VE Launch - LIVE STREAM - Sunday 16th July @ 10.30am - Page 13

BA GT-HO · 16-07-2006, 07:22 PM

$1 Billion and it still looks like a BA...

willow 1 · 16-07-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

$1 Billion and it still looks like a BA...

Yep,so true

Ghiadude · 16-07-2006, 07:27 PM

I think the base model cars will be HO - HUM the ss is putrid but the calais and the stato are very much to my liking. itll sell but not in the nubers weve seen previously. most of these models seem focused on private buyers and not fleets. This has been commodores strength untill now. Time will tell. With regards to fuel economy ... blind freddy could see that was going to suffer from a mile away. BFII better have something substantial up its sleave. those interiors are very european and as others have said look "upmarket" except for ss WTF were they thinking ??? ORANGE???? ewwwwwwwww

WILDTRAKPX2 · 16-07-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Is there a close up picture of that SS dash that shows what the top centre screen is displaying?

Here ya go:

SS Dash Photo

outside · 16-07-2006, 07:30 PM

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Bucknaked · 16-07-2006, 07:35 PM

These are same arguements that the Holdens boys had when ford released the new shape from the AU to the BA. It's predictable. Pity thou. I'd sooner see more holdens on the road, knowing the money is spent on Aussie product, than seeing all these imports on the road.

Bossxr8 · 16-07-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreHPformyXR6

Ford should make the ZF 6 speed standard in BF XR6 MkII & above. Make the ZF6 speed a $1000 option on the XT they would still be cheaper for the punters & the fleets than what the VE will be. Better on fuel & more power than the base model VE & have two extra gears that has to be a selling point.

Have to see what Ford have up there sleeve in regards to this. 6 speed auto further across the range would be a smarter idea.

chich · 16-07-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by anto

looks like a poor mans BF ! nothing new or exciting but I'm sure everyone will lap it up... and as usual, an absolutely atrocious interior..

HAHAHAHAHAHA poor mans BF - yeah no worries mate. If the BF is your epitome of style and grace then something is very very wrong with you.

You call that an atrocious interior? Go sit in a BA/BF for a while and absorb the acres of hard, crap, el-cheapo plastic.

WILDTRAKPX2 · 16-07-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

HAHAHAHAHAHA poor mans BF - yeah no worries mate. If the BF is your epitome of style and grace then something is very very wrong with you.

You call that an atrocious interior? Go sit in a BA/BF for a while and absorb the acres of hard, crap, el-cheapo plastic.

Cheahman · 16-07-2006, 07:51 PM

Looks awesome! I want a SS!

marcosambrose · 16-07-2006, 07:56 PM

i thought id just point out a few downsides to the new VE range.

all this technology and development costs surely will rise the price, by at least $2000 on base models and at least $3000 on calais and SS models. also, why did holden go for optional 20s on the SS? they cost $700 a pop to replace! in addition to this, if the fuel consumption is the same as VZ then its not going to exactly 'boost' sales over long-term is it? if the running costs are higher, if it costs more and if there is no fuel benefit which fleets are going to buy it? in reality its the fleets that keep this company building this car!

Ghiadude · 16-07-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

HAHAHAHAHAHA poor mans BF - yeah no worries mate. If the BF is your epitome of style and grace then something is very very wrong with you.

You call that an atrocious interior? Go sit in a BA/BF for a while and absorb the acres of hard, crap, el-cheapo plastic.

Chich - everyone has there own opinion . dont slag people for theres. I myself would rather have fords "EL CHEAPO" plastics than holdens archaic IRS, crappy 4 speed auto or weezy 3.6 V6. Its easy to hassle an old model ford when a new holden has just lobbed.

blackahcdx · 16-07-2006, 07:57 PM

http://media.smh.com.au/?rid=20389&s...5&flash=0&ie=0

video of ss-v

mmmmmmmmmmmm

blackahcdx · 16-07-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tx3dude

Chich - everyone has there own opinion . dont slag people for theres. I myself would rather have fords "EL CHEAPO" plastics than holdens archaic IRS, crappy 4 speed auto or weezy 3.6 V6. Its easy to hassle an old model ford when a new holden has just lobbed.

the IRS is all replaced with a brand new multi link suspension thats said to be superior to BWM and Mercedes.

Lets hope they have done furtheer improvements to the 4 speed and fixed the V6

Remember, the mor advances Holden make, the more ford make too

HSE2 · 16-07-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackahcdx

the IRS is all replaced with a brand new multi link suspension thats said to be superior to BWM and Mercedes.

Lets hope they have done furtheer improvements to the 4 speed and fixed the V6

Remember, the mor advances Holden make, the more ford make too

Who said that?

I can't believe they STILL don't have a split fold rear seat.

I keep chaning my mind on the SSV. Not sure i like it or not. The Caprice thats different.

Phoon Hoon · 16-07-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackahcdx

the IRS is all replaced with a brand new multi link suspension thats said to be superior to BWM and Mercedes.

That's right - said by Holden media.

I think the new VE looks pretty good, but nothing that I really didn't expect. Not too sure about the flarey wheel arches, but, then again, flares have come back in style, too.

Disagree with anyone who thinks the VE interior is a huge advancement over the BA/BF. Keep in mind we've only seen premium models, which equates to the BF premium ICC. I love the interior of my Phoon, and the whole layout of the premium ICC still looks great and is very practical. We haven't seen the Omega yet (fleet buyers' special) so let's wait and see its cheaper interior before selling our Falcons in disgrace.

Just because the BA is 4 years old, doesn't mean it's dated. Remember that when the BAII and BF were brought out, Ford completed market research and customers wanted very little changed, indicating that the BA got it right the first time.

Holden have lead with their trump cards: the Calais and SSV. No cheap models, no kerb weights, no pricing details and no fuel economy figures. Too early to comment.

HSE2 · 16-07-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shockwave XR8

Here ya go:

SS Dash Photo

Thanks but I haven't been able to get anything out of that site. Keeps telling me there are no files

StookEB · 16-07-2006, 08:23 PM

The car as a whole looks like a elongated Vectra, the front came from an Astra and the whole thing to me looks unrealistic like a concept car, and it's too European looking I can't stand it. IMOA.

ondori · 16-07-2006, 08:24 PM

small rear doors on LWB what going to happen with wagon

blackahcdx · 16-07-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Who said that?

I can't believe they STILL don't have a split fold rear seat.

I keep chaning my mind on the SSV. Not sure i like it or not. The Caprice thats different.

It has been quoted in both wheels and motor

And whats the big deal with the split fold rear seats? i don't get it. I don't know anyone that ever use it. Sure its a nice convienience feature but i would prefer the added strength in the chassis

Bucket · 16-07-2006, 08:26 PM

My Brother who isnt a massive Car Enthusiast but does have a slight favour towards the Falcon had this to say about it after watching the VE launch on the News Tonight...

"The headlights look like a falcon, the rear tail lights look like the 380's but shrunk and there is no consistency with the overall design of the car...there is no real theme to the car, just a bit of everything...the grill and the headlights dont go together and the rear doesnt look like it matches the front of the car "

This left me speachless...by gosh i think he's got it!!!

blackahcdx · 16-07-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ondori

small rear doors on LWB what going to happen with wagon

i hardly call those rear doors small!

And at last the LWB cars get their own LONGER rear doors than the SWB cars.

HSE2 · 16-07-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackahcdx

It has been quoted in both wheels and motor

And whats the big deal with the split fold rear seats? i don't get it. I don't know anyone that ever use it. Sure its a nice convienience feature but i would prefer the added strength in the chassis

Ah oh sorry I missed those drive impressions. Which editions?

Well it’s a question of when is an opening useful enough. If you go to the trouble of a large ski port you may as well have gone for the flexibility offered by seat luggage options. I use it all the time. Extremely handy imo and an oversight by Holden when today the large car needs to be as flexible as possible. You will find the Falcon has more strength in the rear bulkhead then the commodore. It's for this reason.

blackahcdx · 16-07-2006, 08:35 PM

yeah i guess ur right, i get the flexibility thing. just reckon they do it to reduce chassi flex.

WHO KNOWS?!

maybe they should do a live chat with them so me can ask them these questions :p

Whitey-AMG · 16-07-2006, 08:35 PM

Well, after seeing more of the new Holden and different spec as well, CALAIS, SS etc, I reckon HOLDEN have done well. The car looks great and modern. It is certainly an advancement over the current V series.

I hope it sells real well.........good for keeping FORD on their toes and hopefully the next gen FALCON will also be a leap ahead of the current B series as well.

WILDTRAKPX2 · 16-07-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Thanks but I haven't been able to get anything out of that site. Keeps telling me there are no files

Here Ian, I have downloaded it and edited it to reduce file size etc.:

chich · 16-07-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tx3dude

Chich - everyone has there own opinion . dont slag people for theres. I myself would rather have fords "EL CHEAPO" plastics than holdens archaic IRS, crappy 4 speed auto or weezy 3.6 V6. Its easy to hassle an old model ford when a new holden has just lobbed.

There's a difference between having an opinion and making a completely idiotic statements such as "the VE is a poor mans BF". Statements like that only serve to confirm that some people are as stupid as a horse with blinkers.

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klawsterfobik · 16-07-2006, 08:42 PM

i like how the radio stations that you've programmed in come up above their selected buttons... and i think that dash will look really good with a Silver SS.

That centre console looks a whole lot like my sisters old VZ

settle down you two, so far we've had a good discussion on a topic that usually turns to **** after 10 posts.

blackahcdx · 16-07-2006, 08:43 PM

Look closley at that pic, the VE Has a FLICK KEY.

I like the fact they all (except Omega) come with bluetooth as standard and the button for it is on the steering wheel!

HOON69 · 16-07-2006, 08:44 PM

im liking the concept of it,overall its a 7/10 from me

will take time to grow on me i guess.