Australia - China - Poltics

[MITCHAY]

Whatever the situation I think it is our CCP masters who won't talk.

They are starting to get their hooks into PNG. PNG need to understand they can't play both sides of the fence. They are free to do whatever they want, but getting in bed with the CCP is a bad idea for both of us,

Whatever they are dressing it up as, it is a cover for PLAN port and this is very concerning for Australia if not PNG.

Our new OPV are no joke. Much bigger, 40mm cannon and a helo. Not to mention with F-35 and Super Hornets on tap close by.

If they want to venture into our EEZ then they need to know we will blow them out of the water Russia style. It ain't no SCS here.

[Mr_G6ET]

A chinese owned airport gone into liquidation.

Bonus 'win' for W.A due to Covid. Lets hope the Govt. does not **** it up twice.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...ation/13020052

[Mr_G6ET]

I think seize the opportunity and don't go back to normal. Lets negotiate

https://www.news.com.au/national/pol...7433e3685bc751

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

I think seize the opportunity and don't go back to normal. Lets negotiate

https://www.news.com.au/national/pol...7433e3685bc751

Yep. As long as Australia bends over and takes it up the ****, they want it to go back to normal. They don't want to conceed anything. Get ****ed

If they want to get back to normal they would let the ships unload their cargo as a first step in good faith so these poor bastards can go back home.

I was wondering about why these boats keep hanging around but it seems that maritime law is a blocker and the fact the boats are foreign owned.

[oldel]

I seriously can't understand people who can read those comments made by the Chinese as anything other than "bend over". Rudd and whoever can shut up.
Chinese guy says:
"we would welcome efforts by all who want the relations to improve to make some efforts", and “If Australia sees China not as a threat, but a partner, then for the issues between us there are better chances that we find solutions. So I would kick the ball to Australia,"

In other words it's them putting the onus onto Australia to bend over.

quote from the article: But an expert said the Chinese foreign minister’s comments should not be “over-interpreted” as a positive signal.

“They are at best mild and conditional,” ANU National Security Colleges head Rory Medcalf told the paper.

They don't need an expert to tell them that, it's obvious even to a dummy like me. It's over, the affair is finished, time to either play hardball, or play the game like they do and quell dissent. The damage is done now and there should be no appeasement from pollies and citizens. Batten down the hatches, this will be a painful ride. Do not give in to them because we will lose respect. I'd have 5eyes on speed dial, Canada is suffering too, and the rest of the dummies in 5e are stuffing up their trade as well. A unified front and resilience is required.

Manufacturers need to pull out of China and the major western countries need to make it happen. When you have recessions building your way out of it with infrastructure has always worked, now is the time to invest in fab and manufacturing. No tarriffs on imports to hurt consumers, but high company tax on corps that exclusively get everything done in China.

[MITCHAY]

It's called the five eyes but in reality it is the three eyes. US, UK and AUS are the only ones doing anything.

The Quad is looking like a thing now and can see a lot of the South Asian countries getting involved especially since the CCP insist on being ****s.

[Bossxr8]

I wish kevin rudd would just stfu. He’s a chinese polesmoker, especially since his daughter married a chinese man. He would sell our souls to please them.

[MITCHAY]

Huawei is trying to get into the future 6G network with Australia which to their credit is really putting in the work.

Rather than get sour on why they were banned from the 5G roll out, they are trying to address our concerns which is great.

The problem is as long as they are are seen to be a bitch to the CCP then this is unacceptable.

In other news our pledges to provide Covid vaccine to the pacific islands seem to have bought us some good will and filled the gap because the CCP have gone missing. A tactical mistake from the CCP.

But it is only worth anything if we deliver on that commitment. And we must do that.

[Mr_G6ET]

Beijing’s growing record of ‘debt-trap diplomacy’, ‘wolf-warrior diplomacy’, ‘coercion diplomacy’ and economic and intellectual espionage is being met with increasing resistance

Cool, I read that the brick and belt stuff isn't progressing as expected

[ad2013]

Look, China is having a change of heart! They want an open global economy!?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...davos/13090730

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by ad2013

Look, China is having a change of heart! They want an open global economy!?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-...davos/13090730

2 faced snakes. And they want everyone else to remove tariffs because it suits them, coming from such a low cost base.

[CyberWasp]

They should have backed up the coal ships to be unloaded whilst he was giving the speech.

[MITCHAY]

So NZ have signed an "upgraded FTA" with the CCP which they are free to do what they want. But given our experience they should know as soon as you step out of line they punish you.

What annoys me is for a long time the Kiwis have no problems grandstanding on topics where they feel morally superior and putting their "allies" on blast every chance they get but they keep any criticism about CCP behind closed doors which means **** all.

Then their trade minister comes out saying we should show some respect and follow them all in their diplomacy.

I would have thought that in and of itself that is bad diplomacy. No NZ has not stuck with it's allies to even sign their name to CCP being **** ****s on Hong Kong and the rest.

It is well known that the CCP is trying to drive a wedge between AU and US alliance and now this could be another vector splitting AU and NZ.

[Bossxr8]

What do you expect when your PM is a woke virtue signaller?

[Pis-ton broke]

its very disappointing about nz, i'm shore most kiwi aren't impressed with ardern, and some jelly back pollies. i heard the other day that nz is a socialist government, is this true?

[oldel]

LOL, I wouldn't go that far, jeez it's tiring seeing groupthink from the right with buzz words to make empty points.

They'll just argue it's best for NZ and they always do what's best for NZ. Short term gains with China is just a tool they use to wedge apart alliances - they've done that all through the pacific and NZ are dumb if they fall for it and see short term favourability.
But I guess NZ see a new opportunity being the the new best friend and thinking they could profit from it. Short term thinking, dumb and it will bite them.

China deserve condemnation for their two faced hypocrisy (Trunmp stated trade wars and now China figures if they did it then China can and that's what started all this).

We're stuck against them now and at least the 5 countries in alliance should be united if they want the alliance to stand for long term security in a world that China wants to dominate.

[five 7]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

its very disappointing about nz, i'm shore most kiwi aren't impressed with ardern, and some jelly back pollies. i heard the other day that nz is a socialist government, is this true?

I'm not a fan of them and yes on the last statement.

[FTE217]

NZ sold their soul long before this agreement, worse than us.
Good luck to them, ironically they pushed the "green" barrow long long ago yet align with CCP, its all about the money as always despite shooting themselves in the foot or putting soap in their mouths.....and typically wish to pass on advise to us on the CCP's behalf lol turn it up.

[Bossxr8]

CCP "outraged" at the UK for giving special visas, and potential citizenship to HK'ers.

They really are a pack of cry babies. They are the ones breaking the handover agreement that promised sovereignty for Hong Kong for 50 years.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-h...-idUSKBN29Y0Q1

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

its very disappointing about nz, i'm shore most kiwi aren't impressed with ardern, and some jelly back pollies. i heard the other day that nz is a socialist government, is this true?

Speaking when she was the president of the international union of socialist youth.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

CCP "outraged" at the UK for giving special visas, and potential citizenship to HK'ers.

They really are a pack of cry babies. They are the ones breaking the handover agreement that promised sovereignty for Hong Kong for 50 years.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-h...-idUSKBN29Y0Q1

Reading the other stuff going on re: Taiwan, its a hot subject.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by smoo

Speaking when she was the president of the international union of socialist youth.

i got in 17 seconds and that was enough for me, its a ****in disgrace! what a sell out of the kiwi nation.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Reading the other stuff going on re: Taiwan, its a hot subject.

i'd call that the understatement of the year. do your research my friend , cause msm isn't covering the facts.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i'd call that the understatement of the year. do your research my friend , cause msm isn't covering the facts.

Thanks for the advice, but that's why I said it was a hot topic

[oldel]

I'm a lefty socialist and by the values of Australia (healthcare, jobkeeper and job seeker) this nation is too - even though both Australia and NZ is a constitutional monarchy and the queen/CG can sack a PM if they're full on communist.
Even a person such as myself can be wary of China and their motives, it's got nothing to do with if you are brainwashed and USA told you socialism is bad

People afraid of socialism don't understand how socialist our countries already are and the history of socialism. Before that you were born on the monarchs or lords land and had to serve them, could never own land, could never leave the land without permission, was born into a job so bad luck if you were a peasant.
Would you rather live under absolute rule of a lord, king or queen? Would you rather everything be privatised capitalist user pays, like water delivered by the bottle and every road a toll road, every school priced out of your affordability? Police only come if you paid a subscription, firies only if you pay up front; and no such thing as vollies because that sounds too socialist?

If you say LOL I use private sources when you can and pay taxes for the rest you do realize under the monarchy prior to socialist movement when born a peasant you had to pay taxes too, only difference is you got nothing for your taxes prior to soclialism!

E: Socialism to me is the lower classes get freedom and basic rights. Where taxes collected benefit the people and nation at large. The enemy is the corporations, capitalist etc that take western jobs and move production to China which strengthens and enriches China. Those western corporations are chasing higher profits by manufacturing in China, giving tech to Shenzhen and power to China.
Why would a western socialist like that?

[au350hp]

I completely despise that todays politicians sell OUR utilities and subcontract out anything of magnitude. They are only interested in financial return of investment and do not commit to real hands on long term change such as Australian manufacturing. In September 2016 the New South Wales Government instead accepted a bid from an Australian-based consortium of Australian Super and IFM Investors, for a sum of $16 billion. I do not recall being asked if I wanted my basic rights to be sold to the highest bidder? Who decides where that money goes? The same people that ordered trains and ferries that don't fit through tunnels and bridges. The next thing to go will be Medicare and the Aged Pension. This is what happens when public servants are paid ridiculous salaries with pensions and entitlements all paid for by us. They lose touch with the rest of Australia as the gap between the poor & rich widens.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by oldel

I'm a lefty socialist and by the values of Australia (healthcare, jobkeeper and job seeker) this nation is too - even though both Australia and NZ is a constitutional monarchy and the queen/CG can sack a PM if they're full on communist.
Even a person such as myself can be wary of China and their motives, it's got nothing to do with if you are brainwashed and USA told you socialism is bad

People afraid of socialism don't understand how socialist our countries already are and the history of socialism. Before that you were born on the monarchs or lords land and had to serve them, could never own land, could never leave the land without permission, was born into a job so bad luck if you were a peasant.
Would you rather live under absolute rule of a lord, king or queen? Would you rather everything be privatised capitalist user pays, like water delivered by the bottle and every road a toll road, every school priced out of your affordability? Police only come if you paid a subscription, firies only if you pay up front; and no such thing as vollies because that sounds too socialist?

If you say LOL I use private sources when you can and pay taxes for the rest you do realize under the monarchy prior to socialist movement when born a peasant you had to pay taxes too, only difference is you got nothing for your taxes prior to soclialism!

E: Socialism to me is the lower classes get freedom and basic rights. Where taxes collected benefit the people and nation at large. The enemy is the corporations, capitalist etc that take western jobs and move production to China which strengthens and enriches China. Those western corporations are chasing higher profits by manufacturing in China, giving tech to Shenzhen and power to China.
Why would a western socialist like that?

Meh you can have your socialism, kings and Queens long gone and I will have my capitalism which works for me.
If you think corporations are the enemy think again socialism lacks motivation and less rewards.
Each to their own.

[FTE217]

so to cut it short oldel, are you saying were better to end up being under commi rule ?
or as per below
Both socialism and communism place great value on creating a more equal society and removal of class privilege. The main difference is that socialism is compatible with democracy and liberty, whereas Communism involves creating an 'equal society' through an authoritarian state, which denies basic liberties.

Hum, having welfare as we have set up (negatives positives of the systems) doesn't make us as "socialists" in my train of thought but your entitled to your opinion.
I see it that our past Govs looked to help out ALL citizens and those in real need thanks to our tax payer system.
I see this as smart politics and humane at the same time for when you compare countries that have nothing like us look at the state they are in, thats Socialism and Communism.....the Gov and fat cats are a ok and below have to watch their backs every day.
I'm a high paying tax payer, the only gripe I have in the big picture is the "rorters" of our system be it corporations or Joe Bloggs in your street.
Overall us "tax payers" are doing ok here in the big picture under the circumstances.
You do have a choice though - move OS somewhere that suits your "values".

[oldel]

Originally Posted by FTE217

so to cut it short oldel, are you saying were better to end up being under commi rule ?
You do have a choice though - move OS somewhere that suits your "values".

Where did I say I'm a communist? Why would I support a communist state when they always end up dictatorships?

Problem with you lot is you relate the two all the time.
You have a choice, plenty of places to live in with less socialism that you could move to. I like it here and don't bow to nth degree capitalism you'd get if you removed all government oversight, protections, infrastructure etc.

Government regulations prevent capitalism running out of control, so a balance with socialism is good, so socialism is not a evil word IMO.

Without government intervention you'd all be out of a job, if everything was privatised capitalism to the nth degree where's the profit in a defence force anyway? Plus many jobs moved overseas and say hello to your new king Xi Jinping because China has a cheap labour force and lots of cheap goods that capitalists just love.

[PhilT2]

The people in this vid would love to return to communist rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnDxHTaeNX0&t=438s

Maybe these would be willing to give it a try, how much worse could it get?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG0nqRXLDOg

Makes me appreciate what we've got.