Schumacher critical

[solarite_guy]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

Greg More, and many others. Too many to name.

Apologies for misspelling Greg Moore's name. I should know better as I speak with another Greg Moore here. Son of Bud Moore as in Bud Moore Engineering.

[fordomatic]

Personally I think they are selfish, let him go peacefully if he still hasn't improved.

[prydey]

It really is no one else's business as to their decisions surrounding his care and hope for recovery, or even just to keep him alive. No one knows the real story.

Some of us just like to keep track of the little snippets of news, and personally I cling on to those little snippets of hope.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by prydey

It really is no one else's business as to their decisions surrounding his care and hope for recovery, or even just to keep him alive. No one knows the real story.

Some of us just like to keep track of the little snippets of news, and personally I cling on to those little snippets of hope.

Exactly,
Everyone has their own personal opinion on the matter and what they would prefer if they were in the unfortunate position that this family is in.

The fact is though they aren't, and the Schumacher family are, so in all respect towards them we all should respect their decision on the matter and just hope and pray as the family are doing, and if and when they do decide it's time to say goodbye, well once again we should respect their decision.

But one thing is for sure, we should thank god that we less mortal's are not in their position and having to make the call or deal with this heart ache as I sure as hell would not like to be in their shoes.

[GCRXR6]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

Personally I think they are selfish, let him go peacefully if he still hasn't improved.

What makes you think they are selfish? It maybe Michael's wish to keep going.

[CFOUR]

moving to where more experimental treatments are legal. i.e. stem cells.

[Express]

Originally Posted by GCRXR6

What makes you think they are selfish? It maybe Michael's wish to keep going.

This could be very true.

My wife died recently and we had talked on a few occasions in recent years about being kept alive by a machine or would we rather be allowed to be let go.

She’s became sick early this year and had a few hospital episodes in quick succession and during one she was told by the hospital staff her chances of survival were very small but they could keep her body alive with help from drugs and machines and she told them that’s the last thing she ever wanted.

As it was she pulled through on that occasion and we then went about ensuring our personal affairs were legally in order in case the worst was to happen.

A few months later she was rushed to hospital again and as she deteriorated and became unconscious the family and I were informed there was no way she could survive on her own and would never gain any quality of life and the hospital had on record from an earlier visit her wishes were not to be kept alive with machines.

As I had Enduring Power of Attorney and for those of you that don’t know the difference it’s not the same as Power of Attorney, it allowed me to legally make the decision she wanted and have all medication stopped, the machines turned off and she was given high doses of morphine to help with the pain as she slipped away.

Even though I legally had the power to make this decision I of course consulted with the rest of the family before doing so.

So who knows what Michael Schumacher and his family have decided over the years.

Given that he participated in a very dangerous sport I’m sure these questions would have been discussed at length and maybe the family are following his wishes.

For all you people that don’t have Enduring Power of Attorneys sorted out make sure the next time you do a will you get the solicitors to do it as well.

It means you get what you want done and sometimes that can make the decision your family has to make so much easier to live with.

I know for me that as hard as the decision was, I take comfort in knowing it was the one my wife wanted.



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[FTE217]

Thanks for your post Express.
All the best to you and condolense's mate and your family.......
Spot on, its up to the couple full stop and many don't discuss this TUFFest "challenge" till its too late.....
Thanks about the Enduring POA tip.
I take my hat off to Schumi's wife very much, whatever they had discussed when he was in normal condition or not she also must love this man veryvery much and clinging to the "miracle" for she probably has had the chance countless times in discussion with the specialists - you know what, enough is enough lets let him RIP.
Lord knows what hers/his life is like but its still got something I guess.
Amazing to think about this circumstance - yet us typical humans can't help but wonder why.
When its not in your house you can't relate.

[zoesgift]

Originally Posted by Express

This could be very true.

My wife died recently and we had talked on a few occasions in recent years about being kept alive by a machine or would we rather be allowed to be let go.

She’s became sick early this year and had a few hospital episodes in quick succession and during one she was told by the hospital staff her chances of survival were very small but they could keep her body alive with help from drugs and machines and she told them that’s the last thing she ever wanted.

As it was she pulled through on that occasion and we then went about ensuring our personal affairs were legally in order in case the worst was to happen.

A few months later she was rushed to hospital again and as she deteriorated and become unconscious the family and I were informed there was no way she could survive on her own and would never gain any quality of life and the hospital had on record from an earlier visit her wishes were not to be kept alive with machines.

As I had Enduring Power of Attorney and for those of you that don’t know the difference it’s not the same as Power of Attorney, it allowed me to legally make the decision she wanted and have all medication stopped, the machines turned off and she was given high doses of morphine to help with the pain as she slipped away.

Even though I legally had the power to make this decision I of course consulted with the rest of the family before doing so.

So who knows what Michael Schumacher and his family have decided over the years.

Given that he participated in a very dangerous sport I’m sure these questions would have been discussed at length and maybe the family are following his wishes.

For all you people that don’t have Enduring Power of Attorneys sorted out make sure the next time you do a will you get the solicitors to do it as well.

It means you get what you want done and sometimes that can make the decision your family has to make so much easier to live with.

I know for me that as hard as the decision was, I take comfort in knowing it was the one my wife wanted.



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probably the most sensible thing ive read in ages and people should refer back to your post prior to posting... thanks for posting and may your wife rest in peace. I struggle more with the opinions people voice about scenarios that really are none of their business, like Michael Schumachers health and what they think when they have NO idea....once again I hope people put things into perspective and think before they "type"

[Express]

Thanks for the condolences, as a family we are still somewhat in shock and deeply in mourning.

These situations are awful and because there is so much emotion involved the last thing you ever want to do is let go of someone you love regardless of their wishes or even if your head tells you it’s the right thing to do.

So it is a sensible topic to bring up with your families and finalise legally while you have the chance.

Our ordeal was quick but it was over a few months which at least gave us some time to prepare the legal side of things, some people don’t get that chance, for some you’re here one day and gone the next.

There are members on this forum who are more equipped to give legal advice than me as what I have to say is only as someone who has just gone through it.

So seek professional advice when planning your affairs.

We already had wills and general Powers of Attorney in place but it wasn’t until my wife became ill that an elderly relative informed us of the need for the Enduring Power of Attorney and that sent us off to a solicitor for legal advice.

Also and this wasn’t in our case but it something that happen last year to a friend of ours whose husband died young.

His employer deposited her husband’s salary into her husband’s personal bank account and it had accumulated and grown over the years to a substantial sum and was their only source of income. Because the account was only in his name it was suspended until probate was finalised leaving her without access to funds. If that salary had been either deposited or regularly transferred to a joint account it would have instantly become hers and falls outside any will. And I guess most of you know the same goes for property where joint ownership on the title deeds means the property automatically goes to the surviving spouse, de facto or partner and also falls outside of the will.

Of course the old saying that where there’s a will there’s a relative always applies and everything is contestable but to do the best you can for your spouses and partners it’s best to start early not later when later can be too late.




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[zoesgift]

as the eldest of two siblings who have now lost both parents I can tell you the probate issue is a real one and time frames given for it to pass can be misleading. in my case my brother and I are extremely close so the "relative contesting the will" issue that sadly arises following the death of a close relative is not relevant in my situation.

[Express]

Touching comments allegedly from “family members” of the star suggest he weeps when he sees beautiful scenery from his window.


https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports...a%E2%80%99s%20





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[Bossxr8]

Sounds like he is unable to communicate.

[Express]

The “close relatives” told magazine Paris Match: “When you put him in his wheelchair facing the beautiful panorama of the mountains overlooking the lake, Michael sometimes cries.”

When I read this and I understand it may not be fact but if I had once been a very active man with the abilities of Schumacher looking out at this view from a wheelchair and I only had minimal capabilities to communicate I'd be crying too, crying because I'd rather be dead.



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[FTE217]

yer I read about this before - so friggin sad no matter who you are but you got to wonder.
He or any of us in that position would wish to be gone ? or some people just want to keep hanging on for all we know.
Or is it the family not wanting to let go ?
Its so hard to fathom tbh.
When your that good at something and worse in such a dangerous game and the results you achieved must be torture in his mind.
I hurt about this.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Express

When I read this and I understand it may not be fact but if I had once been a very active man with the abilities of Schumacher looking out at this view from a wheelchair and I only had minimal capabilities to communicate I'd be crying too, crying because I'd rather be dead.



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If I was a teenager (Mick), I think I'd rather have a father, even like that, than no father.

All anyone knows is what is leaked or reported to the media. I'm happy for him to still be in this world.

[Express]

Originally Posted by prydey

If I was a teenager (Mick), I think I'd rather have a father, even like that, than no father.

All anyone knows is what is leaked or reported to the media. I'm happy for him to still be in this world.

I’ve been through something similar to this recently with my wife and I can say for myself and my family the last thing you ever want to do is let go, you want to hold on to a piece of them forever regardless of the emotional cost.

The medical professionals told us keeping her alive was futile and we could see the logic of that but that didn’t waver us as we still wanted to hold on but we couldn’t as we knew her expressed wishes were not to exist like that and support was turned off.

I can’t talk for Schumacher and his family as I don’t know them, nor do I know anything about his real condition, I can only talk for myself and it’s not something I’d wish for myself regardless of what my family wants or if they feel incapable of letting go.

Just an opinion as I understand we all think differently on issues like this because life is precious but so is the quality of it.




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[b0son]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...094b036826a01c

Speaking with Bild, the Prefect of the Pontifical Housing in the Vatican said: “He senses that loving people are around him, caring for him and, thank God, keeping the overly curious public away.”

Sounds to me like he's little more than in a vegetative state.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by b0son

Sounds to me like he's little more than in a vegetative state.

well this bit

“His face is, as we all know, the typical Michael Schumacher face he has become only a little fuller.

would suggest he isn't fading away.

[Syndrome]

I don't know how much truth is in this article


https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...5f2c329b13dddd

[Syndrome]

Five years since Michael's unfortunate accident.

#keepfighting

[Beastie]

And Ferrari are planning something special for his 50th birthday...

[Syndrome]

50 today


https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/01/03...50th-birthday/

[prydey]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...5190de96316ae8

Keep fighting MS!

[FTE217]

Watching Hockenheim the other night Mick Jnr drove Dads F2004.
I was rapted seeing this occur at the time.
Sounded great ! memories
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/4...at-hockenheim/
Forza MS.

[Syndrome]

It is clear from the latest statements that Michael is still in a vegetative state. Sad.


F2004 - greatest F1 car ever.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Michael Schumacher in hospital for ‘secret treatment’
Formula One legend Michael Schumacher has been admitted to hospital in Paris for two days of “secret treatment”, a report claims.

news.com.au SEPTEMBER 10, 2019

Former Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher has been admitted to a Paris hospital for “secret treatment”.

Le Parisien newspaper reported Schumacher has been in the hospital’s cardiovascular surgery department since Monday and is in the care of cardiac surgeon Professor Philippe Menasché, who specialises in cell therapy to treat heart failure.

Schumacher is expected to stay in the hospital for two days.

The Ferrari great turned 50 on January 3 but has not been seen in public since a skiing accident in the French Alps five years ago that left him with severe head injuries and in a medically-induced coma for several months.

Schumacher was skiing with his son Mick when he fell and cracked his head on a boulder on the Combe de Saulire above Méribel. The devastating injury left him paralysed and unable to speak.

The report claimed Schumacher has been benefiting from infusions of stem cells that are distributed in the body to obtain a systemic anti-inflammatory action.

Earlier this year former Ferrari boss and close friend of Schumacher Jean Todt provided a worrying update on the health of the former driver.

Todt told the Daily Express that he was saddened by the fact that his friendship with Schumacher could never be the same again.

“His family is fighting just as much and of course our friendship cannot be the same as it once was,” Todt said.

“Just because there’s no longer the same communication as before. I can only say that his family is taking good care of him and he continues to fight.”

A spokeswoman for Schumacher did not immediately return a request for comment.

Schumacher remains the most successful driver in Formula One history, with a record 91 grand prix victories.

He won his first two titles with Benetton in 1994 and 1995 before five in a row with Ferrari between 2000-2004.

In January his family released a statement saying he was in “the very best of hands”.

— with The Sun, wires

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...eddc470f37df3d

[prydey]

following the previous article, here is some more 'news'
https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...028983bbe24bb4

[Yellow_Festiva]

Schumacher's doctor slams 'experiment' claim

Michael Schumacher's doctor has slammed reports that he is using "experimental" treatment on the stricken Formula One legend.

Dr Philippe Menasche has treated Schumacher in the wake of severe head injuries suffered in a 2013 skiing accident. The seven-time world champion, who lives in Lake Geneva, received further care in Paris last month.

It is believed that Schumacher has undergone transfusions of inflammation-reducing stem cells, with Dr Menasche a pioneer of stem cell research.

The treatment was reported as being "experimental" by French media - a term that Dr Menasche strongly refuted in a new interview.

"I do not perform miracles. My team and I are not doing an experiment — an abominable term that is not in line with a serious medical view," Dr Menasche told Italian newspaper La Republica.

Schumacher's condition has been a closely-guarded secret ever since his tragic fall in the French Alps during a family skiing holiday. Reports have claimed that he is paralysed and unable to speak.

Schumacher has reportedly made several trips to Paris for treatment at the Georges-Pompidou hospital. His presence, accompanied by heavy security, was reported on by local media last month.

"Yes he is in my service … And I can assure you that he is conscious," an anonymous nurse told Le Parisien.

Formula One's head of motorsport Ross Brawn, who worked alongside Schumacher for all of his world championships, has previously asserted the family's desire for privacy.

"I am constantly in touch with (Schumacher's wife) Corinna, and I totally agree with their decision," he said.

"Michael has always been a very private person and that's been a guiding principle in his career, his life and his family always agreed with that choice.

"It's completely understandable that Corinna has wanted to maintain the same approach, even after the tragic event, and it's a decision we must all respect.

"I'm sure the millions of people who are still Michael fans will understand it, too."

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/moto...cid=spartanntp

[Syndrome]

25 years ago today - his first World title