XR8 vs SSV including dyno test - Page 13

mtbkym01 · 24-01-2015, 07:42 AM

It's funny how these reviews all sound the same, 1 was written that mentioned the "interior refinement" of the red car, and almost every other review jumps on the same thing.........Boring!

graphicgoose · 24-01-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

It's funny how these reviews all sound the same, 1 was written that mentioned the "interior refinement" of the red car, and almost every other review jumps on the same thing.........Boring!

Yeah...coz I'm sure they're all incapable of coming to the same conclusion themselves just by actually sitting in the cars and deciding which they like better and why. I'm sure they just read the other articles and just run with what they've said...heaven forbid they all actually come to the same conclusion independently, which would actually show consistency. The interior is better and more refined, deal with it.

Whitey-AMG · 24-01-2015, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CQB-241

Another comparo between performance cars which focusses on interior refinement and finesse against grunt and soundtrack. Why buy a V8 at all if more concerned about these points than visceral grunt. With these criteria we should be buying plush interior cars with small engines......oh yeah, that's what we will be stuck with soon regardless of desire.

Can't wait for my XR8. Uncivilized Silhouette manual at that!

The SSV is slower, granted.
However its not miles behind in performance. 5.2. V. 5.7 to the ton is hardly "slow".
The XR8 advantage is in a straight line. That's it.
Every other test shows a clear advantage in chassis and handling performance to the SSV. Its quicker round the same track.

As a conclusion :
XR8 = muscle car. All brawn and no brains
SSV = performance car. Good all rounder.

And I hate to say this, and its only my personal opinion, and holds no weight to the argument at hand....but the SSV looks aesthetically better and more purposeful and a much nicer place to be sitting in. Interior is quite good.
I guess that's all to be expected considering the coin thrown at each car.

mtbkym01 · 24-01-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Yeah...coz I'm sure they're all incapable of coming to the same conclusion themselves just by actually sitting in the cars and deciding which they like better and why. I'm sure they just read the other articles and just run with what they've said...heaven forbid they all actually come to the same conclusion independently, which would actually show consistency. The interior is better and more refined, deal with it.

Which makes the soulless SS-V the better car, you win!

Except I win, coz I chose the car I like better, which is what matters to me. Remember this thread started with a review that actually gave the win for the real world experience to the XR8, funny how the owners of the SS-V keep linking to the same review outcomes to discredit this one, so this review is wrong, and the reviews for the SS-V are right?

Enjoy your soulless car, I know I'm gonna enjoy mine with heaps of soul....DEAL WITH THAT!

DanielXR8 · 24-01-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

Which makes the soulless SS-V the better car, you win!

Except I win, coz I chose the car I like better, which is what matters to me. Remember this thread started with a review that actually gave the win for the real world experience to the XR8, funny how the owners of the SS-V keep linking to the same review outcomes to discredit this one, so this review is wrong, and the reviews for the SS-V are right?

Enjoy your soulless car, I know I'm gonna enjoy mine with heaps of soul....DEAL WITH THAT!

You like your car, good for you. You've won an argument in your own mind, no one else was engaged in. Good for you. Now get outside and drive the car. Because like the SS-V owner you have one of the last Australian built cars.

mtbkym01 · 24-01-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

You like your car, good for you. You've won an argument in your own mind, no one else was engaged in. Good for you. Now get outside and drive the car. Because like the SS-V owner you have one of the last Australian built cars.

Dont worry I will be out there driving it, when I get it

Good for me

You know what's really sad, is that I agree that the SS-V is a good car, and that all of us are having the choice taken away from us, but I'm getting quite sick of the degrading of what is the last Aussie V8 from Ford, the company which arguably has had the most legendary V8's in this country in it's history, but those who seem to take delight in pointing out it's flaws should really be ashamed of themselves, because all to soon, the choice wont even be there.

So instead of flogging the dead horse, maybe everyone should just get on with not only enjoying their cars, but also enjoying what the other has to offer, because surely everyone can agree that these 2 cars are poles apart in what they offer their driver. I chose the thrill of the XR8 over the finesse and compliance of the SS-V.

CQB-241 · 24-01-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

Which makes the soulless SS-V the better car, you win!

Except I win, coz I chose the car I like better, which is what matters to me. Remember this thread started with a review that actually gave the win for the real world experience to the XR8, funny how the owners of the SS-V keep linking to the same review outcomes to discredit this one, so this review is wrong, and the reviews for the SS-V are right?

Enjoy your soulless car, I know I'm gonna enjoy mine with heaps of soul....DEAL WITH THAT!

I wouldn't say the SSV is soulless, any car that talks to you when driving has a soul. I absolutely know that for me that there are plenty of sources of refinement but not many of excitement in EVERYDAY cars.

If you want superb handling, excitement in real world speeds, nice interior, engaging soundtrack when revved and a better price point get a MX5....the NC is still brilliant 9 years in. If after a large Australian sedan with those points you sacrifice the handling, real world excitement and soundtrack with sub-SSV Redline Commos, you pay a only a little less (in the real world they discount the Holden rather than gouge you) and lose the soundtrack in the Redline and you have the older interior without the racetrack chassis in the XR8.

Bonus with the FGX XR8 is you can pop the bonnet and show your mates, you'll be welcome at cruises and events that no Commo will get near as no one will have seen a FGX let alone an XR8 and no one with any sense in a Chev-badged stock Commo (oops, major contradiction) is going to try you at the lights.

graphicgoose · 24-01-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

The SSV is slower, granted.
However its not miles behind in performance. 5.2. V. 5.7 to the ton is hardly "slow".
The XR8 advantage is in a straight line. That's it.
Every other test shows a clear advantage in chassis and handling performance to the SSV. Its quicker round the same track.

As a conclusion :
XR8 = muscle car. All brawn and no brains
SSV = performance car. Good all rounder.

And I hate to say this, and its only my personal opinion, and holds no weight to the argument at hand....but the SSV looks aesthetically better and more purposeful and a much nicer place to be sitting in. Interior is quite good.
I guess that's all to be expected considering the coin thrown at each car.

Summed up nicely exactly what my point is and what all the journos are saying.

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Originally Posted by mtbkym01

Which makes the soulless SS-V the better car, you win!

Except I win, coz I chose the car I like better, which is what matters to me. Remember this thread started with a review that actually gave the win for the real world experience to the XR8, funny how the owners of the SS-V keep linking to the same review outcomes to discredit this one, so this review is wrong, and the reviews for the SS-V are right?

Enjoy your soulless car, I know I'm gonna enjoy mine with heaps of soul....DEAL WITH THAT!

Wow...hit a nerve much? I haven't once attacked any ones purchase or choice in vehicle. Ducati riders used to (maybe still do to an extent) call other motorbikes soulless because they were more refined and reliable than their more expensive Italian bikes...they insisted the noise and looks gave the bike character, and I agree, Ducatis do have character and sound horn, but that doesn't make them a better daily commuter or all rounder. You like the XR8 better, sick...that doesn't make it the better all round car, just the better car for you.

Out of the 4 or so XR8 vs SSV Redline comparisons that have been done recently the Redline has won around 3 different tracks with 3 different drivers. In all of the reviews the Redline was defined as having the much better interior and tech. In all reviews the Redline won on road noise and build quality (most reviews commented on the fact the XR8 already had interior rattles...something my GT had well within the 8 months I owned it). In all but 1 review the Redline was deemed the better balanced/more comfortable car for the road. In all reviews the XR8 was deemed faster in a straight line and to have more power and noise. In all the reviews they stated the Redline handled better and was a better all round package.

I'm not saying the XR8 is crap car by any stretch, as the power and straight line (and mods) potential for what you pay is fantastic. But lets not forget this thread is about comparing the two, hence why we're discussing each cars flaws and strong points, that's part and parcel of a comparison.

arronm · 24-01-2015, 12:43 PM

Thats true goose, when I drive my SSV, not, one bang rattle or squeak. Its a far cry from the white thing you had.... HA HA.

Although after driving my typhoon yesterday, gee the redline is lacking in power.

I6DOHC · 24-01-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Summed up nicely exactly what my point is and what all the journos are saying.
In all reviews the Redline won on road noise and build quality (most reviews commented on the fact the XR8 already had interior rattles...something my GT had well within the 8 months I owned it).

I've had my FG MKII nearly 3 years & it's still a great place to be when driving, no perceptible rattles/creaks other than the occasional squeak from the drivers seat...so I am pretty happy with that. Obviously it will vary on a case by case basis and you can only get an indication from one case in a review. You'd hope they'd be keeping the QC on the FGX to the same level of FG (hopefully better).

With all of the perceived criticism on the Falcon's interior...it's worth noting the VF has it's own issues in the real world....there's a few pages of related information:

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...s-1-print.html

XR Martin · 24-01-2015, 01:18 PM

Drove one of the VF SV6 w/40k kms at work yesterday and there were rattles coming from one of the passenger doors. I actually thought one of the doors wasnt shut properly.

In saying that the dozens of late model Falcon and Commodores that ive driven are pretty good regarding rattles, certainly no worse than a Camry/Aurion and better than Korean stuff.
The I30s/Elantras at work are shocking, worse than my EL.

graphicgoose · 24-01-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Thats true goose, when I drive my SSV, not, one bang rattle or squeak. Its a far cry from the white thing you had.... HA HA.

Although after driving my typhoon yesterday, gee the redline is lacking in power.

Haha yeah, definitely. I think generally when the doors rattle on the VF's I've heard it's usually from poor tint install practices breaking clips etc. Either way, mine's quiet as a church mouse.

LOL, yeah but you're comparing a fairly stock car (comparatively) to a highly modified one...so naturally the Redline will feel lacking in power by comparison dude! 400rwkw with your Heartbeat blower will feel FAST, especially with the crazy torque they make with that setup.

mtbkym01 · 24-01-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Wow...hit a nerve much? I haven't once attacked any ones purchase or choice in vehicle. Ducati riders used to (maybe still do to an extent) call other motorbikes soulless because they were more refined and reliable than their more expensive Italian bikes...they insisted the noise and looks gave the bike character, and I agree, Ducatis do have character and sound horn, but that doesn't make them a better daily commuter or all rounder. You like the XR8 better, sick...that doesn't make it the better all round car, just the better car for you.

Out of the 4 or so XR8 vs SSV Redline comparisons that have been done recently the Redline has won around 3 different tracks with 3 different drivers. In all of the reviews the Redline was defined as having the much better interior and tech. In all reviews the Redline won on road noise and build quality (most reviews commented on the fact the XR8 already had interior rattles...something my GT had well within the 8 months I owned it). In all but 1 review the Redline was deemed the better balanced/more comfortable car for the road. In all reviews the XR8 was deemed faster in a straight line and to have more power and noise. In all the reviews they stated the Redline handled better and was a better all round package.

I'm not saying the XR8 is crap car by any stretch, as the power and straight line (and mods) potential for what you pay is fantastic. But lets not forget this thread is about comparing the two, hence why we're discussing each cars flaws and strong points, that's part and parcel of a comparison.

Sorry for how my post came across, but I've certainly noticed a "vibe" from your posts that the XR8 is crap, compared to the SS-V, hence my reply. Probably best this thread dies.

johnydep · 24-01-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Haha yeah, definitely. I think generally when the doors rattle on the VF's I've heard it's usually from poor tint install practices breaking clips etc. Either way, mine's quiet as a church mouse....

I had the dreaded door rattle in my new Territory, traced it to the window tint install. Lucky it was organised by the dealer, they sorted it.

I'll never get tint on a new car again. Didn't on my last new purchase, and very glad. Most of the latest cars have a tint/UV screen in the glass.

40RDT · 24-01-2015, 05:04 PM

Those current redline wheels look average at best imo, much prefer the older style ones. Interesting that the SSV has a slightly quicker 0-60 time than the xr8, will make for some interesting stop light battles haha

**PepeLePew** · 24-01-2015, 06:03 PM

Build quality is hit and miss in either blue or red. Mostly hit with the occasional miss. Vastly improved from days of old and just when we're about to get it all right........

In all to me a review is a review. And the Redline deserves to win on most points. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though. I seriously considered a VF SS Redline ute when i got my GS ute. I just couldn't picture it in my driveway and still can't . Interested to see what changes may be coming up. Great this thread settled a bit...a little less sensitivity from both sides, but realizing this is a Ford forum and a little bias is perhaps permitted in that direction, is fair too

The XR8 is what it is, but in the eagle eyes picture, it's the LAST performance Falcon. As a Ford man, while I can ride the fence, it does smart seeing negativity in reviews. As per DanielsXR8's concise post above, we all need to be spending less time worrying about what the journo's say and spending more time soaking up what we have left from either camp. Most of us spend our days driving to work and back from what I've noticed and 5.2 or 5.7 to 100 has little relevance, and I don't recall my daily grind being a racetrack on the flipside (I had a cammed VF SS pull up next to me yesterday at the lights if I wasn't messing around with my tunes I'd have loved to yell out how damn good it sounded). Good days and I'll miss em.

**kypez** · 24-01-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Although after driving my typhoon yesterday, gee the redline is lacking in power.

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Drove my typhoon today. While my SS-V is nice , it doesn't offer the excitement of a fast car..

Just in case we missed it the first time...

What do you have again?

Seriously though, is your car Auto or Manual? How does it hold up with the boost? maybe a topic for another thread though.

Bossxr8 · 24-01-2015, 09:01 PM

LOL at the SS owners trying so hard to defend their choice of car. We get it you like it, you made your point, so please stop clogging this thread with it. Just going round and round in circles.

Also have to LOL at the suggestion Commodore build quality is better than Falcon. Since when?

arronm · 24-01-2015, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Just in case we missed it the first time...

What do you have again?

Seriously though, is your car Auto or Manual? How does it hold up with the boost? maybe a topic for another thread though.

I own many cars.

The point I was making was for a 6.0L the SSV is lacking in power.

What its needs is holden to sort it so it makes 300rwkw.

Holden need to slap on a supercharger to compete with the XR8

burnz · 24-01-2015, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

LOL at the SS owners trying so hard to defend their choice of car. We get it you like it, you made your point, so please stop clogging this thread with it. Just going round and round in circles.

Also have to LOL at the suggestion Commodore build quality is better than Falcon. Since when?

since the AU..

**kypez** · 25-01-2015, 02:08 AM

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since the AU..

Not to go too far off topic, but my BA build quality was far superior to my friends VY... I think the build quality is very similar for both cars. There will always be some misses for both.

burnz · 25-01-2015, 08:37 AM

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Not to go too far off topic, but my BA build quality was far superior to my friends VY... I think the build quality is very similar for both cars. There will always be some misses for both.

the build quality of my VXII murders the ba/bf/fg ...

but it is equal to father in-laws AUII..

by this no rattles, groans, pops and no road noise...

graphicgoose · 25-01-2015, 08:45 AM

Stick your head under the IRS of a VF and an FG/FGX...VF is a completely different beast with respects to the quality. The IRS on my GT was rusted after 8 months, and I know it's not an isolated issue as I've seen other members on here with the same thing.

**kypez** · 25-01-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

the build quality of my VXII murders the ba/bf/fg ...

but it is equal to father in-laws AUII..

by this no rattles, groans, pops and no road noise...

Of course road noise has progressively increased with the advent of lower profile tyres. Same reason the VF SSV will be quieter than the XR8.

Personally, I've seen less things fail on my BA than friends VY's, VX etc. From indicator stalks to fuel filler covers. How many VY's do you see with missing fuel doors?! Poor quality. Thermostat failures, oil cap pressure failures, the list goes on.

My BA was almost rattle free and only developed it after I had to change the central locking motor after 10 years.

**kypez** · 25-01-2015, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Stick your head under the IRS of a VF and an FG/FGX...VF is a completely different beast with respects to the quality. The IRS on my GT was rusted after 8 months, and I know it's not an isolated issue as I've seen other members on here with the same thing.

Do you live near the sea? Let me know after you've had the VF for the same period of time how it's holding up.

graphicgoose · 25-01-2015, 09:34 AM

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Do you live near the sea? Let me know after you've had the VF for the same period of time how it's holding up.

Nah bro, smack bang in the middle of suburbia, same as one of the other guys on here I've seen have the exact same issue.

Bossxr8 · 25-01-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Not to go too far off topic, but my BA build quality was far superior to my friends VY... I think the build quality is very similar for both cars. There will always be some misses for both.

This ^^^^

Anyone who thinks the Commodore has superior build quality is kidding themselves, they both are much the muchness. It all comes down to a particular car, some are perfect, some aren't. Auto manufacturing isn't a perfect science and Ford and Holden use a lot of the same suppliers.

But in terms of engine the I6 is vastly superior to the V6, I don't think there's any doubt about that. No end of oil burning, timing chain wearing Aloytec's. It really is a junk motor.

Bossxr8 · 25-01-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

the build quality of my VXII murders the ba/bf/fg ...

but it is equal to father in-laws AUII..

by this no rattles, groans, pops and no road noise...

One car does not make a pattern. If I use your example then the build quality of BF's must be absolutely perfect, because my dad's BF turbo has been faultless from day one.

Takes more than one car to develop a pattern.

I remember Holden stopping the production line for a few days about 10 years ago because the quality had gotten so bad, and the workers were told this will be permanent in the future if quality doesn't improve, so we are going to spend a few days quality training. Big move at the time as it would have cost them millions in lost revenue. I might do a google search and see if I can find an article about it.

orlandoi · 25-01-2015, 12:04 PM

Hi all,

Been lurking for a while and this is my first post.

Don't know if anyone's posted this link before but this seems to be quite a balance test including both track and on the road. Interesting to see that not all things that are good on the track necessarily translate onto the road, which is where most of our driving occurs.

http://youtu.be/JwbZjzOs8ro

Got mine on order and hopefully when the next allotment is released in mid Feb I'm one of the lucky ones. Can't wait

Cheers, Orlando

stazza · 25-01-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

the build quality of my VXII murders the ba/bf/fg ...

but it is equal to father in-laws AUII..

by this no rattles, groans, pops and no road noise...

What a crock of ****. I got a buddy with a BA XR8 that has a Vortech blower on it with a generic CAPA tune and has done over 120,000kms, burnout comps, drags you name it and still has not had to replace any mechanical parts.

Got another mate with an FG XR8 with 100,000km on the clock, has had a vortech blower on his with a generic tune, stock internals and flogs the absolute crap out of it, it's still fine, all he replaced was diff bushes.

On the other hand I've got mates with commodores with a cold air intake and a cam and no end of problems. Also one only has to go onto any commodore forums and read the list of faults on the VF, it's embarrassing.