Covid 19 -

[CoupeKing]

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I wonder if its like the UK and their Porton Down lab.

Govts of the past have never hesitated to use people as lab rats. The Tuskagee airmen experiment is a good example and there are plenty of records of soldiers standing near nuclear blasts.

Vaccines are no different from any other medical treatment. There have been mistakes and there will be again no matter how careful we are. But a thousand kids a day used to get polio in India and that doesn't happen any more thanks to Bill Gates and the WHO. The conspiracy nutters can't take away the fact that we now live longer healthier lives.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Govts of the past have never hesitated to use people as lab rats. The Tuskagee airmen experiment is a good example and there are plenty of records of soldiers standing near nuclear blasts.

Vaccines are no different from any other medical treatment. There have been mistakes and there will be again no matter how careful we are. But a thousand kids a day used to get polio in India and that doesn't happen any more thanks to Bill Gates and the WHO. The conspiracy nutters can't take away the fact that we now live longer healthier lives.

Good post, but Tuskegee airmen = Lab rats ?

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by HIPO

Disgusting people! Wont have to worry about them for much longer!...……..

Pandemic ends, November 4th.

PAIN.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Good post, but Tuskegee airmen = Lab rats ?

Apologies, "airmen" shouldn't be there just "Tuskagee experiment"
https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm

[T3rminator]

Sorry if this is a repeat, but did anyone else see this?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmac...m-wuhan-china/

[Cav]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Just because you’ve posted some pictures from some “website” doesn’t mean the data is correct.

The funny thing is that most of these Histograms are American states and not countries.

1. How many of these “Lockdowns” are actually enforced and official ?

2. Where is the independent Analysis, and breakdown of the data ?

3. Are Sweden’s borders open or closed, and how does that compare to the other Bars ?

Like I said I’d like to see independent references to data and graphs, and not some pictures from a “Wacko” website.

Mate, build your case, don’t just post graphs 👍

The data I posted is from wacko websites?

Is that the point you are trying to make?

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Sorry if this is a repeat, but did anyone else see this?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmac...m-wuhan-china/

Yeah. saw that. I think it will turn out to be a false positive; these tests are not 100%. It's unreal that it showed up for a short period then went away all by itself. Hasn't happened anywhere else that I have heard of. I don't know how many infected people there would need to be in the community before it showed up in the sewage but surely it would have to be more than a handful.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Tassie still looking good for now re' borders opening. (key point......for now)

I doubt many big island people would travel here at this time of year anyway (other than DarkMofo which obviously was cancelled) but it's actually a good time.

Usually clear days, just cold yeah. (although Vic not much warmer and colder some days). Summer is warmer but not necessarily a better time to visit.

Hope some Ford guys (and girls of course) can fit in a trip. 3 or 4 nights is all you need really to do see preferred places, but stay relaxed on Holiday.

If want any advice (I'm a boring local of 30 plus years) simply PM me and I'll help as much as I can.

mate...WTF are you doing?

Please ignore him folks, Tasssie is a sheethole...freezing all year round. You will die from all the venomous snakes and other associated poisonous creatures.

Did i mention it is freezing and so very expensive..

Most people get an itchy rash in their groin after drinking the water..

Best to go Qld or uluru or further...stay away from tassie folks...please?

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by zilo

mate...WTF are you doing?

Please ignore him folks, Tasssie is a sheethole...freezing all year round. You will die from all the venomous snakes and other associated poisonous creatures.

Did i mention it is freezing and so very expensive..

Most people get an itchy rash in their groin after drinking the water..

Best to go Qld or uluru or further...stay away from tassie folks...please?

Yeah Zilo,I think the further you go from Tassie the better it will be for the rest of us.

[Citroënbender]

I’m honestly confused now about who can go where and do what, just in Australia!

[ford71V8]

Yeah its getting like that

Vote +1 for Tas though, loved my trip there.....was cold but beautiful. Targa being on was a nice bonus

[AlanD]

I wondered about people who have recovered from Covid 19, as to whether or not there were any post recovery problems showing up.

There are!

The following article from the NY Times provides some insight into this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/h...gtype=Homepage

So it would seem, on balance, that contracting the virus could have a very nasty long term effect on your future health.

Perhaps better to avoid the issue by following the guidelines about distancing and hand hygene - especially if your activities involve interaction with a wide range of people.

Cheers

[russellw]

Originally Posted by PooDog

It hasnt restarted all cases are fly ins , we dont have any community transmission that we know about ?

I'm sorry but the question was asked as to what the gap was between outbreaks. I didn't think we were debating what the cause of those outbreaks was and by definition going from an absence of new cases to having new cases is a restart.

[Cav]

Any info on Vic cases that were under investigation?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Is there any reason why adults cant do that type of test too?

I would say it's due to supply. I think it's just new to the market so they only have small stocks. I think it future it might become the norm when they can get decent supplies of it.

[russellw]

84 new cases for Australia (73 in Victoria) and no deaths so CMR drops to 1.313% and active cases rise to 776 (9.8%).

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.440% and active cases stay at 22.

The UK had 829 new cases and 176 deaths so the CMR is up to 14.006%.

Just over 46k new cases in the USA yesterday and 764 deaths sees CMR down to 4.770 and active cases down to 53.5% but the raw numbers are rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global new cases set a new high of 191,499;
Turkey passes 200k and Colombia 100k cases;
The USA completes 34M tests;
Africa records a new high for daily cases with 12,652;
Asia records a new high for daily cases with 48,657;
North America records a new high for daily cases with 56,061;

El Salvador (298), Kenya (307), Palestine (330), Algeria (365), Kyrgyzstan (439), Moldova (549), Nigeria (790), Kazakhstan (944), Israel (1.013), Indonesia (=1,385), Colombia (4,163) and South Africa (8,124) recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Cav

Any info on Vic cases that were under investigation?

The security guards who were supposed to be enforcing the lock downs in the hotels were too busy shagging them, and bumming smokes off them. Freaking clown show.

Why would the vic government entrust such an important job to some 2 bit security company?

Between this and the ruby princess, it's the governments screw ups that have caused most of the problem.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The security guards who were supposed to be enforcing the lock downs in the hotels were too busy shagging them, and bumming smokes off them. Freaking clown show.

Why would the vic government entrust such an important job to some 2 bit security company?

Between this and the ruby princess, it's the governments screw ups that have caused most of the problem.

LOL is there a link for that?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Cav

Any info on Vic cases that were under investigation?

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rine-truganina
Not surprising when one person gets it and takes it home to the family.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

LOL is there a link for that?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...-hunt/12414612

Earlier this week, Mr Andrews said genomic testing had revealed a number of coronavirus cases were linked to staff members in hotel quarantine who had breached well-known infection control protocols.

Mr Hunt said if the reports were correct that some security staff have been having sex with people in hotel quarantine or that families were allowed to go between rooms to play cards, those responsible should be punished.

[Franco Cozzo]

How do I get in on this hotel gig?

Good pay, sex, playing cards and standing around doing nothing, I'm down for that.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by zilo

mate...WTF are you doing?

Please ignore him folks, Tasssie is a sheethole...freezing all year round......

Best to go Qld or uluru or further...stay away from tassie folks...please?

Sorry mate! I forgot and will be sure to remember to pass on how crap Tassie is in future

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by Cav

The case against lockdown - look at Sweden

It's complicated. I've answered this a few times now and am getting sick of repeating myself.

Anyone who wants to "judge" sweden first has to understand WHY they did what they did. Then you need to wait until the final whistle. It is still far too early to conclude whether they failed or succeeded.

Note FWIW we are doing EXACTLY what they did in 1918. Virtually the whole world is tracking that behavior precisely. THAT is terrifying if it mutates to a faster mortality form. If the timeline is like 1918 that will happen in our spring. Ask me for answers next christmas, 2021.

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m honestly confused now about who can go where and do what, just in Australia!

I can go to my fridge and retrieve a cold bottle of tequila. That's all _I_ need to know...

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

How do I get in on this hotel gig?

Good pay, sex, playing cards and standing around doing nothing, I'm down for that.

I initially misread as "wearing nothing".

I'm glad I rechecked!

[russellw]

Originally Posted by AlanD

Hi,

Based on some rough and ready calculations the following:

China 2.6 deaths per million of population.
Malaysia 3.8 deaths per million of population
Australia 4.2 deaths per million of population
New Zealand 5.5 deaths per million of population
Singapore 6.5 deaths per million of population
Indonesia 14.4 deaths per million of population
Germany 112 deaths per million of population
Canada 227 deaths per million of population.

I've been tracking the mortalities per 100k of total population so here is the hard data (with a few extras added). The ones in RED either didn't lock down or have had trouble maintaining them.

China 0.322 (with a big question mark over the accuracy of the numbers)
Malaysia 0.374
Australia 0.408
Singapore 0.444
NZ 0.456
Indonesia 1.073
India 1.293
Greece 1.842
Argentina 2.989
Global Average 6.657
Germany 10.815
Armenia 15.288
Mexico 21.538 (only had 3 weeks of full lockdown)
Canada 22.826
Ecuador 25.937 (the real number of deaths is estimated to be much higher than the official figures)
Brazil 28.563
Peru 29.904
Chile 30.095
Ireland 35.198 (they did go into partial lockdown but delayed a fuller one)
Netherlands 35.676USA 39.505
France 45.748
Italy 57.537 (locked down but way too late)
United Kingdom 64.676 (also too late to the party frankly)
Belgium 84.162

Cheers
Russ

[XR Martin]

US had 120k more deaths from March to May this year than the same time last year.

Less than 100k were officially attributed to covid.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

It's complicated. I've answered this a few times now and am getting sick of repeating myself.

Anyone who wants to "judge" sweden first has to understand WHY they did what they did. Then you need to wait until the final whistle. It is still far too early to conclude whether they failed or succeeded.

The guy who designed Sweden's response does not agree with your opinion. He has had death threats and uses bodyguards when out in public.

Don't wiss off Vikings!

Originally Posted by Work Horse

https://www.livescience.com/results-...-response.html

The epidemiologist who led Sweden's controversial COVID-19 response, which did not involve a strict lockdown, now says that the country should have done more to stop the spread of the virus, according to news reports.

"If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of the Public Health Agency of Sweden, told Swedish Radio on June 3, according to Reuters.

[Franco Cozzo]

Here's an interesting side effect of COVID19

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...virus/12344472

[Citroënbender]

Unsurprising, comrade. I’ve been musing over a related effect of “The Swedish Model” of response to Coronavirus and that is, it hasn’t seemed to fuel the same distrust, alienation and divisiveness within their social fabric as we - and other countries - continue to experience.