BA brakes onto AU... - Page 12

Perana · 03-09-2007, 05:47 PM

If only PBR would sell the lower mount separately...

genebaby · 03-09-2007, 06:02 PM

They might. You can get the slide pin from Ford. Maybe that bit too. I didn't know about it before sourcing my brakes.

Casper · 03-09-2007, 07:41 PM

This is the Ebay "quick and easy" 330mm upgrade for the BA Caliper. Basically the same as a Terri upgrade except it uses an external bracket instead of a change to the caliper. Not 100% convinced its strong enough but apparently its pretty common (so says sbutler and racebrakes).
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...._promot_widget

private9 · 06-09-2007, 12:44 PM

Am I reading the above posts correctly, in that Territory/BF calipers are esentially the same as BA/AU2-3 with slight mounting differences?

I was always under the impression that the calipers were much larger? Looking at mine against the standard S3 ones on the car at the moment, they do look a fair bit bigger, but it is a bit difficult to compare through the wheels.

If the pad sizes are essentially the same, is the only reason for the upgrade to gain the correct mounts to fit over the larger discs?

Perana · 06-09-2007, 03:42 PM

BF XR6T/XR8/Territory/BA are all basically the same caliper.. just with a different mounts. AU2/3 have different shaped pad's, but I'm not sure how close the rest of the caliper is.

Territory mounts are useless on Falcon's anyway.. If you have 322mm Front discs you need BF XR mounts or if you have BA Discs you need BA mounts.

Casper · 15-09-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Matt - AU1XLS had no prblems with his - they bolted straight up with no brackets rubbing on discs or anything. Perhaps this will be the case for yours. If not, then a 3mm spacer mounted between the rear of the hub and the calliper bracket solves the problem. We (me and someone else) think maybe the hub on the IRS is just different enough to cause this gap issue.

Apparently not. I just went to put the rear BA brakes on my AU IRS setup today and guess what? 3mm spacing issue.
In the end I looked at it, messed with it, looked at doing a spacer, checked the AU rear pad size to the BA rear pad size (identical) and decided that a slightly large disk wasn't worth the issue of having a spacer in there. I left the AU rears on. Just not worth the hassles in the end.

Only problem now is I need to actually paint up the rears to match the BA ones for the fronts now... bugger.

JC · 15-09-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Apparently not. I just went to put the rear BA brakes on my AU IRS setup today and guess what? 3mm spacing issue.
In the end I looked at it, messed with it, looked at doing a spacer, checked the AU rear pad size to the BA rear pad size (identical) and decided that a slightly large disk wasn't worth the issue of having a spacer in there. I left the AU rears on. Just not worth the hassles in the end.

Only problem now is I need to actually paint up the rears to match the BA ones for the fronts now... bugger.

Lol, I went through the same thing Shane. In the end, I decided the BA callipers were in better condition than the AU ones, so a 3mm spacer it was. Must be the IRS rear end is just slightly different.

How have you found the fronts (besides looking behind the wheels and there they are)?

Casper · 15-09-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Lol, I went through the same thing Shane. In the end, I decided the BA callipers were in better condition than the AU ones, so a 3mm spacer it was. Must be the IRS rear end is just slightly different.

Apart from a fresh coat of paint and a slightly bigger rotor the BA setup was in no better condition than my AU ones (even the pads were the same thickness) so I just didnt want to stuff around with them. I'll give them a clean and a coat of paint one of these days (soonish) just to bling them up a bit and match them to the fronts when they get done.

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Originally Posted by JC

How have you found the fronts (besides looking behind the wheels and there they are)?

I havent tried to change them over yet as doing it on the garage floor doesnt seem to be a lot of fun (or particularly safe crawling under a car only held by jack stands).
I have had a look under there today just to see where the brackets for the sway bar go (needs some more holes drilled and threaded by the looks) and I quickly came to the conclusion its not a 1 person job, I dont have the tools and I dont have the knowledge to do the changeover anyhow. I'll leave it to either the pro's or to someone who has done it before and knows what they are doing. I'll happily help but I'm not feeling that confident to do it myself. I dont want the front end collapsing on me due to a mistake on my behalf. Just not something I will risk.

loxxr6 · 17-09-2007, 03:29 PM

Oh, apparently for us series 1 owners, we can upgrade our master cylinder to a station wagon one for a slightly better increase in pedal feel.

The station wagon master cylinder is a bit bigger than the sedan one. It'll go in a lot easier than a series 2 one which requires some major work.

Perana · 18-09-2007, 02:46 PM

Have finally fitted the BF Turbo brakes.. Needed a 2mm spacer for the rear calipers (this is on an AU2 XR6HP), otherwise all went on well.

Very impressed with them so far..

XR Lita · 18-09-2007, 03:12 PM

I'm running BA dimpled and slotted rotors on my AU2 with the BA calipers and EBC red pads...

Highly recommend upgrading...It's amazing the difference..

waggaclint · 22-09-2007, 10:22 AM

does anyone no if commodore calipers ie:VZ or VE calipers are the same as BA/BF? there very similar and i think you can buy them cheaper 2nd hand than ford ones?

genebaby · 22-09-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by waggaclint

does anyone no if commodore calipers ie:VZ or VE calipers are the same as BA/BF? there very similar and i think you can buy them cheaper 2nd hand than ford ones?

I don't know if they are similar, but I know some shops have been using VE calipers in kits they have made up. Best ring PBR and find out what is the same.

RspecAU · 30-09-2007, 09:13 PM

: Ok so what parts do i need to upgrade from AU2 to the Terri bakes???

poolkeeper · 30-09-2007, 09:16 PM

Just checking out www.cebcobrakes.com.au
Can you get a AP Racing 4spot brake kit for an au1. Or am I reading it wrong??

Casper · 01-10-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by D1XR2C

Just checking out www.cebcobrakes.com.au
Can you get a AP Racing 4spot brake kit for an au1. Or am I reading it wrong??

yes, you can get them. They have a special bracket that comes with it.

You also get 10% off for being an aufalcon.com member.

poolkeeper · 01-10-2007, 09:01 AM

Sweet as, I didnt want to go to au2 because my 4000 series rotors AU1, are brand new pretty much.

Perana · 02-10-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RspecAU

: Ok so what parts do i need to upgrade from AU2 to the Terri bakes???

BF XR6T/XR8 Front capliers (Territory ones do not fit)
Territory or BF XR6T/XR8 (they both fit) Front (and rear if doing rear as well) Discs
Territory or BF XR6T/XR8 (they both fit) Rear calipers if doing rear + 2-3mm spacer

waggaclint · 02-10-2007, 10:28 PM

does anyone no if there is any size differance in the rears on a BA/BF wgn or ute to i suppose.... compared to a AUIII..ive scored some fronts and now looking at doing the rears as well....

Casper · 02-10-2007, 10:32 PM

AU rears are the same size as the fronts (287mm I think), BA rears are 303mm.

I just had mine done today, BA front and rears.

Pics here: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...00#post1747500

XR Lita · 03-10-2007, 08:16 AM

Casper you are correct. The rotor diameter of the AU2/3 rear rotor is 287mm, overall height is 51mm and original thickness is 16mm. The BA rear rotor measures in at 303mm diameter, 50mm height, and 16mm thickness

Casper · 03-10-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by loxxr6

Oh, apparently for us series 1 owners, we can upgrade our master cylinder to a station wagon one for a slightly better increase in pedal feel.

The station wagon master cylinder is a bit bigger than the sedan one. It'll go in a lot easier than a series 2 one which requires some major work.

I'll certainly be looking into this too. Even though the new brakes are clearly far, FAR superior to the old AU1 shockers the pedal feel is pretty wooden and the travel length is a bit of a change for me. Its not bad or dangerous, just not as comforting as a nice firm pedal.

StealthAu · 04-10-2007, 01:06 PM

Braided hoses could help firm it up casper. Also has anyone had the AU1 to Ba brakes done in Brisbane? need someone to recomend a place to get it done

Casper · 04-10-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

Braided hoses could help firm it up casper. Also has anyone had the AU1 to Ba brakes done in Brisbane? need someone to recomend a place to get it done

yep, I'm thinking I'll go braided hoses as soon as I can.

private9 · 04-10-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perana XR8

BF XR6T/XR8 Front capliers (Territory ones do not fit)
Territory or BF XR6T/XR8 (they both fit) Front (and rear if doing rear as well) Discs
Territory or BF XR6T/XR8 (they both fit) Rear calipers if doing rear + 2-3mm spacer

Damn mate, I'm not liking your post at all! I actually bought Terri calipers front and rear a few months back, so looks like I'm stuffed. Strangely though, the brake shop I'm using assures me they've done this before and they will fit. I'm sceptical, but I'll book it in and see what happens. Will update you all probably in the next month or so.

XR Lita · 04-10-2007, 01:36 PM

Braided all the way around is definitely the way to go. I have it on my XR and it is so much better than the stock feel with the rubber hoses.

If there is any members on here in the Cairns region, come see me at Knights Brake Specialists. I'll show you my car, and can try source bits for you if it's not on the shelf.

RspecAU · 10-10-2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perana XR8

BF XR6T/XR8 Front capliers (Territory ones do not fit)
Territory or BF XR6T/XR8 (they both fit) Front (and rear if doing rear as well) Discs
Territory or BF XR6T/XR8 (they both fit) Rear calipers if doing rear + 2-3mm spacer

Thanks for that Perana. So i don't need the terri hubs? I'll do before the car gets back on the road.

Perana · 10-10-2007, 11:38 AM

Yeah we tried Territory front calipers and they definitely didn't fit an AU2.

AU Hubs are fine.. IIRC from the parts book they AU-BF and Territory hubs are the same anyway.

au^dude · 20-10-2007, 03:18 PM

Its been asked but i cant find it What exactly would i need as in parts to upgrade my AU1 Brakes to at least 330mm rotors.

Stub axles
calipers,
discs,
EB Sway bar (and the pins/bushes for it).

Is that what i need? also why the ED sway bar, I already have a white line one on my cant i just use that?
Thanks

DoreSlamR · 20-10-2007, 09:49 PM

Hey Guys, just finished reading this thread start to finish, quite the information overload!

I'm looking to upgrade the brakes on my A1 ute, i've found a wreckers selling the conversion to AU2 specs -- lower control arms, uprights, stub axles and swaybar for $250 i think this is pretty reasonable price.
I was then thinking of putting on this brake kit from ebay HERE

What do you guys think? any suggestions?