Ambitious China

[FTE217]

the image won't be bothered bringing up by other countries, its the CCP's stratergies.

Holding off Track Car, get it while you can before we're living off bread and water or rice and tea.
Less is more people keep saying and equality for all

[Loonar]

Interesting listening to the Qld. country hour before (ABC), Ian McFarlane (ex Fed Minister, now CEO Qld Resources Council) spruiking that China will still need Metalurgical Coal, Minerals, Gas and of course Iron Ore..

( His words ) So, everyone just needs to stay calm..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loonar

Interesting listening to the Qld. country hour before (ABC), Ian McFarlane (ex Fed Minister, now CEO Qld Resources Council) spruiking that China will still need Metalurgical Coal, Minerals, Gas and of course Iron Ore..

( His words ) So, everyone just needs to stay calm..

Yep, all the Wineries can now move into Coal and Iron ore

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Yep, all the Wineries can now move into Coal and Iron ore

Not that thats a touchy subject in the Hunter!

So we will have cheap wine and lobsters this Christmas?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Not that thats a touchy subject in the Hunter!

So we will have cheap wine and lobsters this Christmas?

I just heard a place in Melb you can get whole lobsters for ~$50. 2 for $70. Will be checking it out tomorrow

Regarding coal, China and Indonesia just signed a "non binding" agreement over the next 3 years. That's for thermal coal. So we can probably kiss that goodbye.
Coking coal they can source internally and through Russia, or even the USA. Australia was favourable due to quality and location, in comparison to USA.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Imagine how much the CCP stooges would flip out if we posted this on twitter. They spent the last 3 decades denying it even happened.

Last I checked, the guy that posted the original tweet has had his twitter flooded with these images, some a lot worse, as a reply to that tweet. Then on the flip side you have people from unfriendly parts of the world replying with other images and accounts. Tit for tat, I see you, I raise you one - no one wins out of this.

[Citroënbender]

…More or less as expected, our PM has been trolled by experts - his principal response on WeChat being smartly blocked.

[Trevor 57]

he must have known that would happen, how many read it first

[MITCHAY]

I do have to laugh how many around the world are acting as if China is doing a great duty of exposing our war crimes and holding us to account

The story was broken a long time ago and a years long enquiry has taken place with a report that has been made public. It's not hidden, it has been well publicized all over.

They have been referred for possible prosecution where they may or may not be trialed and convicted. This is going to take many years.

The CCP still deny they do anything wrong

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I do have to laugh how many around the world are acting as if China is doing a great duty of exposing our war crimes and holding us to account
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Link?

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Link?

No specific link its just various social media and news comments. It would appear the CCP have hit the mark with spreading it around the world

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

No specific link its just various social media and news comments. It would appear the CCP have hit the mark with spreading it around the world

Its going to be interesting to see who sides with who...Russia seem to just want to be a PIA to everyone.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Its going to be interesting to see who sides with who...Russia seem to just want to be a PIA to everyone.

Russia is ****ed off with us over MH17 so they have their own grudges.

[Polyal]

Annnnnnnnnd here we go;

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...a49328d47c4305

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...a-in-china-row

Man this is going to be painful in the short term.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

No specific link its just various social media and news comments. It would appear the CCP have hit the mark with spreading it around the world

A few examples would be nice.

But on the plus side, it seems 'the world' is getting tired of China's tactics.

United States Ambassador Arthur Culvahouse Jr accuses China of spreading misinformation over Afghan soldier image
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...image/12942856

And.

After China's tariffs on Australian wine, global campaign calls for people to drink a 'bottle or two'
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...ector/12941152

[Polyal]

So something that I have thought of lately, and is of interesting to me as I work in dirty coal. My company currently sells to Japan and South Korea, thankfully not much to China.

In a meeting some 6 months ago we had been informed that the market for coal is going to go through some changes as Russia has apparently heavily upgraded their rail network so they can rail coal to guess who...interesting times.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Annnnnnnnnd here we go;

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...a49328d47c4305

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...a-in-china-row

Man this is going to be painful in the short term.

told you they will come.....and even the mention of the issue that some here say reaction was OTT.
I also said, no pain no gain.
Just wish Pauline would STFU if were talking about the need of cordial diplomacy
For hoots we should assign her to deal with the Ruskies as liason officer.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by FTE217

told you they will come.....and even the mention of the issue that some here say reaction was OTT.
I also said, no pain no gain.
Just wish Pauline would STFU if were talking about the need of cordial diplomacy
For hoots we should assign her to deal with the Ruskies as liason officer.

I didnt want to doubt it but the reaction time was slow, but thats how diplomacy works with sensitive issues, running you mouth quickly doesn't help.

Why is Pauline still in politics?

Just on that, lets see of the talk becomes action of any type from us and the "Allies".

#command&conquerflashbacks

[FTE217]

Polyal, can't agree with your top sentence, would you actually think our issue with the CCP goes to the top of our Allies pile before the countless other priorities they have in their own covid poop and more ?
Now IF it was going to WAR or something as severe everything else would be dropped I'm sure but not how you express as such.

PH still in ? a number of reasons but I do not wish to offend some with my assumptions. Some of her POV's are valid in simpletem terms but we know its not as

Looking forward how this bumpy but important ride pans out.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Russia is ****ed off with us over MH17 so they have their own grudges.

I think Russia will side with whoever can pull them out of their economic woes. And considering it was "the west" that imposed various sanctions, its hard to see them being on "the west" side. I think they will be on their own, and will use China where they can. China and Russia's trade in NON USD hit a record high in 2019. Funny thing is, EU is following suit. They are all shifting to their own currencies. It won't be long till USD is no longer just the standard to use, in which time, sanctions won't be as effective anymore.

Originally Posted by GasoLane

But on the plus side, it seems 'the world' is getting tired of China's tactics.

The propaganda war is not targeting the western "world", its not targeting you or me, its targeting the likes of Middle east, Africa and Asia Pacific. These are regions which traditionally have some form of distrust of "the west" and they are using it as leverage. The "drink wine to support Australia" motion, in some parts of the world its being sold as "the west toasting to Afghan war crimes", even though the two are completely unrelated. Did people miss the news from The Guardian? The timing of the story and footage is mind boggling.

Unfortunately Australia is smack bang in Asia Pacific, and thats where we should be focusing. Note, China and PNG just signed a fishery deal. This COULD allow chinese vessels to start fishing right next door to us in the future. China and Indonesia just signed some sort of mega copper port deal, there is talks Indonesia may eventually allow China to have boots on the ground. China and Japan just agreed to reduce trade tariffs, this is despite Japan being one of the staunchest allies of the US, with large numbers of US troops based on their soil. How the heck did they manage that? If Japan can do it, why can't we?

At some stage you gotta ask how we got into this mess, and more importantly, how do we get out of it. But is seems broaching anywhere near this topic means you might be on the "wrong side", so around and around we go.

[T3rminator]

Getting off the tweet and tariffs for a second....

OECD predicts Asia to lead economic world in 2021
https://www.theceomagazine.com/busin...esia-gdp-2021/

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Polyal, can't agree with your top sentence, would you actually think our issue with the CCP goes to the top of our Allies pile before the countless other priorities they have in their own covid poop and more ?
Now IF it was going to WAR or something as severe everything else would be dropped I'm sure but not how you express as such.

PH still in ? a number of reasons but I do not wish to offend some with my assumptions. Some of her POV's are valid in simpletem terms but we know its not as

Looking forward how this bumpy but important ride pans out.

Pretty sure we just agreed

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The propaganda war is not targeting the western "world", its not targeting you or me, its targeting the likes of Middle east, Africa and Asia Pacific. These are regions which traditionally have some form of distrust of "the west" and they are using it as leverage. The "drink wine to support Australia" motion, in some parts of the world its being sold as "the west toasting to Afghan war crimes", even though the two are completely unrelated. Did people miss the news from The Guardian? The timing of the story and footage is mind boggling.

Did you actually read any of the article?

As for the (Australian) Guardian, that was given a big kick along by Malcolm Turnbull in 2013 (election year), so I've never bothered reading it.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Did you actually read any of the article?

As for the (Australian) Guardian, that was given a big kick along by Malcolm Turnbull in 2013 (election year), so I've never bothered reading it.

Yes I did, but I speed read it cos I have work to do I was just saying that the propaganda going around the internet (not the article!) changed the narrative on the intent of that "drink wine to support Australia" motion, and that is what we are up against.
This motion happened, on about the same day as the article that came out of the Guardian, which was not good timing....because they seemed very similar. For your benefit I won't post the article.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Yes I did, but I speed read it cos I have work to do I was just saying that the propaganda going around the internet (not the article!) changed the narrative on the intent of that "drink wine to support Australia" motion, and that is what we are up against.
This motion happened, on about the same day as the article that came out of the Guardian, which was not good timing....because they seemed very similar. For your benefit I won't post the article.

I'll return the favour so you don't have to speed read it again.

It's not just us that China is finding pushing back.

Florida's Representive Ted Yoho https://twitter.com/RepTedYoho/statu...tor%2F12941152

Miriam Lexmann — a Slovakian member of the European Parliament — invited people to "stand against Xi Jinping's authoritarian bullying".

Swedish councillor Elisabet Lann implored people to "let the Chinese Communist Party know we will not be bullied" by drinking a "bottle or two of Australian wine".

Then there's Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China.https://twitter.com/ipacglobal

Which includes various politico's (in the vid) from

The USA.
The Europeon Parliment.
Germany.
The UK.
Japan.
Sweden.
Canada.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

I'll return the favour so you don't have to speed read it again.

It's not just us that China is finding pushing back.

Florida's Representive Ted Yoho https://twitter.com/RepTedYoho/statu...tor%2F12941152

Miriam Lexmann — a Slovakian member of the European Parliament — invited people to "stand against Xi Jinping's authoritarian bullying".

Swedish councillor Elisabet Lann implored people to "let the Chinese Communist Party know we will not be bullied" by drinking a "bottle or two of Australian wine".

Then there's Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China.https://twitter.com/ipacglobal

Which includes various politico's (in the vid) from

The USA.
The Europeon Parliment.
Germany.
The UK.
Japan.
Sweden.
Canada.

Thanks. I get ya now. Push back from 5 eyes and Quad like nations won't bother them. IPA is a nice move, but its 200 MPs forming an group that has not been state sanctioned.

Sorry, I know these are nice gestures, it makes us feel warm and fuzzy, but will it hurt them? We need something stronger if you want to make a difference.

How about Biden and Boris making a brief statement? Even a statement from Merkel would embarrass them. I'm sorry, if it has caused so much grief for us, it deserves at least some recognition from heads of our closest allies, not through their deputies. I reckon Trump would have said something if he wasn't in such a predicament.

A real punch in the face would be push backs from countries in ASEAN or even one or two in the middle east, saying "we do not condone what you have done, we appreciate what Australia has done to address this issue" (in reference to the tweet, of course they have no interest in the trade war bullying).

Just my view, as unpopular as it may be. I'll be quiet now.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Russia is ****ed off with us over MH17 so they have their own grudges.

Anyone who fly's directly over a war zone is a total moron. it's best to keep that in mind.

If the war was lets say in Brisbane, flights were flying over Gold Coast and the Sunshine Coast but one clown flew directly over Brisbane say, that's some what like what was the situation I believe.

Hey anyone want to fly over a war Zone, yes ! hey a free view of such man sweet ! or would you say sod off, don't go flying over a war zone fool.

It's our media playing the one sided clown once again trying to cause as much trouble as they can dividing everyone and they have been down playing China as well.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

Anyone who fly's directly over a war zone is a total moron. it's best to keep that in mind.

If the war was lets say in Brisbane, flights were flying over Gold Coast and the Sunshine Coast but one clown flew directly over Brisbane say, that's some what like what was the situation I believe.

Hey anyone want to fly over a war Zone, yes ! hey a free view of such man sweet ! or would you say sod off, don't go flying over a war zone fool.

It's our media playing the one sided clown once again trying to cause as much trouble as they can dividing everyone and they have been down playing China as well.

Mick have a read of the supplied link before you open your mouth next time, quite sure you have nothing between the ears.
Personally I think your comment is an insult to the victims of MH17.

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/18/why-...ime-money.html

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Thanks. I get ya now. Push back from 5 eyes and Quad like nations won't bother them. IPA is a nice move, but its 200 MPs forming an group that has not been state sanctioned.

Sorry, I know these are nice gestures, it makes us feel warm and fuzzy, but will it hurt them? We need something stronger if you want to make a difference.

How about Biden and Boris making a brief statement? Even a statement from Merkel would embarrass them. I'm sorry, if it has caused so much grief for us, it deserves at least some recognition from heads of our closest allies, not through their deputies. I reckon Trump would have said something if he wasn't in such a predicament.

A real punch in the face would be push backs from countries in ASEAN or even one or two in the middle east, saying "we do not condone what you have done, we appreciate what Australia has done to address this issue" (in reference to the tweet, of course they have no interest in the trade war bullying).

Just my view, as unpopular as it may be. I'll be quiet now.

Biden is too weak and corrupt to say anything bad about china. Watch him sell out america to the ccp.

[LG17]

China is doing a great job at the moment of ****ing off nearly every other country in the world...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by LG17

China is doing a great job at the moment of ****ing off nearly every other country in the world...

They will be seen for what they truly are soon enough. The world is waking up to it. I hope they keep digging that hole, and everyone else turns on them.