they get desperate and start talking about engine sounds. But these haven't been heard yet either. So really, until it is out and people have driven it, it's really hard to use any substantial argument against it.

GT69 · 26-07-2009, 05:30 PM

If its delivering better or equal economy and power of the I6 then whats the problem?

Question, IF a a V6 thats BETTER than the I6 comes along, will people still cling to the straight 6?

**Falcon Coupe** · 26-07-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GT69

Question, IF a a V6 thats BETTER than the I6 comes along, will people still cling to the straight 6?

This thread is already covering three topic's, we don't need that old chestnut in here too, especially when it's only hypothetical.

**Fordman1** · 26-07-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

Okay prove it....show me a NEW car....not a 10 year old saab or volvo...

G6ET

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Bent8 · 26-07-2009, 06:03 PM

I couldn't care less what Ford does with the Falcon...as long as the V8 models stay in production!

Windsor220 · 26-07-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

I couldn't care less what Ford does with the Falcon...as long as the V8 models stay in production!

Thats pretty much it. That and the turbo sixes. Aslong as the other models are selling enough then its all good.

Wally · 26-07-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

G6ET

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WRX, etc

Z80, the ADR 81/01 test is 95 Ron isn't it?

**TUF_302** · 26-07-2009, 06:17 PM

I think its a good move with the TD Terry and the possiblity of exports for both it and the Falcon, im still unsure about a 4cly Falcon though, ill have to get back to you on that one

cosmo20btt · 26-07-2009, 07:12 PM

I think that by making 4cylt falcon it can easily be exported to places like uk & such where the insurance kills anything that is over 2litre

Bossxr8 · 26-07-2009, 08:43 PM

Why do they make the big announcements when i'm off sick. Same thing happened when they announced the I6 was going to live on.

Word had got around at least 6 months ago that Focus was going to cost a hell of a lot more than what they were planning it would. Better to kill it off now rather than lose money on it. If it wasn't for the decision made years ago to drop the I6 for a V6, then no one outside the company would have even known there was going to be an aussie Focus, they only made the announcement to dull the pain of the I6 going. It could have very well been a silent study done and then dropped with the public none the wiser.

Hopefully this means the extra capacity the Focus was going to take has now been allocated to an export program for Falcon or Territory. There is something going on now in North America that could be a winner, but its too secret to go beyond the walls of head office and no ones talking, so we'll just have to see wether it eventuates into anything.

The turbo 4 apparently drives real well, it will definately keep up with the I6 and use less fuel doing it. Makes peak torque at 1500rpm too, so it won't lack low down grunt.

The diesel V6 for Territory will be probably be released around the same time as the all new Territory. Ironic announcement of this on Friday for me as on Saturday a saw a few mules getting around in convoy north of Melbourne. We stopped at a lookout and one pulled up behind us. Heard the diesel rattle and my dad went and had a chat to the driver. Fuel economy is in the 9's and by the time they finish with it they are aiming to get economy into the 8's, which will be pretty good.

The LI LPG setup is top notch, it looks like a very neat install. It will be the first time a straight LPG setup has been used with LI. All other systems have been dual fuel with petrol used on start up. This system won't do that.

The future of the I6 seems to be bright, wait to see what the future brings, I think Marin has a plan for it, Euro 5 should be no obstacle.

XR6_190 · 26-07-2009, 09:08 PM

Good news this methinks. Honestly anybody who thinks that this means Falcon will go downhill with this, should probably open their eyes. A well engineered 2.0L turbo 4cyl can make plenty of power and torque, just take a look at anything with an EVO badge on it for starters.

As for the I6 and RWD, from what I can remember reading on this very forum in the last 12 months, FoA have committed to both RWD and I6 for at least the next 6 years, so I don't think that is a problem. If anything, this will probably keep Falcon as we know it alive for a lot longer, as it will open up the doors for a lot more sales and possible export markets.

Finally, I can't believe anybody here that calls themselves a Ford fan can seriously believe that it will be a dud, after all, Ford have a great track record in recent years in releasing brilliant top of the class cars (think about it, BA, Focus, Territory, Mondeo, FG, Fiesta, all widely considered TOP of their class), why would that change now?

naddis01 · 26-07-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The LI LPG setup is top notch, it looks like a very neat install. It will be the first time a straight LPG setup has been used with LI. All other systems have been dual fuel with petrol used on start up. This system won't do that.

Is this correct? It will good if it is. Everything else has been pointing to a dual fuel system.

**Fordman1** · 26-07-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Is this correct? It will good if it is. Everything else has been pointing to a dual fuel system.

I'm hearing Single Fuel LI LPG

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