Ecoboost whats the point

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by JADED6

I think a falcon with a 4 is a bit like a bloke walking around with womens underwear under his jeans. From the outside, all may appear normal but you'd never feel quite right about it.

I hope for ford it sells. Sad days for the automotive industry as it all seems like last ditch attemps for the falcon.

and why do you believe that is the case? Have you driven one back to back with a FG I6 to compare?

I don't see the issue with the ecoBoost, so what it is a 4 cylinder?
Gone are the days of the wheezy 4 cylinders, these days they're up there and can take on many a 6 cylinder.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by JADED6

I think a falcon with a 4 is a bit like a bloke walking around with womens underwear under his jeans. From the outside, all may appear normal but you'd never feel quite right about it.

I hope for ford it sells. Sad days for the automotive industry as it all seems like last ditch attemps for the falcon.

Originally Posted by JADED6

They already do.
The disincentives for me driving my V8 gas guzzler
Registration $720 per year
Fuel usage 14L/100km and the government taxes the crap out of our fuel.

Incentives for driving a 4cyl economy car
Registration $520 per year
Fuel usage 8L/100km thus avoiding a bit of the tax rort with less fuel used.

Perhaps in a few years the government can scrap the $2,000 LPG conversion bonus and bring in a $2,000 "economy car" bonus.

Hmm........

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by RASER

U will have to ask FoA accountants, they could sell it at that price, and may have to in the future.

They already have ~ $2000+ head start [freight, duty, storage etc] on even cheap imported vehicles, plus all the GovCo hand outs etc

Need a Falcon's with powertrain options of, diesel, hybrid, electric and alcohol fuel, VW does it and sure Ford could too

You seriously have no idea?

[davez104]

The turbo 6 was widely acknowledged as being faster and more efficient than the NA 8 yet people can't grasp that a turbo 4 could get anywhere near an NA 6. I hope Ford does well with it.

[brett7777]

Originally Posted by davez104

The turbo 6 was widely acknowledged as being faster and more efficient than the NA 8 yet people can't grasp that a turbo 4 could get anywhere near an NA 6

point taken. but a Falcon has traditionally been a 6 or 8, so i think it's just the prob of gettin your head around the idea of a Falcon 4. albeit a turbo.

[Polyal]

Any product that doesnt evolve to its changing environment will ultimately die off. Its as simple as that.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by brett7777

point taken. but a Falcon has traditionally been a 6 or 8, so i think it's just the prob of gettin your head around the idea of a Falcon 4. albeit a turbo.

think your spot on there, people probabbly remeber the old 4 cylinder commodore days and think the ecoboost would be the same. but however its not. i think what ford should try and do is show it on TV around a race track with other big four cylinder cars like camry and mazda 6 and even the 3L V6 VE commodore too show its performance. have the six cylinder performance from a four cylinder thing at the end. also a reliabilty trail would be great too show the four bangers fuel economy.

[Bossxr8]

Yesterday.

V8's - 13
Ecoboost 4's - 4
LPI's - 30

Good day for V8's, usually about 6 - 8 a day.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Yesterday.

V8's - 13
Ecoboost 4's - 4
LPI's - 30

Good day for V8's, usually about 6 - 8 a day.

How many N/A 6s?

And what were the configurations? i.e. of the V8s how many were GT/GS and of the EB4s and LPis how many were fleet XTs?

[nstg8a]

lpi's must be selling all right then

[flooded one]

i wish i'd see some taxis here with the lpi falcon. they also seem too be going for hybrid camrys or prius here now :(

[olds]

O.K I think I got my answer 311 posts later can we close this now

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

How many N/A 6s?

And what were the configurations? i.e. of the V8s how many were GT/GS and of the EB4s and LPis how many were fleet XTs?

Average is about 60 Falcon 6's a day, around 30 for Territory I6, so total around 90 NA 6's a day.

Maybe 8-12 turbos.

Fleet XT's bugger all.

V8's are mostly GT's.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by RASER

U will have to ask FoA accountants, they could sell it at that price, and may have to in the future.

They already have ~ $2000+ head start [freight, duty, storage etc] on even cheap imported vehicles, plus all the GovCo hand outs etc

Need a Falcon's with powertrain options of, diesel, hybrid, electric and alcohol fuel, VW does it and sure Ford could too

So you say what they can sell it for but have no idea if they will make money on it? you are kidding yourself if you think Falcon can compete on a powertrain level with VW. Do you know they would share powertrain developement with Audi, Skoda. They had 8.2 million sales last year.

Seriously, your $2000 head start wont even design a cup holder. It is amazing that Falcon has 5 engine options engineered into it now.

[Joe5619]

Heres an interesting read!!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A0E001E44CE

Without getting into the whole is a Falcon in the same league as a BWM. Ignore that, what is does show is that a model that has basically been a 6 Cylinder model is now doing very well by offering a smaller turbo charged 4. BWM customers are buying into the whole smaller turbo 4. Let hope EB4 has the same effect on Falcon buyers.

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Heres an interesting read!!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A0E001E44CE

Without getting into the whole is a Falcon in the same league as a BWM. Ignore that, what is does show is that a model that has basically been a 6 Cylinder model is now doing very well by offering a smaller turbo charged 4. BWM customers are buying into the whole smaller turbo 4. Let hope EB4 has the same effect on Falcon buyers.

The 328i does 0-100km/h in around 6s and the quarter mile in the low 14's @ 100mph. It's official combined cycle is 6.3L/100km. It's advantage is weight though. It comes in well under 1500kgs, something the Falcon could only dream about.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Nic85

The 328i does 0-100km/h in around 6s and the quarter mile in the low 14's @ 100mph. It's official combined cycle is 6.3L/100km. It's advantage is weight though. It comes in well under 1500kgs, something the Falcon could only dream about.

3 series is not the same size as a Falcon. 5 series is more the same size.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Heres an interesting read!!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A0E001E44CE

Without getting into the whole is a Falcon in the same league as a BWM. Ignore that, what is does show is that a model that has basically been a 6 Cylinder model is now doing very well by offering a smaller turbo charged 4. BWM customers are buying into the whole smaller turbo 4. Let hope EB4 has the same effect on Falcon buyers.

Base 3 series have always been 4 cylinders though, and the current M3 was the first to ever get a V8, so a 4 cylinder 3 series is nothing new.

But then again most 3 series buyers couldn't care less whats under the bonnet, they just want people to see the BMW badge so they think they look rich, even though the guy in a new Calais V V8 or G6E Turbo's car probably cost more than theirs did.

[Polyal]

But if you didnt have to kart 5 adults, or tow stuff then a Falcon is overkill.

3/C class is like a mondeo, actually a mondeo would probably be bigger. Still if $$ wasnt the issue then why would you get a mondeo over a 3/C?

[naddis01]

C class has outsold Mondeo this year.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Heres an interesting read!!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A0E001E44CE

Without getting into the whole is a Falcon in the same league as a BWM. Ignore that, what is does show is that a model that has basically been a 6 Cylinder model is now doing very well by offering a smaller turbo charged 4. BWM customers are buying into the whole smaller turbo 4. Let hope EB4 has the same effect on Falcon buyers.

What the heck is a BWM? You mention this twice, for effect I presume?

[flooded one]

Big Windsor Motor :p

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by Wretched

3 series is not the same size as a Falcon. 5 series is more the same size.

I knew someone would mention this.

Apples for Apples then:

G6 Ecoboost = 179kW/353Nm, 0-100km/h = 7.1s, mid 15s quarter mile @ 90mph, 8.5L/100km - 1674kgs.

528i = 180kW/350Nm, 0-100km/h = 6.3s, mid 14s quarter mile @ 98mph, 6.8L/100km - 1620kgs.

The BMW also tows 2 tonne compared to the Ecoboost 1600kgs (not that anyone really cares about this).

I'll wait for the obligatory dribble about how much more expensive the BMW is etc. My point was to illustrate to the people talking about the Falcon being on the same pitch as the BMW 5 series, that it is not. And also to illustrate that while it's a good start for Falcon, this engine, there's still a lot of work to be done with transmissions and weight reduction.

[csv8]

Next model MB C Class has a 4 cylinder that deactivates to 2 cylinders.If rumours are correct..

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Nic85

I knew someone would mention this.

Apples for Apples then:

G6 Ecoboost = 179kW/353Nm, 0-100km/h = 7.1s, mid 15s quarter mile @ 90mph, 8.5L/100km - 1674kgs.

528i = 180kW/350Nm, 0-100km/h = 6.3s, mid 14s quarter mile @ 98mph, 6.8L/100km - 1620kgs.

The BMW also tows 2 tonne compared to the Ecoboost 1600kgs (not that anyone really cares about this).

I'll wait for the obligatory dribble about how much more expensive the BMW is etc. My point was to illustrate to the people talking about the Falcon being on the same pitch as the BMW 5 series, that it is not. And also to illustrate that while it's a good start for Falcon, this engine, there's still a lot of work to be done with transmissions and weight reduction.

the performance data is irrelevent, as both vehicles weren't tested on the same day in the same conditions.

the dribble about the expense of the BMW isn't just dribble. that sale cost allows BMW to have 7 or 8 sp autos and make the panels out of aluminium instead of sheet metal etc....

the falcon is a very good product considering. why people like you feel the need to drag it down at every corner, i'll never know. if it isn't for you, then don't comment.

you missed the whole point Joe5619 was making when he mentioned BMW anyway.

[drwevil]

BMW = Break My Windows ;)

[flooded one]

i dont think i have seen a new bmw sedan tow anything yet. I dont think people that tow will buy a 4 cylinder falcon either. the towing crowd have moved too SUVs and 4X4. even thou we all know how easy our home grown falcon 6 cylinder tows

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by prydey

the performance data is irrelevent, as both vehicles weren't tested on the same day in the same conditions.

the dribble about the expense of the BMW isn't just dribble. that sale cost allows BMW to have 7 or 8 sp autos and make the panels out of aluminium instead of sheet metal etc....

the falcon is a very good product considering. why people like you feel the need to drag it down at every corner, i'll never know. if it isn't for you, then don't comment.

you missed the whole point Joe5619 was making when he mentioned BMW anyway.

Well then we're even as you missed the entire point I made by being blinded by your Ford glasses.

I understand the price differences. I understand it enables companies like BMW to make more advancements in technology. I understand the Ecoboost is a good product, and even recognised that in my post.

I'll offer you your own advice: If you can't comprehend a post, don't reply to it.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Well then we're even as you missed the entire point I made.

which was? i don't think anyone was claiming ford were on the same pitch as bmw. the point being made was a car that was traditionally a 6cyl was still being accepted even though its a 4cyl. a situation that is now applicable to ford and falcon.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by wildrider

i dont think i have seen a new bmw sedan tow anything yet. I dont think people that tow will buy a 4 cylinder falcon either. the towing crowd have moved too SUVs and 4X4. even thou we all know how easy our home grown falcon 6 cylinder tows

Whether people tow or not, it can still be a selling feature. Australia has one of the highest rates of vehicle towing in the world, many car companies like Volvo, BMW, VW and Mercedes go to the expense of accrediting vehicles bound for Australia and not bother with much larger US or European markets, even Subaru has modifications done in Japan for Aussie cars and the only reason the hybrid Camry has a tow rating at all is because of the Australian market. Heck even Mitsubishi re engineered the entire rear end of the 380 to tow as the base US Galant doesnt.

I'm still surprised a little 1.4 petrol FWD Volkswagen Tiguan has a higher tow rating than a Ecoboost Falcon, really Ecoboost should have been all the benefits of a large six without compromise - 700kg reduction in tow rating is a compromise.