Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[mcnews]

As if anything Toyota Australia want in this car will matter one iota in the major scheme of things. We are a big market for Hilux/Cruiser, so they will tailor that for us, but other than them nothing Toyota Australia would ask for in any other model would be even considered by lower middle management let alone at the level that actual decisions are made.

[IceValk85]

hahahaah shonkymofo, hes a good mate of mine, and his attempts were on hard as rock toyo street tyres. but still, 15.5 with .8 reactions was the best he could do (even with the rear tray open lol)

if you managed 14.1ish lets face it, thats 1.6 seconds faster than the ft86, and you have twice the displacement with the BOSS and shatloads more torque lol.

Ice

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by mcnews

As if anything Toyota Australia want in this car will matter one iota in the major scheme of things. We are a big market for Hilux/Cruiser, so they will tailor that for us, but other than them nothing Toyota Australia would ask for in any other model would be even considered by lower middle management let alone at the level that actual decisions are made.

I'd wager they sell far more Corollas, Camrys, and Aurions than they do Hiluxes and Cruisers...
The '86 is a completely new type of car for them...or at least a re-jigging of something they left behind long ago. You can't compare it to anything in their range now, so they probably don't know what to expect of it.
As underpowered and torqueless as the later Celicas were, as well as the AE86, they sold in huge numbers.

[mcnews]

But Aussie sales of those models are virtually inconsequential in global terms and thus what Aussies want HQ couldn't care less. While in global terms we are an important player in Hilux/Cruiser. Maybe I didn't make that point clear enough. As in globally Aussie sales of the 86 will be minute compared to other much larger markets, thus our opinion doesn't really matter much.

[Shonky.]

the curse of living in a small market........sigh

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Yes mike, the Focus RS is real rubbish hey? Lol

Like I said, I don't care if it's the holy grail of motoring, I dont like or want FWD, simple as that.

As DJM83 mentioned earlier, No matter how good auto boxes are these days, he likes manual.

Seems like some people can't grasp the concept that others prefer a different drive type or transmission than they do.

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by mcnews

But Aussie sales of those models are virtually inconsequential in global terms and thus what Aussies want HQ couldn't care less. While in global terms we are an important player in Hilux/Cruiser. Maybe I didn't make that point clear enough. As in globally Aussie sales of the 86 will be minute compared to other much larger markets, thus our opinion doesn't really matter much.

There's a degree of truth in this which can be seen in the evidence of Hilux getting upgrades for 5 star ancap rating to suit our mining buyers.

But what would Australia want? They will sell each and every one of these cars for the first 2 years easily - and that number isn't as big as you'd think - about 4000 odd in the first two years.

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Like I said, I don't care if it's the holy grail of motoring, I dont like or want FWD, simple as that.

As DJM83 mentioned earlier, No matter how good auto boxes are these days, he likes manual.

Seems like some people can't grasp the concept that others prefer a different drive type or transmission than they do.

In all seriousness though, have you driven an RS Focus? I haven't. I've driven an XR5 Turbo and let me tell you, it's easy to be converted once you actually experience something.

And if you have.. well, you're just a killjoy and can't appreciate the good things in life.

[Shonky.]

yeah, Toyota have got it right with the 86 (just not for what I would like)

And as per above they make big money on Hilux/Cruiser and nothing on Corolla, Camry base etc

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by SCUD

In all seriousness though, have you driven an RS Focus? I haven't. I've driven an XR5 Turbo and let me tell you, it's easy to be converted once you actually experience something.

And if you have.. well, you're just a killjoy and can't appreciate the good things in life.

XR5T is quite impressive for a front driver, heaps of room in the front, feels wider than a Falcon inside and much smarter design wise. Sounds damn good when you are up it too. I would have purchased one if it drove from the right end.

Likewise Focus RS, although I haven't had the pleasure of driving one, they look pretty horn and tasty inside. Althoug the orange peel effect on the paint on the ones I have seen makes Aussie finished Fords look good, was diabolical paint finish. They must have sent their seconds down under... Still I might have bought one of those, if they were RWD :-)

[MITCHAY]

I like to see it as a cheap way to get a good foundation to start with. You save on initial cost and get a decent performing car.

As you get more money and more experience you can add more. I'm pretty sure the aftermarket will be massive for this car.

[Bossxr8]

What an absolute cop out, basically saying we made the car nowhere near as good as it can be, but we'll leave it up to the owners to fix it.

And thats supposed to be a positive.

Maybe Ford should start using this philosphy to explain why equipment levels in Falcon aren't as high as they could be. Its up to the owners to fix it.

[Poetic Justice]

Uh what?

You put the things in it you want and you price it 10+k dearer.

They always wanted a project car type feel to it. How do you not understand that?

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by IceValk85

hahahaah shonkymofo, hes a good mate of mine, and his attempts were on hard as rock toyo street tyres. but still, 15.5 with .8 reactions was the best he could do (even with the rear tray open lol)

if you managed 14.1ish lets face it, thats 1.6 seconds faster than the ft86, and you have twice the displacement with the BOSS and shatloads more torque lol.

Ice

Reaction time does not affect ET.

I know, it's a big donk, I wouldn't compare it to the 2.0

But you did. And not fairly. Ricer behaviour. Don't do it

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What an absolute cop out, basically saying we made the car nowhere near as good as it can be, but we'll leave it up to the owners to fix it.

And thats supposed to be a positive.

Maybe Ford should start using this philosphy to explain why equipment levels in Falcon aren't as high as they could be. Its up to the owners to fix it.

They have focused on handling and a big part of that is in the chassis something that is harder to make better after the fact where as extra power will be relatively easy. It's a compromise in a $30k car.

Coilovers and whatever misc suspension components only achieve so much but in this case will make it even better.

Lol no shortage of complaints on this forum about the Falcon and it's shortcomings either.

[69Mach1]

Actually it's great there seems to be lots of folk that don't get the 86/BRZ, why try to spell it out for them; if nothing else it's a bunch less customers in the queue to buy one.....

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What an absolute cop out, basically saying we made the car nowhere near as good as it can be, but we'll leave it up to the owners to fix it.

And thats supposed to be a positive.

Maybe Ford should start using this philosphy to explain why equipment levels in Falcon aren't as high as they could be. Its up to the owners to fix it.

Do you really think Subaru and Toyota would deliberately release an engine in this that didnt atleast meet some kind of bench mark. Once going according to all media reports it can keep a Cayman honest..for $30k!

[Poetic Justice]

I think Lexus LFA would tell you that Toyota know how to produce a good performance vehicle, 86 was not going down that path.

Let's see if the Supra now gets revived. I bet it will.

[Chopped]

And here is one that has been "upgraded" with a V8 from the IS F (Lexus).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUPCwolLrsY
(sounds nice!)

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by SCUD

In all seriousness though, have you driven an RS Focus? I haven't. I've driven an XR5 Turbo and let me tell you, it's easy to be converted once you actually experience something.

And if you have.. well, you're just a killjoy and can't appreciate the good things in life.

Was the same with me, anti FWD until i drove and owned one.

[flappist]

The TOP TEN reasons why the Toyota FT86 is being maligned on AFF

10) It is not a Ford so peer pressure and xenophobia override logic and reasoning.

9) It is a lightweight RWD 4 seat coupe at an affordable price which is exactly what many have cried out for over the last ten years but it comes from the same company as the Camry which is therefore not compatable with tribal prejudices.

8) It is a Toyota and will probably have fairly high resale value so will take a lot longer to be on ebay.

7) It can't carry a family of 5 with luggage for a 6 week holiday despite you being single and spending your holidays at your home because it is free and mum makes your meals wand washes your clothes.

6) It can't tow a caravan, boat or horse float despite you not actually owning a caravan, boat or horse float.

5) It does not have stripes or decals.

4) It does not run on LPG.

3) It has GT in the name and is just resting the former glory of its predecessor to gain credibility.......oh wait a minite.....

2) There will not be any available in 12 months at half price from the government auctions.

And the NUMBER ONE reason why the Toyota FT86 is being maligned on AFF

1) Even at mid 14s it is STILL quicker than your car over the quarter mile.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Do you really think Subaru and Toyota would deliberately release an engine in this that didnt atleast meet some kind of bench mark. Once going according to all media reports it can keep a Cayman honest..for $30k!

"All" media reports? I think not. Only according to Wheels...
I wouldn't waste 10c on the mag let alone time reading it anymore...

[Tribal]

I wonder what people would be saying if the FT86 wore a ford badge and was powered by an ecoboost engine...

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

"All" media reports? I think not. Only according to Wheels...
I wouldn't waste 10c on the mag let alone time reading it anymore...

It is true I was stuck at the airport and had nothing better to read, but still, the point is a $30k toyota keeps a $100k+ Porsche within its sights.

So is the Porsche over three times better with its driving dynamics?

People here love to compare FPV power outputs to that of the really good Euro's (AMG, M et al), bang on about how they are good value for money with regards to performance but cant transmit the same theory to this car....

[Fiesta_Man69]

According to EVO an MX5 flogs it, let alone a Megane, Focus ST, Gti etc. let alone a Cayman. That said EVO (and every other mag but Wheels) thought the Honda hybrid was average at best: it got Wheels COTY...

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Tribal

I wonder what people would be saying if the FT86 wore a ford badge and was powered by an ecoboost engine...

Badge doesn't matter.

But if it had the Falcons EB it would be a much better car: the EB would solve the power but especially the torque deficeit problems: 180kW and torque would be awesome, a modern S15 even..

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

According to EVO an MX5 flogs it, let alone a Megane, Focus ST, Gti etc. let alone a Cayman. That said EVO (and every other mag but Wheels) thought the Honda hybrid was average at best: it got Wheels COTY...

Ok I cant take this anymore, which part of this car is not in the same league as a hot hatch dont you understand? You wouldnt compare the beloved S15 with them would you.

The Honda is a good car and won CAR of the year, not performance car of the year. OT anyway.

It seems you think you know more than Subaru, Toyota and who was that other manufacturer...

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11331515

Oh and Ford. Im done.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Ok I cant take this anymore, which part of this car is not in the same league as a hot hatch dont you understand? You wouldnt compare the beloved S15 with them would you.

The Honda is a good car and won CAR of the year, not performance car of the year. OT anyway.

It seems you think you know more than Subaru, Toyota and who was that other manufacturer...

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11331515

Oh and Ford. Im done.

I didn't realise the MX5 was a hot hatch.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by flappist

The TOP TEN reasons why the Toyota FT86 is being maligned on AFF

10) It is not a Ford so peer pressure and xenophobia override logic and reasoning.

9) It is a lightweight RWD 4 seat coupe at an affordable price which is exactly what many have cried out for over the last ten years but it comes from the same company as the Camry which is therefore not compatable with tribal prejudices.

8) It is a Toyota and will probably have fairly high resale value so will take a lot longer to be on ebay.

7) It can't carry a family of 5 with luggage for a 6 week holiday despite you being single and spending your holidays at your home because it is free and mum makes your meals wand washes your clothes.

6) It can't tow a caravan, boat or horse float despite you not actually owning a caravan, boat or horse float.

5) It does not have stripes or decals.

4) It does not run on LPG.

3) It has GT in the name and is just resting the former glory of its predecessor to gain credibility.......oh wait a minite.....

2) There will not be any available in 12 months at half price from the government auctions.

And the NUMBER ONE reason why the Toyota FT86 is being maligned on AFF

1) Even at mid 14s it is STILL quicker than your car over the quarter mile.

I just get sick of reading ridiculous claims about it.

86 looks set to be a good car, but seriously stuff like this

Originally Posted by Polyal

Once going according to all media reports it can keep a Cayman honest..for $30k!

Ok, the GT335 is almost as good as the E63

Do you now feel compelled to jump in and tell me to get my hand off it?

rightfully so too

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by SCUD

Let's see if the Supra now gets revived. I bet it will.

I certainly hope so. The dynamics of this thing, with an inline six under the bonnet? I'm getting excited just thinking about the possibility.